..The only difference between Trump and Republicans of the past 20-25 years is that he and his supporters are honest about their positions. There is not an ounce of daylight between what Trump is doing and what Republicans have been trying to do for 25 or more years. The only difference is the honestly.

The fact that this is not being repeated over and over and over and over again by everyone with a D after their name worries me because I'm afraid the minute Trump is gone they'll get some ridiculous notion that they will be back to negotiating with the "adults in the room" or naively think they will suddenly get any kind of cooperation or normalcy from Republicans.

Whenever I see anyone imply that we are going to peel off any "independents" or "disaffected Republicans "I think of the conversation I had with my father in law. He is an "independent", meaning he is not a declared Republican because it makes him feel as though he's somehow better than all the partisans. But he always and without fail votes for every Republican. He despises Trump with every fiber of his being (not enough to vote for Hillary, but still). And when I said to him recently "You hate Trump and every single Republican in office to the number has supported and enabled Trump. Remember that when it comes time to vote." his response was "Well, I don't think they are all supporting him or to blame. They are just in a tough spot."

This is someone who despises and loathes Trump but still refuses to hold the Republican party responsible because that is always how he voted and no matter how "disaffected" he gets, or no matter how many times he says he's an "independent", he is never ever going to vote for a Democrat. So appealing to him and his ilk and putting all our eggs in that basket while alienating Democratic friendly constituents by going after people like him is a fools errand of the highest order, and the people in charge of our party need to stop it ASAP.

We'd be hearing that all is well now, that everything is back to normal. Republicans and the media would be pushing that narrative pretty hard. When, in fact, Pence is crazy.

And Trump is the almost inevitable result of 50 years of Southern Strategy/dog whistling, jingoism, anti-intellectualism, etc. He's a symptom of Republicanism over the last half century.

" The only difference is the honestly. "

And now his 'supporters' are becoming outright HONEST about what they really feel. This will lead to vilence and the deaths of... how many I do not know, but by many means,... from knife stabbings, to shootings, to dying from lack of health care or lack of a job, or lack of hope.

"The fact that this is not being repeated over and over and over and over again....worries me.."

1-That's it'' OH trump is gone. everything is ok. now we have penace the menace or whomever...
2-However, by the time he 'is gone' it will be too late.

" we are going to peel off any "independents" or "disaffected Republicans ...."

right, ain't gonna happen,, oh a few maybe nut,, forget it. By this November's election, I am quite convinced it will be too late.. In fact, I suspect it already is... so much focus on trump all the shit going on in the dark is missed.. like the loyalty research going on for gov employees.... THIS is the beginning of the purge..!

and his supporters are honest about their positions." This exactly. Donald Trump is the very embodiment, the culmination, of Republicanism. Hate, greed, lying, lust for money and power, anti-decency. And all of it wrapped up in an authoritarian pig dressed in a cheap suit. I remember that "compassionate conservative" bull hockey they used to spew. Didn't seem to last long, probably because everyone else knew they were lying through their teeth. How they even got the words "compassionate conservatism" past their mendacious, flapping lips without laughing is beyond me.

Many (far too many) Democrats who should have known better and should have called that BS out as soon as it hit the air.

I'd love to served two party system between Dems and a viable Green party. Or a European-style parliamentary system. But the GOP has completely lost any facet or pretense of credibility. And we cannot have a one party system...

for truth

hey gal... maybe I could move to jamaica...

I mean I can play steel pan,,I know I know. It's trini thing but....
jamaica is closer then NY

We have a few good players but none in the league of T T

Would we EVER have heard the end of "indoctrination" and "capitulation" and "Neville Chamberlain"?

I think not.

There, I’ve fixed it for you.
They’re CON artists. Preying on the fears of white folks who fear losing their ever-diminishing grip on what they perceive as “control.”
Just as the 19th Century traveling snake-oil peddlers preyed on the fears about all sorts of health ailments, these CON artists are preying on the fears of WASPs losing control of their sad lives.

While their audience refuses to recognize evolution as a force of nature — biologically or politically — the hucksters prey upon them. Eventually, they will be overcome. But at what price to the rest of us?

Resist. Now. Our survival depends on it!

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Of any objectivity,

or empathy.

100% responsible.

I hear you and I agree but the sad truth is that if Democrats came out and voted like they did in 2012 we wouldn't be dealing living this nightmare. I look at the troll and I'm just disgusted by how much his morally bankrupt party supports him no matter what. It also saddens me because had Democrats supported Barack Obama a fraction of the way these clowns support trump we probably wouldn't have lost the senate in 2014. In NC we had a senator actually run on a platform of being willing to oppose President Obama at times. This whole thing is really sad and frustrating.

you know... this might be nuts, but maybe many dems are just too busy leading meaningful lives.
And forget about it, or IGNORE it...

But yeah, it';s more than one thing.

Still, I put the blame on REPUBLICONS for not even trying to understand what it might mean to be a human being...

The class warfare?

fucking crowd. This all could have been prevented

Maybe I am thinking more of what I might call the 'macro' factor.. That we have so many, cowardly evil human beings. And ESPECIALLY I am thinking of republicon politicians.. and congressional and executive and judiciary ugly human beings.... but for now-- mostly congressional republicons who could put a stop to this nightmare in a heartbeat.

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He is the sympton of the disease,

And IF there is an election in nov and IF we stand a chance of taking over, i feel we have to nail all repubs to the wall with the horror they have created.

Can't really argue with that!