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Stuart G

(38,436 posts) Thu Jun 14, 2018, 06:38 PM Jun 2018

I think we will hear world condemnation of Trump taking children from their parents.

It is a matter of time. He and his clan will have to defend this often...When he does defend this, it could destroy any positive reaction from the North Korean "peace trip"..

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I think we will hear world condemnation of Trump taking children from their parents. (Original Post) Stuart G Jun 2018 OP

He will certainly deserve it gratuitous Jun 2018 #1

Will enough people care? MuseRider Jun 2018 #2

I do think a lot of people around the world will care. Stuart G Jun 2018 #3

I do agree, I was actually thinking MuseRider Jun 2018 #16

I hope to hell so! Chemisse Jun 2018 #4

If this doesn't turn out to be the last straw lunatica Jun 2018 #5

Trump couldn't care less what other world leaders think of him. procon Jun 2018 #6

well, he does want to impress people like Duterte, Erdogan, and Kim Jong Un... anarch Jun 2018 #12

Poor and brown . Coin toss lunasun Jun 2018 #7

The daily mail which is not an exactly liberal bastion of journalism is covering this story. kimbutgar Jun 2018 #8

I heard that the United Nations was going to look into it as a human rights violation... kentuck Jun 2018 #9

U.N. Human Rights office to U.S.: Halt Trump policy separating kids from parents at border workinclasszero Jun 2018 #10

Taking Migrant Children From Parents Is Illegal, U.N. Tells U.S. workinclasszero Jun 2018 #11

Catholic bishops issue scathing statement on Trump's family separation policy workinclasszero Jun 2018 #13

BISHOP PROPOSES 'CANONICAL PENALTIES' FOR CATHOLICS WHO HELP CARRY OUT TRUMP IMMIGRATION PLAN workinclasszero Jun 2018 #14

One can hope. trof Jun 2018 #15

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)

1. He will certainly deserve it

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 06:41 PM

Jun 2018

But for some reason, I feel that the fallout from that condemnation will land on the politically powerless: Why didn't you stop Trump? The politically powerful (read: the Republican majorities in both houses of Congress) will skate.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)

2. Will enough people care?

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 06:44 PM

Jun 2018

I know we will but I am beginning to wonder where all these "other" people came from. Who hates this much? Man, it is really stunning.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)

3. I do think a lot of people around the world will care.

Reply to MuseRider (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 06:47 PM

Jun 2018

Taking children from their parents is just wrong. (unless the parents are harming their children of course)
For what reason? ..... Oh the family illegally immigrated to get a better life.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)

16. I do agree, I was actually thinking

Reply to Stuart G (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:53 PM

Jun 2018

about our country alone.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)

4. I hope to hell so!

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 06:48 PM

Jun 2018

It amazes me that America can wake up each morning, go through its day and sleep peacefully when there are children being imprisoned within our borders!!

It's like 9-11 happening and people just going about the rest of their day like usual.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)

5. If this doesn't turn out to be the last straw

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 06:49 PM

Jun 2018

Then nothing will stop this administration and Congress.

As the media turns more and more to this story the worse it will be on Trump.

But, and it’s a big but, if this is allowed then the next step is a fascist government, because there won’t be anyone they can’t go after to throw in camps.

procon

(15,805 posts)

6. Trump couldn't care less what other world leaders think of him.

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 06:58 PM

Jun 2018

If some tyrannical despot speaks, Trump might perk up, but he has already dissed most of our long standing allies. They can say whatever they want, heap scorn and outrage upon him, make him a pariah in the community of nations, but Trump will wear their contempt like a crown.

anarch

(6,535 posts)

12. well, he does want to impress people like Duterte, Erdogan, and Kim Jong Un...

Reply to procon (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:44 PM

Jun 2018

and of course his boss Vlad...so, yeah.

If the American people tolerate this, they'll be rightfully shunned the world over.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)

7. Poor and brown . Coin toss

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:09 PM

Jun 2018

kimbutgar

(21,163 posts)

8. The daily mail which is not an exactly liberal bastion of journalism is covering this story.

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:34 PM

Jun 2018

I think as it gets more reported condemnations from around the world and pictures show children being treated like animals there will be international outrage.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)

9. I heard that the United Nations was going to look into it as a human rights violation...

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:36 PM

Jun 2018

...it was mentioned on one of the evening talk shows.

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)

10. U.N. Human Rights office to U.S.: Halt Trump policy separating kids from parents at border

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:41 PM

Jun 2018

Associated Press Published 12:19 p.m. ET June 5, 2018 | Updated 12:32 p.m. ET June 5, 2018

GENEVA (AP) — The United Nations human rights office called on the Trump administration Tuesday to "immediately halt" its accelerating policy of separating children from their parents after they cross the U.S. border with Mexico, insisting there's "nothing normal about detaining children."

Ravina Shamdasani , a spokeswoman for the U.N. high commissioner for refugees, scolded the United States over the hundreds of children removed from parents who were jailed for entering the country illegally. She said that border control appears to take precedence over child protection and care in the U.S.

"The use of immigration detention and family separation as a deterrent runs counter to human rights standards and principles," Shamdasani said during a briefing in Geneva. "The child's best interest should always come first."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/05/united-nations-tells-u-s-stop-separating-children-parents/673090002/

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)

11. Taking Migrant Children From Parents Is Illegal, U.N. Tells U.S.

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:43 PM

Jun 2018

By Nick Cumming-Bruce
June 5, 2018

GENEVA — The Trump administration’s practice of separating children from migrant families entering the United States violates their rights and international law, the United Nations human rights office said on Tuesday, urging an immediate halt to the practice.

The administration angrily rejected what it called an ignorant attack by the United Nations human rights office and accused the global organization of hypocrisy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/world/americas/us-un-migrant-children-families.html

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)

13. Catholic bishops issue scathing statement on Trump's family separation policy

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:46 PM

Jun 2018

CBS NEWS June 14, 2018, 10:50 AM

The bishops also said the Trump administration's policy of separating parents from their children at the U.S.-Mexico border needs to stop.

"Our government has the discretion in our laws to ensure that young children are not separated from their parents and exposed to irreparable harm and trauma," he said. "Families are the foundational element of our society and they must be able to stay together.

"Separating babies from their mothers is not the answer and is immoral," Blansfield said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/catholic-bishops-statement-on-trump-immigration-policies-family-separation-border/

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)

14. BISHOP PROPOSES 'CANONICAL PENALTIES' FOR CATHOLICS WHO HELP CARRY OUT TRUMP IMMIGRATION PLAN

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:49 PM

Jun 2018

BY PAUL LEBLANC ON 6/13/18 AT 4:37 PM

Bishop Edward Weisenburger of Arizona suggested that penalties be put in place for Catholics who help carry out President Donald Trump’s immigration policy of separating families who cross the United States border illegally. He made the recommendation while speaking at the spring meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Wednesday.

“Canonical penalties are there in place to heal,” he said, according to Religion News Service. “And therefore, for the salvation of these people’s souls, maybe it’s time for us to look at canonical penalties.”

A canonical penalty is defined as a punishment imposed by the church, which could include purgatory or excommunication. Catholic church laws are outlined in the Code of Canon law, a system of laws for regulation within the church.

http://www.newsweek.com/catholic-bishop-suggests-canonical-penalties-catholics-help-carry-out-trump-975834

trof

(54,256 posts)

15. One can hope.

Reply to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:51 PM

Jun 2018

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