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underpants

(182,885 posts)
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:03 PM Aug 2012

So Harry Reid pulled a Fox News "some people say" trick

and Mitt says "Put up or shut up"...well Mitt that is the whole point

SHOW US YOUR PAPERS

I love this. I know Reid shouldn't have done that but I think it is hilarious that they are having their tactics turned around on them

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So Harry Reid pulled a Fox News "some people say" trick (Original Post) underpants Aug 2012 OP
Dane Bash backs what he said with her own sources. So it is up to him to put up or shut up. southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #1
Nope. Dana Bash has a source who says someone told Harry Reid that. dkf Aug 2012 #3
Oh I read something different. But Mittens said he paid alot of taxes. Well many southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #5
Mitt may not be paying income taxes. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #9
Yes that is what I mean. Everyone pays taxes every time we buy something. He is choosing what southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #11
If that is going to be Mitt's fallback position, I doubt if it will wash... CTyankee Aug 2012 #35
Mittens thinks that we are stupid and choosing the right words is his way. southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #42
I find that Harry Reid Aerows Aug 2012 #7
Not exactly. Dana Bash has a source who confirms that Reid's source is coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #36
Time for Romney to stop whining and ... napkinz Aug 2012 #2
Some people say Mitt Romney has 15 wives XemaSab Aug 2012 #4
I heard 2 of them are only 14. Pyrzqxgl Aug 2012 #6
I heard 3 of his wives are sisters meow2u3 Aug 2012 #25
I hear that's really why Jeana Jameson endorsed him. slampoet Aug 2012 #27
I heard drm604 Aug 2012 #28
But has he quit beating his wives? Generic Other Aug 2012 #40
Yeah, word on the street has it Champion Jack Aug 2012 #8
Come on, not cool BSUbluNorange Aug 2012 #20
hah! Except that I think Reid has names and is just Trolling the Romney camp CabCurious Aug 2012 #10
I think so too PatSeg Aug 2012 #13
hah kardonb Aug 2012 #18
Can't lose either way but I think Reid is playing for another round of raising the stakes KurtNYC Aug 2012 #22
Brilliant! David Zephyr Aug 2012 #12
Puhleaze y'all ScarlettOhara Aug 2012 #14
I was told that you need to have 'thick skin' here. nt DocMac Aug 2012 #17
Welcome to DU Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #23
Welcome! drm604 Aug 2012 #29
Yes, the more Romney refuses the more voters want to know Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #31
Who is playing the Repig game? Every day that Mitt does not release his returns is one more day coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #37
Romney is running for president, of course it's political. Avalux Aug 2012 #39
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #15
Ok - just watched the Romney clip of him saying this... nc4bo Aug 2012 #16
Sen. Harry Reid is a Mormon and I believe some of this has to do with hiding funds from the church. TxVietVet Aug 2012 #19
I actually don't think it is tactics quaker bill Aug 2012 #21
It's about time... sendero Aug 2012 #24
Why shouldn't Harry Reid done that? The Rethugs do it every doc03 Aug 2012 #26
Love it too brush Aug 2012 #30
Excellent comment! ProSense Aug 2012 #33
And therein lies Mitten's problem... Volaris Aug 2012 #34
I'm holding out for literal fisticuffs on the Convention floor between coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #38
"...the Zen apotheosis of Chicago '68." Volaris Aug 2012 #46
LOL brush Aug 2012 #44
hahahaha Volaris Aug 2012 #45
Good post Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #32
This is exactly what the Dems should be doing. morningfog Aug 2012 #41
Jon Stewart agrees with you, bvar22 Aug 2012 #43
 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
5. Oh I read something different. But Mittens said he paid alot of taxes. Well many
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:32 PM
Aug 2012

people pay alot of taxes.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. Mitt may not be paying income taxes.
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:16 PM
Aug 2012

If he were paying income taxes, he would produce something showing he pays them. He may be taking all his income in capital gains or be taking advantage of some other loophole that permits him to enjoy his millions without paying the kinds of taxes that "little people" pay.

Remember Leona Helmsley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leona_Helmsley

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
11. Yes that is what I mean. Everyone pays taxes every time we buy something. He is choosing what
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:29 PM
Aug 2012

words he is using.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
35. If that is going to be Mitt's fallback position, I doubt if it will wash...
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:07 AM
Aug 2012

people are going to wonder who he thinks we are, if we are stupid enough to accept that "answer."

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
7. I find that Harry Reid
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:45 PM
Aug 2012

and Dana Bash back this source far more credible than anything that ever came out of Mitt Romney's mouth. His shoe is about the only thing that comes out of Romney's mouth these days, and that's because he put his foot in there.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
36. Not exactly. Dana Bash has a source who confirms that Reid's source is
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:16 AM
Aug 2012

"highly credible". So it's not mere hearsay, but 'highly credible' hearsay, acc. to Reid and acc. to Bash's source.

Still hearsay but of a little higher quality than run-of-the-mill type. And Romney still, STILL, has not released his returns.

What does Romney have to hide?

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
4. Some people say Mitt Romney has 15 wives
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:31 PM
Aug 2012

I don't think we should have a president who is a polygamist. I think Mitt should prove that he doesn't have 15 wives.

CabCurious

(954 posts)
10. hah! Except that I think Reid has names and is just Trolling the Romney camp
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:23 PM
Aug 2012

I sincerely believe Reid has some dirt and knows some media insiders have access, too.

He knew that Romney wouldn't resist trying to go on offense with this, putting it back in the headlines for several days. THEN, Reid probably knew a few media insiders would begin sniffing their own stories to keep the topic alive for another week.

The bottom line is that the Romney campaign is a disaster.

PatSeg

(47,608 posts)
13. I think so too
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:42 PM
Aug 2012

Harry Reid is not the type of person to throw something out there without justification. A story coming from him has to be really intimidating to the Romney camp. If Reid is bluffing, he has a great poker face.

Meanwhile, toying with Romney seems to bring Reid great pleasure. The burden of proof now lies with the candidate.

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
18. hah
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:40 PM
Aug 2012

I don't think Harry Reid would have said what he did if he did not have pretty good facts to back him up . He is not known for just shooting off his mouth .

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
22. Can't lose either way but I think Reid is playing for another round of raising the stakes
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:23 PM
Aug 2012

brilliantly

Another twist in this: Reid is a Mormon convert.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid#Personal_life

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
12. Brilliant!
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:34 PM
Aug 2012

"Some people say..." And then Roger Ailes builds a three day non-stop "news" cycle around it.

Brillian, underpants! I love it.

Good for Senator Reid!

ScarlettOhara

(25 posts)
14. Puhleaze y'all
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:55 PM
Aug 2012

This is simple. No politics. No questions about Reid's motivations. No mention of "Well, the Repukes do it, too." No mention of Obama's birth certificate. None of that endless, tedious talk is necessary.
This is a simple matter of Romney merely doing what all Presidential candidates do when they run.
The comparison is that of a soldier or government employee getting a Top Secret clearance. In that case, tax returns are reviewed. That's all.

If there is anything political about this issue at all, it is the stupendous, dunderheaded blunder that Romney exhibited by not releasing his returns earlier in the first place.
So, stop talkin' around the issue. It's simple. Releasing tax returns is a minimum requirement for running for President.
Stop playing the Repuke game. Make it simple.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
37. Who is playing the Repig game? Every day that Mitt does not release his returns is one more day
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:20 AM
Aug 2012

I get to ask everywhere I can: "What is Mtit Romney hiding?"

Every day that Mitt does not release his returns make his look more and more shifty and less and less presidential.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
39. Romney is running for president, of course it's political.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:35 AM
Aug 2012

Are you naive enough to believe that simple asking Romney to release his returns because it's a minimum requirement would be effective?

Any comparisons of this issue to the birthers, or using Republican tactics is faulty as you've pointed out, but what what Reid has done is quite brilliant, putting the burden of proof on Romney. It ensures the issue remains an albatross around Romney's neck, until he complies. But if he does comply, then what's revealed may be even more damaging to Romney.

It's THAT simple.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
16. Ok - just watched the Romney clip of him saying this...
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:08 PM
Aug 2012

He's got that weird laugh as he's talking about his tax returns and he pays a lot of taxes. I can't remember who noticed that uncomfortable laugh but they are right, it's there.

Romney seemed really irate - in his speech and his body language.

If he's faking his reactions, he's doing a really good job. This guy is strung tight and I love it!

Waiting for Mittens to go totally

TxVietVet

(1,905 posts)
19. Sen. Harry Reid is a Mormon and I believe some of this has to do with hiding funds from the church.
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:54 PM
Aug 2012

It is said that if Reid leads a story, it's true. So, Willard, buck up.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/08/01/harry-reid-gives-mitt-hell/



Read it and weep, Willard-with-the-magic-panties.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
21. I actually don't think it is tactics
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:07 PM
Aug 2012

My impression is that Harry Reid does not roll like that. If it was Alan Grayson, I would say tactics were in play, because he is a risk taker with a sense for courtroom drama.

Given it is coming from Reid, I would say that as usual, he is underplaying his hand. He probably knows it is a dozen years if not 20.

He can't say how he knows or put up evidence if he has it from official sources. This is the gambit Rmoney is playing, the "show me how you know and we will start an investigation on your source of confidential info" trick. He wants to divert the scandal onto the leak rather than the info.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
24. It's about time...
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 07:53 AM
Aug 2012

... we started playing the same kind of hardball they have been for decades. This is a mere toe in the water of what could be done.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
26. Why shouldn't Harry Reid done that? The Rethugs do it every
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 08:05 AM
Aug 2012

day, it's about time a Democrat gives them a little of their own medicine. Some people say
Mittons stole $100 million when he was governor of Massachusetts. Some people say Mittons
wears a rug.

brush

(53,871 posts)
30. Love it too
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 09:46 AM
Aug 2012

Great post. I only disagree on the part of whether Harry Reid should have done it. I think he knew exactly what he was doing and I'm glad he did it. This is for the presidency, it's hardball politics and Rmoney is not entitled to go unexamined tax-wise like he thinks he should be. He's not any different than all the other candidates that have released several years of taxes. I know he feels a sense of entitlement about everything else but he's not getting to the White House without this bit of transparency.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
34. And therein lies Mitten's problem...
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:02 AM
Aug 2012

He's not getting into the White House WITH that transparency, either. He's about to be fucked like a paid-for Porn Star, and he damn-well knows it. I think the GOP, as a Party, is beginning to catch wise to this fact, too. Tampa will be a laugh-riot to watch.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
38. I'm holding out for literal fisticuffs on the Convention floor between
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:26 AM
Aug 2012

the Romney-bots and the Paulite Whackos. If not that, at least one or two publicly uttered ''Fucking Mormons" and "Fucking Whackjobs". Civility and decorum is not their strong suit.

OMG, it's like the Zen apotheosis of Chicago '68.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
46. "...the Zen apotheosis of Chicago '68."
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:22 AM
Aug 2012

That is awesome. What a fantastic description of what is about to happen to them.

brush

(53,871 posts)
44. LOL
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:54 PM
Aug 2012

I love your phrasing . . . "WITH that transparency, either. He's about to be fucked like a paid-for Porn Star." Your words definitely conjure up some imagery.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
45. hahahaha
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:20 AM
Aug 2012


I'll say this for DU...ALL of the people here can understand a turn of phrase and "colorful metaphors", even if some of them express their distaste for such, ...shall we say....non-standard language?

Thanks for not minding, and I like not having to pull punches linguistics-wise. Sometimes, it's the only accurate way to convey the context of actual reality.

And do stock up on popcorn for Tampa. I think we're going to enjoy the show.
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
41. This is exactly what the Dems should be doing.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:53 AM
Aug 2012

And when they win again, they need to railroad legislation through. They must play dirty to be effective.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
43. Jon Stewart agrees with you,
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:09 PM
Aug 2012

...and takes his disapproval of these tactics a little farther.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-1-2012/you--harry-reid--are-terrible




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