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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 01:48 PM Jun 2018

A black woman was at a California pool on vacation. Then, a man insisted she shower before swimming.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-racial-pool-dispute-20180615-story.html

Carle Wheeler was doing what one does on a vacation in the sun, hanging with her 5-year-old daughter at the pool at the hotel they were staying at in Pasadena, California, when a man approached them.

The man, who is white, asked Wheeler and her daughter, who are black, if they had showered before getting into the pool, Wheeler wrote on her Facebook page, "because people carry diseases into the pools and he doesn't want the health department to shut the pool down."

He then approached again, claiming he worked for the Health Department, Wheeler wrote, at which point she said she confronted him on what appeared to be "blatant racism."

"I let him know that being black is not a disease and showering would not wash the BLACK off our skin," Wheeler, a software engineer and single mother from Texas wrote. "I think it's awful that ANY man would think it's okay to essentially ask a woman and a little girl if we took off our clothes and scrubbed our naked bodies before getting into a hotel swimming pool."

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A black woman was at a California pool on vacation. Then, a man insisted she shower before swimming. (Original Post) jpak Jun 2018 OP
drumpfian racist stupidity. democratisphere Jun 2018 #1
Neurofibromatosis ChazII Jun 2018 #2
Who is this man? Anon-C Jun 2018 #3
M.Obama "there are still people who won't see me for what I am because of my skin colour." RestoreAmerica2020 Jun 2018 #30
Devil's advocate here coeur_de_lion Jun 2018 #4
Please keep your advocacy. When or if your mother complained, did management SweetieD Jun 2018 #5
Thanks honey coeur_de_lion Jun 2018 #16
Sing it sister DiverDave Jun 2018 #27
Hah! Turbineguy Jun 2018 #6
What I can't figure out, is does the quick rinse actually do anything? mythology Jun 2018 #7
Lol no. That's why you're supposed to use soap... Volaris Jun 2018 #12
Some of the germs that cause problems can live in the chlorine for 24 hours. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #24
Yeah that's the thing coeur_de_lion Jun 2018 #17
Our local pool says sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #20
Most pools coeur_de_lion Jun 2018 #21
I never said it made sense, lol sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #22
Yeah me too. coeur_de_lion Jun 2018 #23
Intrusive busy body hall monitor mentality paired with racism Devil Child Jun 2018 #8
Every public pool I know of around here requires bathers to shower before getting in the pool. WillowTree Jun 2018 #9
The article notes that in the video from when talking to hotel staff mythology Jun 2018 #11
And as I said, of that was the case, then she certainly has cause to be upset. Very upset. WillowTree Jun 2018 #19
Please actually read the article and watch the video. SweetieD Jun 2018 #13
He's a racist coward who decided he could pick on a black woman and a girl brush Jun 2018 #26
When you start making up that you're from the health department mythology Jun 2018 #10
If he did that to me, I would have showered, and then pooped in the pool. LuckyCharms Jun 2018 #14
lol Flaleftist Jun 2018 #18
I'd have DiverDave Jun 2018 #29
I haven't been to a public pool in a while...but, in my as we came out of the bathhouse....we always Rene Jun 2018 #15
That's not the issue at all. That racist coward picked on a... brush Jun 2018 #28
The guy lied about being a health inspector JI7 Jun 2018 #25

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
2. Neurofibromatosis
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 02:14 PM
Jun 2018

and the folks have plexiform tumors and others tumors are asked to leave swimming pools. My heart aches for this mother and her child. The ignorance of humans.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
3. Who is this man?
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 02:37 PM
Jun 2018


"It's sad that I had to explain to my beautiful little five year old brown skinned girl why in 2018 a white man would think it's OK to ask a little girl and her mom if we showered our presumably dirty black skin before entering a swimming pool," Wheeler wrote on Facebook. "I have to teach my innocent child that no matter how much we educate ourselves with degrees, no matter what career we choose, no matter if we own a nice home in a gated community, or drive a nice car there are still people in this world who will not like us just because of the color of our skin."

Even worse, she wrote, was the feeling that people in positions of power "will not stand up for us when they know it's wrong that we are treated that way."

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
30. M.Obama "there are still people who won't see me for what I am because of my skin colour."
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 12:21 AM
Jun 2018

When asked about racism she experience while in WH Michelle Obama expressed the following...

Denver Post. "Knowing that after eight years of working really hard for this country, there are still people who won't see me for what I am because of my skin colour.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
4. Devil's advocate here
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:10 PM
Jun 2018

The same thing happened to my mother at her neighborhood pool. My mother is white. An old man yelled at her, called her dirty, etc.

Not saying it is true in this case, but it is *possible* that this guy is just some kind of busy body germ freak. That said, the way he handled it was awful.

My mother's feelings were very hurt. She stopped swimming. She really needed the exercise at her age (about 74) and I think her health declined as a result.

Also happened to me at my gym. And I had showered. But I'm not my mother and I told the complaining lady to stuff it. But she kept screaming at the top of her lungs. So I very quietly called her a busy body bitch and told her to get the F out of my way. I am not my mother! LOL

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
5. Please keep your advocacy. When or if your mother complained, did management
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:15 PM
Jun 2018

threaten to call the cops on her?

And there were three other people in the pool area. The mother said this man only approached them.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
16. Thanks honey
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jun 2018

I didn't know every detail, I just said it was POSSIBLE. Because the same thing happened to both me and my mother. In almost exactly the same way. No one else was approached. The police now that is fucking nuts. They should have locked up the guy who called the police for wasting police resources.

And thank you very much, I will do whatever I bloody well please with my advocacy.

Don't try to pick a fight with me when I was actually trying to be *helpful*.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
7. What I can't figure out, is does the quick rinse actually do anything?
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:18 PM
Jun 2018

I mean I always just did a quick drench, but it's not like I soaped up and scrubbed.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
12. Lol no. That's why you're supposed to use soap...
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:31 PM
Jun 2018

But anything the soap will take off, the pool filters will catch (that's why there there), and anything the soap won't kill, the chlorine WILL (also why it's there).

I get it, I suppose, but germophobes are about the most irritating kind of OCD suffer-ers, IMO.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
24. Some of the germs that cause problems can live in the chlorine for 24 hours.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:51 PM
Jun 2018

I’m far from a germaphobe. But you roll the dice in a busy public pool or, worse, a water park.

IMO, an occasional earache or case of the runs is the cost of living on this planet.

Heck when I was a kid we used to ride our bikes through the streets when the sewers backed up during a heavy rain. I have an Infectious Disease Doctor friend that would have had a heart attack at the sight.

When I was a kid we had a local Cook County Forest Preserve pool that had a long upward shooting shower bar you had to walk naked straddled over before you could swim. It was an old pool - probably a WPA project from the 1930s. There were probably some bad e. Coli outbreaks back in the day.

Everything old is new again. My parents used to over cook pork for fear of trichinosis and joke about bedbugs. Now trichinosis is on the rise due to undercooked pork and bedbugs are ... everywhere. Shit maybe I should put my coat on the back of movie theater seats (ringworm) like mom always insisted.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
17. Yeah that's the thing
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:47 PM
Jun 2018

If you shower at home with soap why would you need to do it again before swimming?

When I showered before the pool it was just a rinse, because I was already showered at home.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
20. Our local pool says
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 05:29 PM
Jun 2018

It's to wash off tanning oil and keep it from making the pool chemicals work harder, but they have a hard time keeping the pool looking good. Nobody really follows the rule. We have showers in the bathrooms in stalls and an open shower head beside the main pool entrance.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
23. Yeah me too.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:38 PM
Jun 2018

This guy was a total douche. And whoever called the cops is a moron. Most likely racist too.

BUT, from my own experience some people just like to take on over stupid shit like that.

And this idiot in the stripey shirt is one of them. Nothing better to do.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
8. Intrusive busy body hall monitor mentality paired with racism
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:18 PM
Jun 2018

When combined produces de-humanizing episodes like this. Shameful.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
9. Every public pool I know of around here requires bathers to shower before getting in the pool.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:23 PM
Jun 2018

I know it's required at our pool where I live and at the swim club where I occasionally go with one relative and at the country club where I went to a pool party last year. Unless this woman was singled out and others were allowed to enter the pool without showering, her claim of racism is nonsense. I couldn't swear to it, but I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't heath dept codes requiring showers in most places.

If she was singled out, that's another matter entirely.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
11. The article notes that in the video from when talking to hotel staff
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:28 PM
Jun 2018

an off camera voice said that the guy didn't ask anybody else. The veracity of that I obviously can't confirm.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
13. Please actually read the article and watch the video.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jun 2018

This was just some random dude who came up to them and LIED about working for the health department. He could have been a pervert for all they know. THEY WERE SINGLED OUT. There were others at the pool area. This guy was harassing a mother and child about whether or not they were clean.

Let me repeat, this guy did not work at the hotel. He did not work at the health department. He was not engaged in swimming and appeared to be alone.

It is 2018 not 1818, we don't have to show our freedom papers upon request of any random white man who asks. The police should have been called on this man. Instead, the manager threatened to call the police on the black mom for complaining.

brush

(53,792 posts)
26. He's a racist coward who decided he could pick on a black woman and a girl
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:09 PM
Jun 2018

He wouldn't try that is she was there with her husband.

And the hotel guy was useless in how he handled it.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
10. When you start making up that you're from the health department
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:26 PM
Jun 2018

you kind of lose the benefit of the doubt as to your motives.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
29. I'd have
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:15 PM
Jun 2018

Told him to shut his pie hole, or I would shut it for him.
P.S. please don't poop in the pool.

Rene

(1,183 posts)
15. I haven't been to a public pool in a while...but, in my as we came out of the bathhouse....we always
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:38 PM
Jun 2018

stepped into a shower....stepped into a 'foot bath' and THEN went into the pool. Simple thing...for the good of everyone..simple hygiene shouldn't be a big issue.

brush

(53,792 posts)
28. That's not the issue at all. That racist coward picked on a...
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:10 PM
Jun 2018

black woman and a girl.

He wouldn't dare try that on a man.

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