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egbertowillies

(4,058 posts)
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 12:38 PM Jun 2018

Bill Maher & panel excoriate Democrats for ineptitude to slam Republicans' for their bad act (VIDEO)

Bill Maher was on point with his panelist as they made the point clearly how inept the Democratic Establishment has been in codifying the attack portion of their messaging that keeps GOP many severe evil acts on the minds of the electorate.

Many, balk when one criticizes ourselves. We should not we should listen to critiques and do something about it.

The statements made by Bill Maher and John Heilemann may upset some. But if you love the Democratic Party and want Democrats to win, it is something we better address quickly. I try to do it in my sphere but we need it done not only from the Democratic Establishment but in many of our own spheres of influence.

https://egbertowillies.com/2018/06/11/bill-maher-panel-excoriate-dems-gop-acts/

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Bill Maher & panel excoriate Democrats for ineptitude to slam Republicans' for their bad act (VIDEO) (Original Post) egbertowillies Jun 2018 OP
Sigh... it's as if we exist mainly to be punching bags for everyone else. Initech Jun 2018 #1
"As private parts to the gods are we, they play with us for their sport!" - Lord Melchett TheBlackAdder Jun 2018 #6
It's true TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #2
Learn how to use commas please, because that right there is a mess. bettyellen Jun 2018 #3
This is why Democrats are so adept at losing elections budkin Jun 2018 #4
a million per cent jodymarie aimee Jun 2018 #5
Truth hueymahl Jun 2018 #7
They earned it. shanny Jun 2018 #8
It's more effective BECAUSE it's coming from other Republicans Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2018 #11
Very true, and it is best not to interrupt an enemy when he's making a mistake. shanny Jun 2018 #14
There seems to be a recurring conflict regarding NY_20th Jun 2018 #9
This is the truth, we have Dems doing both- and many claiming they aren't doing one or the other. bettyellen Jun 2018 #13
Can we say that this is also a media issue?? RockaFowler Jun 2018 #10
DeNiro and other non-politicians can get away with saying stuff like that Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2018 #12
 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
2. It's true
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 12:40 PM
Jun 2018

To a large degree.

But they have to be careful as well. Lots of places are still 'swing' districts/states and need a less brash approach.

Tightrope walking.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
3. Learn how to use commas please, because that right there is a mess.
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 12:46 PM
Jun 2018

Aside from that, it’s sloppy and repetitive. You could
Actually easily edit it down to two sentences max, instead of trying to impress people w so many adjectives.

I have to be honest, that writing is so rough and sloppy it’s kind of funny you’re attempting to influence communicators. And hadn’t you done a piece on how the Dems have to “do more than run against Trump”?

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
8. They earned it.
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 01:06 PM
Jun 2018

Who are the most vocal and effective of tRump's many critics right now? Other Republicans.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
11. It's more effective BECAUSE it's coming from other Republicans
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 01:32 PM
Jun 2018

It would just be seen as "partisan bickering" if it were coming more from Democrats. I agree that Democrats should be more vocal but Trump/Republicans are largely making things worse for themselves on their own and Democrats almost don't really need to say much other than what they're going to do for the American public that Trump/Republicans aren't. I'm sure that there's not a Democrat alive whom doesn't think that Trump is an utterly incompetent boob (my apologies to other boobs). It's just so blatant and obvious that it almost doesn't need to be said. It almost doesn't matter whether journos are outright saying negative things about Trump either, because the news largely speaks for itself and most people paying attention can plainly see that Trump is a mess.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
14. Very true, and it is best not to interrupt an enemy when he's making a mistake.
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 03:12 PM
Jun 2018

otoh, letting tRump set the narrative on witch hunts, deep state, mueller, FBI, former intelligence officials et al is a bad move We know the asshole is making it up as he goes, but who among the general public does if our side doesn't dispute it?

 

NY_20th

(1,028 posts)
9. There seems to be a recurring conflict regarding
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 01:13 PM
Jun 2018

the Democratic messaging.

Some want more focus on Trump and how destructive and deplorable he is.

Others want more focus on jobs and health care.

It's quite possible to focus on both, and most Democratic leaders to.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
13. This is the truth, we have Dems doing both- and many claiming they aren't doing one or the other.
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 02:32 PM
Jun 2018

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
10. Can we say that this is also a media issue??
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jun 2018

It is the job of the media to tell the audience when someone is lying. They don't. They continue to use words that say things like he doesn't have all of the facts.

Or maybe once the media would stop with the what-about-isms. Democrats have never done even 1/8 of what Trump has done and never get away with it with the media. Trump changes his stories so fast and they don't call him out.

So when a Democrat mentions something is a lie, the media has to put a Trumpian on to blast said Democrat. WHY? Why not just have the Democrat on to tell the truth. There is no need for a Trumpian to come on to say anything at this point. If you think he's telling the truth then debate that. But no, Repukes and Trumpians (one and the same right now) just like to belittel their opponents. This is why I love what DeNiro said last night at the Tony's. Fuck Trump!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
12. DeNiro and other non-politicians can get away with saying stuff like that
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 01:34 PM
Jun 2018

Most elected Democrats, especially those in tough districts, can't just outright say stuff like that.

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