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in terms of hatred. In other words, is there a significant overlap, say 60% or so, of people that are both homophobic and racist.
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elleng
(131,202 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,097 posts)It also leads to misogyny, hatred of other religions (or lack of), hatred of people with a different philosophy/political persuasion... One will notice that when a person hates one of these groups, the almost always hate all of them. Anyone who is somehow different...
elleng
(131,202 posts)part of the human condition, I'm afraid.
valerief
(53,235 posts)And to hate people who don't hate people of color nor people of gay.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)they look for confirmation and acceptance of their hatred. I often think if they did not have people of color and gay to hate, then they would find something else to hate.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)they have to hate something. LGBT and race are easy targets.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)to hate so much. But somehow they find a way to it more miserable for others. It pisses me off.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...is that gay haters will generally take the position that sexuality is a matter of choice, whereas race is not. This viewpoint allows them a degree of moral comfort in that they deny they are motivated by some immutable characteristic of the object of their hate.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)And their panic over their loss of power.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)they hate the N in office.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)Fear and loathing of The Outsider - anyone who can be placed into a slot based upon differences real or imagined.
Otherness is for real, and plays out across races, genders, sexualities...
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It's all connected--anyone not deemed ubermensch is fair game. Gotta assert dominance.
FreeState
(10,585 posts)Absolutely - anything that threatens the power structure is connected.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Also misogynistic. I would never say otherwise.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Exhibit A: Sarah Palin. Exhibit B: Michele Bachmann. Exhibit C: Ann Coulter. etc.
All homophobes, all racists, all misogynists. Religion is poison.
Raster
(20,998 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I think most true homophobia is based on the shame of unacknowledged same sex attraction.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)hate them. Some are probably not even aware of their attraction.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Add misogyny in there too. Generally religious, because most religions teach "them vs. us" mindsets.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)"them vs. us" mindsets in religions. It gets a little mind boggling after awhile. All this supposed love they profess, but oops, that's only for us, not them over there. It's sooo divisional.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)I guess I'll look at our President, he doesn't appear to be racist or sexist but by his own admission he was bigoted against LGBTs
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Freddie
(9,275 posts)I think that's where the President's admitted past homophobia comes from and explains his previous reluctance to endorse marriage equality
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Or we don't know, we know who you are, and God bless you, we love you anyway despite the fact that you are essentially telling us that we don't deserve human rights.
We love you anyway, because love is the only way to get over hatred. Darkness cannot over come darkness, only light can do that. Hatred cannot overcome hatred, only love can do that.
I have to add that only understanding and acceptance can overcome intolerance and rage. Intolerance and rage never built a single hospital, never raised a single crop in the field. It never made a work of beauty.
I felt the need to paraphrase MLK during this time of people hating on people like me, simply because I like girls. Hating on me, despising my sisters and brothers will not accomplish one single thing in this world. Standing beside us, wanting to make something, can create miracles.
tf.gray
(3 posts)Yes, according to research done by Dr Bob Altmeyer, which you can read here: www.theauthoritarians.com
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)lot to read but its already making sense
Authoritarian followers usually support the established authorities in their
society, such as government officials and traditional religious leaders. Such people
have historically been the proper authorities in life, the time-honored, entitled,
customary leaders, and that means a lot to most authoritarians. Psychologically these
followers have personalities featuring:
1) a high degree of submission to the established, legitimate authorities in
their society;
2) high levels of aggression in the name of their authorities; and
3) a high level of conventionalism.
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RKP5637
(67,112 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Yes. The commonality is marginalizing the "other"
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Anthropomorphism?
pampango
(24,692 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I think it is higher than 60%. However, I got to see a very ugly thing. Black pastors that said they marched for civil rights in the 60's saying they didn't do it so gay people could get married. They are adamantly opposed to gay marriage. So, I think they are homophobic. I don't know if they are racist or not. They are very likely misogynistic, but they didn't talk about their views toward women so I don't know for sure. What is certain is that the mechanism that allows a person to hate gay people is the same one that would allow a person to hate someone that is another race or to hate women having equality. There is also a connection to people larger amygdalas being more likely to become bigots and homophobic.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)people are predestined toward hatred.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)First off... let's not kid ourselves... everyone in this country is racist. To some degree or another, we've all been raised in a cultural stew of racism. Now, how we respond to this fact is telling. So are actively racists, others try to pretend they aren't, and then there are those who are actively anti-racist. Plenty of overlap between these groups.
Homophobia's roots are in sexism - every homophobe you meet is also going to be sexist, it's an absolute guarantee. After all, Homophobia is based on "proper" gender roles and behavior.
So is there major overlap between sexists / homophobes, and the openly / latently racist sorts of people? I really don't have data. But I WOULD make a guess that people who are okay with hating someone on basis of sex, orientation, or race probably isn't going to be squeamish about hating people from any of those groups.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)"we've all been raised in a cultural stew of racism. Now, how we respond to this fact is telling." So did the rest of your reply.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Initech
(100,108 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Initech
(100,108 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)a constitutional amendment in North Carolina against marriage equality weren't all white.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)support another's quest for civil rights and openly defies their quest for civil rights.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Capable of both good and bad.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)impressed.
Ignorance + Hate = well you know.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)think some are, they've just got to hate. And then for many, I think it's conditioned behavior. Whatever, it all gets pretty disgusting and it seems significantly on the rise in America.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I really have no idea. I know some folks shock me... like a camp survivor, who really thought blacks were inferior... it was... kind of jarring. I mean, after being in a concentration camp and living through that horror it made little to no sense.
So perhaps there is some to nature. After all, we are animals (I know heads are exploding), and we need to look at the group for protection and might see those outside the group, the herd, as a threat to food and water. We also know chimps go to war, as in real full on war...
For the record, I would hope it is not in the genes, because then it could be overcome.
Sorry for a non white and black answer.
begin_within
(21,551 posts)Separating humankind into 2 groups based on one criterium.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)Misogyny.
Thats how/why I began dealing with my " southern upbringing" scratch a racist, find a misogynist. Same goes for homophobic assh@les.
They're all tied together. The common root? White - supposedly heterosexual- male. The white capialist supremacist patriarchy is alive and well in amurhka. although to be fair, it's not just white males who are homophobic and misogynistic.
I could give you the whole dissertation on male/female, black/whie dynamics (and other minorities)' but bottom Line, the "alliances" that form ultimately support one dominant group.
Care to guess who they are?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)probably 'the old boys club' I bet!
mzteris
(16,232 posts)That is THE dominant group. ('cept you left out white old boys . . .)
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Behind the Aegis
(54,014 posts)It comes more from the human condition than anything, and is expanded upon by culture and mores. I have personally found that if a person is an actual bigot for one group, then they usually are bigoted against another group as well.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I was at a dinner party, and there was some homophobia and racism peppered into the conversation by a couple of people. The racism was not the worst I have ever heard, but the homophobic comments were some of the worst I have heard in years. But, neither racism or homophobia is okay at a dinner party!!!
So, now I am more inclined to say "yes" there is a connection. I answered "maybe" before I went to the dinner party but now I am seeing the connection.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)opens up one pocket (for lack of a better word) in their brain/personality to intense hatred, it seeps into other (pockets) target groups to display racism/bigotry, etc. toward.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I am in a very socially progressive european country. Gay marriage has been legal here for a while now.
I was kind of shocked.
And yeah, there must be something universal about hatred.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)we had gotten beyond that starting in the 60's, but it's still with us. Bigotry and hatred seem to be often part of the human psyche for some. Since Obama became president, I've been shocked by all of the racism that has come back ... or had been covered up. It always amazes me how hateful and bigoted some people are ...
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I like that you put "60% or so" as it is obviously not 100%.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)each a non-essential characteristic. What is an 'essential' characteristic? One's relationship to the means of production, i.e., you are either an owner (bourgeois) or a worker (proletarian).
The ruling class uses fights over non-essential characteristics like race, gender and sexual orientation to keep the working class divided against itself, to keep the working class from transitioning from a class 'in itself' to a class 'for itself' (rough iteration of V.I. Lenin's formulation).