If, and I still think it is a big if, he goes down, his supporters will go nuts. I mean we have Nazis winning nominations, and most of his supporters are completely batshit.


Peace

You're too generous. They're all completely batshit. Every last one of them.

There may be a few incidents, but nothing huge.

We'll survive.

Minor incidents.

is people defending themselves, if forced to. They ACTUALLY believe that people NOT part of the RWNJ Brigade are completely clueless where it comes to firearms and because we are begging for COMMON SENSE gun laws, we are bumbling, "sensitive" pacificsts, who will run screaming if they take up arms... TRUST ME, they ACTUALLY believe this... So, yes, there'll no doubt be a number of them that find their asses in a intensive care level slip due to their UNREALISTIC idea of what they'll be able to do.

He'll be tossed under the bus very quickly.

the trumpsters think they are in the majority.

It's not the "deplorables" you need to worry about being organized, it's russia.

Everyone is celebrating when there have been no real consequences for the trump family yet.

Until trump is out of the presidency and in prison, it's not over and we haven't won.

Pox Noise AND NOW, Sinclair Broadcasting. TWO big broadcasting monsters pushing the same lies and distortions and deceit.

I fear the RW Militia and gun humpers will go berserk. But it will only last a short time. I would not want to be celebrating in public places at first - hard to resist though.

I am not too worried about how his supporters will react if/when he goes down. I think the majority of them voted for him and support him because they think he will lead to Mike Pence being placed in the presidency. I think a large number of Trump supporters will actually be happy if Trump goes down.

remember people like Roy Moore? I remember being happy he won the nomination because I really thought, correctly that people are smarter than Trump's stupid assed base. I don't see many, if any of these crazies winning their general election when compared to regular, decent people.

We still have a Blue Wave going on and people still hate Trump and everything that he stands for. I say, "good" when the worst candidate is put forth by the republicons. I know they cringe when they see who wins these elections too. Remember that most people don't vote in primaries. It is the base, and in IQ45's case the base is nasty, racist and stupid.

Let them make noise and make asses out of themselves. Hopefully we will get it on video and use it for our benefit

I think you meant emoluments

Why not?

You rub emollients on your skin or else you get the hose again.

He do like his lotion.

That would be great because I'd really like to make him take it off.

With a maga-bubba.

Maybe a new prison series: The Apprentice

is Santa's half brother.
I hear he works for tRump.

which helps it shake like a bowl full of jelly.

The North Pole is not that far from Russia, you know. I bet he can see Putin's house from his workshop.

but Dukakis riding in a tank doomed his presidency?

Why? the media.

and to break as many laws as possible in the process, as long as you are not a Democrat riding in a tank.

Trump has made so many enemies.

This stuff is growing by the day. And Turd can't pardon anybody for state crimes.

Don't let them take you alive. You will be totally humiliated if you go to prison.

That's some sound advice!

NO wiggle-room to anticipate or escape ANY of the ramifications. He deserves ALL of that, AND more. MUCH more.

alive.

Personally I'd love to have him blathering in a video-taped courtroom. No insanity defense allowed, however - "smartest man ever".

close enough so stories will come to him. Death is too kind.

Can you imagine him getting a presidential burial? No way. Unmarked grave for him.

Not just as in bankrupt him, but all these legal woes will stick in his craw because he's a man who disrespects judges and abused the court system to harass and deter his accusers from seeking legal redress against him. No doubt, Trump is livid with rage and trying to find some way tp get revenge against anyone who would dare confront him.

Everything he does strengthens Putin and Russia and weakens the USA and the western alliance..

A sane person would've realized that running for office and making it would turn a spotlight on decades of dirty dealings and crimes that they had long since gotten away with. I do know that its a huge leap to assume that he "thinks".

Russian spy.

and yes, it really is that SIMPLE!!!

May go down , but he's so corrupt , with many others helping him, I will have to see it first.

...but I'm not convinced there's enough remaining American law and order to deal with corruption at this level. I'll hope that evidence can get a fair hearing and be used to hold officials accountable, but that hope is a little shaky these days.

before I know for sure Spanky is going down. His cultists in Congress will move heaven and earth to protect him.

We have seen this bullshit before with bush. Remember Palin? She was a goddess to the Trump voters. Where is she now?

Palin had no such help. Actually 2008 financial meltdown sealed the fate of McCain-Palin ticket, because of a republican in White House at the time. And Palin's record in Alaska is laughable, with quitting in the middle of term including.

I think by November much of this will be dawning on voters.

Until the middle class manufacturing jobs come back from China, wages will remain low.

I want substance for once, not hints of Manafort wrongdoing, the will-he-or-won't-he-flip stuff for Cohen, and so on.

Not drip-drip-drip.

Pretty much every single day here on DU there are posts gleefully claiming Trump will be out of office real soon. There used to be daily posts about Mueller being fired. At least those have gone away.

The Republican leadership is firmly committed to retaining power, which is why they occasionally say something mild to indicate they're not 100% pleased with Trump, but are clearly doing nothing to remove him from office. And they won't. If somehow Trump is indicted for something (which I am daily more skeptical that that will ever happen), they'll get the Supreme Court to say a sitting President can't be indicted or brought to trail. So nothing will happen.

Even if there really is a blue tsunami in November, I don't hold out a lot of hoping for the newly empowered Democrats to do much either.

I hope I'm wrong, but the truth is we're stuck with Trump until at least January 21, 2021.

variations on "OMG THE GOP IS SO SCREWED!!!" "OMG THIS IS THE END OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!" "THE NUMBERS ARE AGAINST THEM!!! JUST GIVE IT TIME!!!" "THE GOP WILL PAY FOR THIS OVERREACH AT THE POLLS!!!!"

Yeah. Didn't happen. Not going to happen.

The best any of us can hope for is Trump resigns before anything happens. And then we get President Pence and we'll hear more of the same types let us know that the adults are back in charge and that they look forward to negotiating in good faith and working with their friends across the aisle as though none of this happens. And that is the BEST CASE scenario.

But rest assured neither Trump nor anyone is his family is "going down" or "going away" or any of it.

I'm tired of the hype which so far is still the same old same old. I'm sick of the talking heads too, when you really listen it all comes down to "if this, if that", I don't even watch them anymore.

Clearly, he's broken lots and lots of laws, and also clearly both Mueller and New York courts are closing in. When Manafort and Cohen talk, there'll be sufficient evidence to charge him with obstruction of justice and (I would guess) money laundering at least.

What I'm wondering is what happens then? Will the Republicans finally turn on him and throw him out of office? They show no indication so far they have the decency to do that.

So what happens when the President of the United States is charged with crimes?

"We believe you may have dry, cracked skin. Do you deny this?"

First Mueller has to publish the charges and present evidence.
There will be a long debate in the House if impeachment is called for and vote to file articles of impeachment. That will happen only if the blue wave flips the House.

Senate is less likely to flip in 2018.
Then Senate has to debate and vote to remove Rump.
Just do not see all this happening before election of 2020.
Why? Because the republican congress critters are afraid of being primaried by Trumpkins. Look at what happened in Virginia on Tuesday. Republicans won't turn on Rump until
after the election of 2020 November is out of the way.

I'm VA-10th (which was challenging because of so many great Dem choices). But I haven't noted very much of interest on the RePutin side of the ticket. What have I missed?

Quickly scanning the numbers, only in my district can I compare the two sides directly; we hold a 12,000 voter advantage if you measure enthusiasm by primary turnout. Also here in the 10th, the brazenly pro-Turd Shit Hill lost to Comstock by a wide margin.

But if Dems turn out over the rest of the state it will be Kaine big time. But then, I never thought either Trump or Charlottesville would happen, so what do I know?

So they chose a Nazi. Nice.

Well, that should help us get out our base in November.

But maybe my historical memory is as bad as Trump's.

Mark Sanford which made lot of news, because Sanford was vocal in opposition to Rump.

First he has the most expansive public platform anyone in history has ever had to try and turn public opinion.
As long as he has wiggling room he will use this to push tried and true legal obfuscation tactics.

But if he finds himself cornered he will do anything, no matter how destructive, to get himself out.
This could be ordering a war or maybe even inventing an excuse to declare martial law.
( I know this is classic, tin foil hat, conspiracy thinking but with Trump the totally unthinkable is in the realm of possibility.)

It's not going to be pretty because he will never accept American law as the final arbiter of his future.

Always ignore day to day details. The people who obsess over details have the most inept predictive ability on the planet.

When you have a list of details then the projection will almost certainly be wrong.

Everyone was saying he wouldn't last 6 weeks, 100 days, 6 months....etc etc etc

It has been 18 months.

Sorry, but I see no end in the near (foreseeable) future.

since November of 2016. At least one other member of DU is/was doing the same thing. As you said, I figured dRump would last a few months, six months tops. It's been 19 months of his miserable occupation of our house and I don't see an end either. I am learning that for every surprisingly stupid thing he says or does, it is surprisingly and stupidly accepted by his base and their GOP herders.

While not to a Gandalf state yet, it continues to grow: long, gray, turning white, for as long as it takes.

Trump is continually breaking the Emoluments Clause by raking in money from foreign governments.

A lot of people here were sure that the Bush administration was going down then too.

Good times. Good times.

He may convince three more states to ratify a call for a Constitutional Convention. They have an un-quenchable desire for wealth and power. If they CAN seize it....THEY WILL!

At that point, there are no guarantees. 250 years of democracy could be made history.

What are the alternatives?

Dictatorship?

Monarchy?

Police State for our own safety?

Wake up.

We MUST take back the state legislatures NOW!

Can't let the wealthy lose their asses.

Damn straight: Only way. GOTV

I truly, sincerely hope you're right!

Gets covered in crap. The man is a human shit-storm of the category 5 variety.

If anything, his power has grown in the last few months.

Children are being ripped from the arms of mothers. Racism is more overt than ever. His supporters are clamoring for a Nobel Peace Price like Obama got. He's alienating our allies even more than before. Rules are being abolished. Huge tax cuts for billionaires & corporations were passed.

If a report is returned that recommends indictment, I fear that no one will act on it, since it will be a "witch hunt" report, and the rest of the politicians will be too afraid.

But I am hopeful, nonetheless.

I agree with everything you wrote.

When / if it comes time for Ryan and McConnell to act, I don't care what the charges are, what the verdicts are, how many indictments there are.

If it's up to them, they will do nothing.

Trump and his wrecking crew aren’t going anywhere. If the letter of the law still had any value, they’d be in prison right now.

But the old paradigms are just that— old and out of date. Apparently, the law now takes a back seat to being a “loyal party member,” just as it was last century for a couple of European dudes who also fancied themselves “stable geniuses.”

but the likelihood of trump getting reelected is growing everyday. No president has ever had supporters like trump supporters. They are tribal and pledge absolute loyalty to trump no matter what. Many will kill for trump.

Sure, it still exists for Democrats and progressives -- but that's our memories talking. #45 and his supportive Republican Party have created their own reality, as most cults do. They believe that they're the victims, and also above the law.

And most of the Republican Party are backing Trump. His supporters don't care about Russia. They don't care that he has likely broken multiple laws in several U.S. states over time. They love his crassness and intemperate bullshit, just for the very effect it has on reasonable people. They have the Supreme Court advantage. They hold all branches of government. Clearly, they're not interested in playing fair. I fear that the partisan divide is so deep that #45 will still be standing after this, I fear.

It appears now that there is a sobering number of American citizens who would vote for an out-an-out fascist. Which is why it is CRUCIAL to vote Democratic in November.

Sooner rather than later please!

Who is Emollients Claus; Santa's creepy lotioned-up brother?