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oberliner

(58,724 posts) Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:28 AM Jun 2018

Clinton campaign chief says there is 'good evidence' Comey blew the election for Democrats

Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman on Thursday excoriated fired FBI Director James Comey, saying there is “good evidence” that his actions in the final days of the 2016 presidential campaign “blew the election” for Democrats.

“I’m not going to defend Jim Comey. I criticized him from the day he dropped a letter to (lawmakers) ... right before the election,” John Podesta said during an interview on The Hill’s new morning TV show, "Rising."

“He refused to take the advice of senior people in the Justice Department, so I’m not going to defend him," Podesta told co-host Krystal Ball just hours before the release of a Justice Department inspector general report. Observers expect that report to be critical Comey’s leadership of the FBI, including his decision to announce a reopening of the Clinton email investigation just days before the election.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/392239-clinton-campaign-chief-says-there-is-good-evidence-comey-blew-the-election

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Clinton campaign chief says there is 'good evidence' Comey blew the election for Democrats (Original Post) oberliner Jun 2018 OP

He is absolutely right. Comey knew what he was doing, and he is as responsible as all the other lunamagica Jun 2018 #1

I believe 538 provided that evidence many months ago. spooky3 Jun 2018 #2

I don't think such a claim can ever be proven... Orsino Jun 2018 #3

There was a significant drop in the polls directly after the second Comey announcement mythology Jun 2018 #8

In a race that close, any number of individual factors could have swung the election. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #10

In a race this complex, we can't identify any one thing as responsible... Orsino Jun 2018 #12

Yes, Comey's last minute announcement would rank below those other factors I listed. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #13

Well, my point is that it alone *wouldn't* have done the trick... Orsino Jun 2018 #14

Hate him all you want sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #4

Exactly. What's done is done. We have to chart a new future for this country. Yavin4 Jun 2018 #5

Of course there is Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #6

It doesn't take a genius to see that... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #7

Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2018 #9

Podesta was one one who facilitated the Wikileaks breach of the campaign MichMan Jun 2018 #11

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)

1. He is absolutely right. Comey knew what he was doing, and he is as responsible as all the other

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:36 AM

Jun 2018

deplorables for the horrific times we're living in now.

The fact that he is such a self-righteous hypocrite makes him even more revolting.

I despise him.

spooky3

(34,460 posts)

2. I believe 538 provided that evidence many months ago.

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:50 AM

Jun 2018

Unfortunately, the disaster can’t be undone.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)

3. I don't think such a claim can ever be proven...

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:09 AM

Jun 2018

...as possible as it seems. How does one go about isolating the Comey Effect from any of the hundreds of other factors a work in the election?

mythology

(9,527 posts)

8. There was a significant drop in the polls directly after the second Comey announcement

Reply to Orsino (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:33 AM

Jun 2018

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

That said, while Comey's actions weren't in Clinton's hands, if she never had the server, there's no announcement for Comey to make and she almost certainly wins. Having the server, knowing she was going to run in 2016 and how much Republicans hate her, was stupid.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)

10. In a race that close, any number of individual factors could have swung the election.

Reply to Orsino (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:40 PM

Jun 2018

PA, MI, WI and FL all could have been won by Clinton were it not for Comey's last minute announcement, or if Comey had instead announced that Trump was under investigation.

But, no, there isn't a way to prove Clinton would have reached 270+ electoral votes.

That said, I have little doubt Clinton would have reached 270+ if not for Comey or Russia or voter suppression or an irresponsible media. Clinton may have even won NC, AZ, GA and some other states.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)

12. In a race this complex, we can't identify any one thing as responsible...

Reply to Garrett78 (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 11:50 AM

Jun 2018

...and isolating its effects is not possible.

And even if we could, it would be fair to identify more significant factors as much more responsible. But yeah, in a system rife with corruption and lacking transparency, it' really tempting to say that all would have been well if not for Comey.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)

13. Yes, Comey's last minute announcement would rank below those other factors I listed.

Reply to Orsino (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 11:56 AM

Jun 2018

But it alone could have done the trick, given how close MI, PA and WI were. We agree, though, that there's no way to prove that.

But not all would have been well in a society that actually took Trump seriously.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)

14. Well, my point is that it alone *wouldn't* have done the trick...

Reply to Garrett78 (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 11:58 AM

Jun 2018

...but I guess it may have tipped a near thing into the current disaster.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)

4. Hate him all you want

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:10 AM

Jun 2018

But this is a smokescreen. All we need to focus on now is getting Trump out. If this isn't taking us to that goal, I don't care.

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)

5. Exactly. What's done is done. We have to chart a new future for this country.

Reply to sarah FAILIN (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:13 AM

Jun 2018

We have to run though Trump and the Republicans, not against them.

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)

6. Of course there is

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:20 AM

Jun 2018

Comeys only concern was his reputation.

He was sure Clinton would win, and didn’t want to look like he was covering up anything for her. So he violated all kinds of DOJ policy to grab the spotlight for himself and do all he could to make it look like he wasn’t “helping” her, sure she had it locked up.

And he way miscalculated, because he thought he was above DOJ policy and could better guess.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)

7. It doesn't take a genius to see that...

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:29 AM

Jun 2018

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,035 posts)

9. Kick

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:28 PM

Jun 2018

MichMan

(11,938 posts)

11. Podesta was one one who facilitated the Wikileaks breach of the campaign

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 05:52 PM

Jun 2018

Fell for a fake email link that anyone with any intelligence would have noticed was a scammer.
Yet, blames everyone but himself.....

Wonder how many votes that might have cost ?

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