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NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 09:01 PM Jun 2018

Anecdotal - but telling, nonetheless

As an avid knitter/crocheter, I participate on a number of websites devoted to the crafts.

One of them occasionally has discussion threads about politics, and a large swath of posters (mostly older white women) declared themselves Trump devotees from the time he took office. They invariably say the same thing when anyone posts an anti-Trump comment: “Stop complaining! Everything is going great and he’s accomplishing so much!”

Well, two days ago, someone started a discussion with the question: ”If you are a Trump supporter, can you tell us what it is you believe he’s accomplished as president?”

The responses were as follows: ”That’s none of your business.” “You have no right to ask anyone that.” “I don’t have to tell you.” “Why do you want to know?” “I have better things to do with my time.”

All of the responses from the pro-Trumpers were like that. Not a single poster was able to come up with a single positive thing to brag about – and they all got extremely angry/defensive about even being asked the question.

I couldn’t help but think of how I would have responded to a similar question while Obama was in office – and how I would have had literally dozens of things to point to, in terms of his achievements.

I think the Trumpsters’ reaction is telling. They want desperately to believe that their idol is delivering on his “MAGA agenda” – but they’re beginning to realize that when pressed for details, they can’t come up with anything, simply because there’s no “there” there.

I know that several of the people who weighed-in are FOX-News enthusiasts, but even they couldn’t come up with anything to say, despite being bombarded with pro-Trump propaganda on a daily basis. No one mentioned their “massive tax cut”, because they’re middle-class folk who literally got nothing. No one mentioned getting a better job or a raise thanks to the tax cuts given to their employers. No one spoke about feeling safer because those “criminal immigrants” are being deported.

I believe there are people out there who are beginning to realize that things are not exactly as advertised. As with most Republicans, they usually regurgitate what party leaders are telling them – but they couldn’t even go that route.

I liken it to a local hangout. People gathered at the Trump Bar & Grill, high-fiving each other over their “win”. They were ecstatic about the idea that “certain people” were told they weren’t welcome, and toasted to the better days ahead they were promised.

But after a while, just as with all such suddenly-popular hangouts, the patrons are starting to realize that the quality of the food is sub-par, the drinks are watered-down, the wait staff is rude and incompetent, and the prices keep going up to the point where they can’t afford to “hang with the crowd” after all.

The promised “huge tax cuts” for middle-class Americans never materialized, the Mexico-funded border wall never materialized, and the Make America Great Again agenda has turned out to be nothing more than a bunch of made-in-China hats and tees that fade with every wash-‘n-wear news cycle.

Republican voters are stupid – that goes without saying. But even the dumbest of the dumb tend to wake up when the shit hits the fan when that fan happens to be located in their own home, and their own pockets are full of nothing but bullshit promises.

Patience, my friends. When staunch Trumpsters can’t point to a single accomplishment their Messiah has allegedly achieved, it’s an unmistakable sign that they’re starting to question whether their own loyalty was misplaced, and their own party has sold them a worthless bill of goods.

Republican voters don’t care that the wealthy got tax cuts – they only care that they didn’t get one. Republican voters don’t care if their “pResident” is an idiot – they only care if his idiocy affects them personally. Republican voters don’t care if Trump spends his time golfing and tweeting covfefe – they only care when the bullshit hits them right between the eyes – and it’s beginning to.

As I said up front, this is based on anecdotal evidence. But it’s that on-the-ground evidence that gives me hope that Republican voters – as dumb as they have proven themselves to be – may not be the complacent sheep their party has counted on.

Let’s remember that if you can talk Evangelicals into believing that a pussy-grabbing adulterer is a model Christian ordained by God to rule a nation, you are dealing with sheep who can be just as equally manipulated into turning against him.

And at this juncture, the powers-that-be in the GOP are no doubt preparing the talking points aimed at doing exactly that. Trump is a liability that the Republicans don’t want weighing them down going into the general election in 2020 – a campaign cycle that will begin the minute the 2018 midterms are over – which means it’s time to “adjust the message” in order to promote a more suitable, God-fearing Christian like Mike Pence to lead the flock to electoral victory.

The Emperor’s new clothes are coming apart at the seams, and those who once believed his wardrobe was impenetrable are – slowly, but surely – realizing that his teeny-tiny dick, now exposed for all to see, is just as flaccid and disappointing as his promises.

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Anecdotal - but telling, nonetheless (Original Post) NanceGreggs Jun 2018 OP
Great observations, Nance, as usual PJMcK Jun 2018 #1
Pox News has them brainwashed The Wizard Jun 2018 #12
Child labor ON MARS! DiverDave Jun 2018 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #2
links to RWNJ,s websites will get a post Hidden ... stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #3
There's nothing RW about ... NanceGreggs Jun 2018 #7
What happens in the needles-and-yarn club ... NanceGreggs Jun 2018 #5
K&R ! stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #4
Along the same lines, our local paper printed this LTTE the other day: The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #6
surprised that writer didn't mention... AZ8theist Jun 2018 #8
Those are *reasons*, even though they are wrong and stupid reasons. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #9
They believe that Fox has the REAL news. Any news to the contrary is ipso facto came news. hedda_foil Jun 2018 #17
Wow! The text reads exactly like Trump language. Wouldn't it be something if for entertainment LuckyLib Jun 2018 #23
Of course he's "ordained by God." justgamma Jun 2018 #10
Judicial appointments, rise in hate crimes, worsened reputation abroad...many accomplishments. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #11
The primary concern of Trumpinistas The Wizard Jun 2018 #13
Yes, you are right. For scared white people, Trump is their savior. raging moderate Jun 2018 #18
We're normal The Wizard Jun 2018 #20
They can't actually admit why they like tRump ladym55 Jun 2018 #14
I think that many of them will dig their heels in deeper and become even more BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #15
Refusing to admit they were wrong is a trait they share with the Con. CrispyQ Jun 2018 #30
Thank you, Nance. volstork Jun 2018 #16
"Their own party sold them a worthless bill of goods" oasis Jun 2018 #19
The Religious Right has been falling for the same long con for DECADES... Moostache Jun 2018 #21
They have pent up hate dottie66 Jun 2018 #29
That didn't sound like you... world wide wally Jun 2018 #22
My observation on your observation: phylny Jun 2018 #24
I posted the pic of the salute onethatcares Jun 2018 #25
It's a punch you in the face crowd vlyons Jun 2018 #26
On a health-related web forum I frequent sweetroxie Jun 2018 #27
2 memes RandomAccess Jun 2018 #28
Interesting they got so defensive mcar Jun 2018 #32
My wife runs a forum on a knitting web site SnowCritter Jun 2018 #33
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #34
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2018 #35

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
1. Great observations, Nance, as usual
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 09:13 PM
Jun 2018

You've articulated the coming fracturing of the "Trump coalition."

I perceive one problem. These stupid Republican voters are not going to vote for a Democratic candidate. Period. The tribalism is too strong.

The thing we can do, (and I know you know this so forgive me), is get our voters to the polls and hope that these disillusioned former Trumpers will just stay home on Election Day. Then, if we can prevent interference by Russian bots and cyber-assaults, maybe we can save our republic.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
12. Pox News has them brainwashed
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:31 PM
Jun 2018

to believe that Democrats are mortal enemies and serial killers. Yes they're that stupid.

Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
7. There's nothing RW about ...
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 09:38 PM
Jun 2018

... the website I'm referring to.

It is, for the most part, a site that steers clear of political discussion. It was extremely unusual for this particular discussion thread to have been posted at all.

In normal times, the worst epithet to be hurled at any politician would have been that he couldn't execute a perfect series of cable stitches required for a Guernsey pullover.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
6. Along the same lines, our local paper printed this LTTE the other day:
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 09:27 PM
Jun 2018
TO THE STAR TRIBUNE …

I don’t like you or your readers. I like Trump. He’ll win again.

Hello, poster child for fake news. I am continually surprised by your high percentage of under­informed readers and editorials. Fake news promulgated by fools like your fake newspaper — you print whatever the failed New York Times and Associated Press dictate to your paper.

You do not realize that every time you print this fake news and your totally underinformed readers write, we conservatives gain new voters ­— thank you!

Looking forward to your fake coverage of the POTUS speech next week in Duluth (“Trump to hold rally in Duluth June 20”).

Heads up to your readers — Trump will be re-elected in 2020 and will win Minnesota. Write it down.


Why does the writer like Trump? Damned if I know; he doesn't say. But apparently anything the paper prints that's critical of Trump in any way is "fake news," fed to it by the Failing New York Times and the AP. He assumes that the coverage of Trump's upcoming speech will be fake, too. This guy isn't just drinking the kool-aid; he's swimming in it. He likes Trump and the news about him is fake. I guess we don't need to know anything else.

AZ8theist

(5,477 posts)
8. surprised that writer didn't mention...
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 09:40 PM
Jun 2018

1. her emails
2. Benghazi
3. Soros funded antifa buses
4. tax cuts made him millions
5. destroy ObamaCare
6. gays
7. guns
8. GAWD

yad, yada, yada..........the stupid. It burns.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
9. Those are *reasons*, even though they are wrong and stupid reasons.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 09:46 PM
Jun 2018

The Trumpists don't need any reasons at all any more - the mark of a true personality cult. What your Dear Leader does or says or believes in is no longer important because you automatically agree with him about everything. It's the lemmingization of America, or at least about a third of it.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
23. Wow! The text reads exactly like Trump language. Wouldn't it be something if for entertainment
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 12:31 AM
Jun 2018

late at night he writes online letters to the editor to major newspapers? It's possible -- he certainly doesn't read or study.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
11. Judicial appointments, rise in hate crimes, worsened reputation abroad...many accomplishments.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:24 PM
Jun 2018

All of them horrifying, but this Trump Administration is definitely accomplishing various goals. We will pay a heavy price for a long time to come.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
13. The primary concern of Trumpinistas
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:34 PM
Jun 2018

is that Big Daddy will keep the "coloreds" in their place. When they say it's not about race .......

raging moderate

(4,306 posts)
18. Yes, you are right. For scared white people, Trump is their savior.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 11:06 PM
Jun 2018

Last edited Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:12 AM - Edit history (1)

These white people see themselves as the only completely human beings. They have a fierce loyalty to something they call "western civilization," which they think was invented only by white people, which embodies the true version of all the virtues of justice, mercy, science, law, and industry. These people actually think Socrates and Jesus Christ and Saint Nicholas were blond and blue-eyed. They don't know that our civilization has developed from ideas and skills and virtues from all kinds of people all over the world. They think the other races are multiplying too fast, and the white race will be wiped out, and all civilization will end. There is that book by Count Gobineau, which has a picture of subhumans in the future wondering at the decayed ruins of a civilization they cannot begin to comprehend.

Now that geneticists have discovered that the northern European pale-skinned blue-eyed genotype is less than ten thousand years old and will probably be very rare in maybe a thousand years, these people are absolutely terrified. They cannot conceive of a time when a blond blue-eyed baby will be born only very occasionally into a functioning civilization where those around him will say, Hmm, that's an unusual look, oh, well, that's nice, and move on to discuss the latest advances in rocket propulsion and interplanetary negotiations. When Obama was elected President, with Michelle as First Lady, this was just a nightmare for them. So Trump is their hero, like Beowulf or Roland or Thor, speaking the "truth" about the inferior Other, vanquishing their enemies, restoring their tribe to its rightful dominant position. That is what they are afraid to say out loud. At least most of them. But they are working on overcoming the "tyranny of political correctness" which they believe is blinding most white people to the dire situation, hoping to gather the tribe for the great effort that is needed.

It sort of reminds me of those crazy warrior video games.


The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
20. We're normal
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 11:23 PM
Jun 2018

The Trumpinistas on the other hand are ignorant and easily frightened. Pox News depends on their viewers' worst fears and lowest instincts compounded by ignorance. And sometimes the bigotry reveals itself when not expected. I was in a group of friends, all Vietnam combat vets. One referred to one of the group as his black friend. My response was "why can't you just call him your friend?" Not surprisingly, he voted for Trump. I no longer speak to him. I'm too old to suffer fools and bigots.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
14. They can't actually admit why they like tRump
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:48 PM
Jun 2018

It's hard to go out in public and out yourself as a racist. They can't tell you what tRump has accomplished--well, he HAS accomplished quite a bit, and it will take YEARS to undo the damage. It doesn't matter. He is going after brown people, and that is all that matters.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
15. I think that many of them will dig their heels in deeper and become even more
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:51 PM
Jun 2018

stubborn because they do not even want to admit it to themselves that they were taken in. I read an article that explained how "they think", I know, I know, they DON'T think and that is part of the problem. They are selfish and they are world class haters. When it hits them personally in the pocketbook only then will we see a change, and maybe not even then.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/insider-explains-rural-christian-white-america-dark-terrifying-underbelly/

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
30. Refusing to admit they were wrong is a trait they share with the Con.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 01:32 PM
Jun 2018

They will never admit they were wrong & will often double down, instead. I see it in the trumpers in my family. "Almost perfect" one of them described him. WTF?

volstork

(5,402 posts)
16. Thank you, Nance.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:53 PM
Jun 2018

I'm hoping this is true:

"Let’s remember that if you can talk Evangelicals into believing that a pussy-grabbing adulterer is a model Christian ordained by God to rule a nation, you are dealing with sheep who can be just as equally manipulated into turning against him."

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
21. The Religious Right has been falling for the same long con for DECADES...
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 11:27 PM
Jun 2018

I would NEVER count on the Trumpers waking up or overtly admitting they've been had. Until we VOTE THEM OUT, the GOP and their "fan base" will remain steadfastly behind this abomination, no matter what they see or learn...

dottie66

(59 posts)
29. They have pent up hate
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jun 2018

and aggrievement for years. Now one of their own is in power. They will do whatever is necessary to keep him there.

phylny

(8,381 posts)
24. My observation on your observation:
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:31 AM
Jun 2018
"and they all got extremely angry/defensive about even being asked the question."

That's how every Trump supporter I know responds - angrily.

onethatcares

(16,173 posts)
25. I posted the pic of the salute
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:31 AM
Jun 2018

and a USMC vet responded that it was ok for the con to salute a lower ranked person as long as the lower ranked initiated said salute.

It showed, in his words, "respect for rank".....jeeebussss, the adoration is thicker than peanut butter by the gallon.. Oh, and now it's ok to be pro NK in order to prevent nuclear war. But definitely not ok to be anti nuclear war if you are a leftist, socialist, marxist, communist, union organizer, educated, elite member of the Democratic Party..

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
26. It's a punch you in the face crowd
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:54 AM
Jun 2018

My impression is that Trumpsters delight in Trump's vulgarity, brutality, and bigotry. Because they themselves are bigots, and more particularly racists. Deeply resentful when black and brown people move up and demonstrate themselves to be just as able and accomplished as any white person, given the opportunity. Angry that life is difficult, and it's all someone else's fault that their life is not a bed of roses.

So when Trump calls immigrants animals and erases Obama's accomplishments, it feeds their deep-seated desire to wreck vengence on us.. They resent not being able to use the N-word. They know perfectly well how wicked they are. That they don't live up to Christian values. But they don't care. They are a lost cause. It's very sad.

sweetroxie

(776 posts)
27. On a health-related web forum I frequent
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jun 2018

the Trumpers do not seem to be coming around at all. They are impervious to facts or to the lack of them. They just know that Rump is their Lord and Savior and can do no wrong. One of them, in particular, keeps harping on the FSA (Free Stuff Army) and how the Others (read Interlopers) are taking their stuff. They also seem to have some really misguided sense of Anarchy. I think you are too sanguine based on a limited sample (mine is limited also).

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
28. 2 memes
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jun 2018
Let’s remember that if you can talk Evangelicals into believing that a pussy-grabbing adulterer is a model Christian ordained by God to rule a nation, you are dealing with sheep who can be just as equally manipulated into turning against him.


Manipulated by whom?







Republican voters are stupid – that goes without saying. But even the dumbest of the dumb tend to wake up when the shit hits the fan when that fan happens to be located in their own home, and their own pockets are full of nothing but bullshit promises.


Eh, maybe not:

mcar

(42,334 posts)
32. Interesting they got so defensive
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 01:48 PM
Jun 2018
I liken it to a local hangout. People gathered at the Trump Bar & Grill, high-fiving each other over their “win”. They were ecstatic about the idea that “certain people” were told they weren’t welcome, and toasted to the better days ahead they were promised.


This, exactly. They wanted to belong to their little racist club to show us all.

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