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Rightwingers are claiming Obama separated families like this (Original Post) SHRED Jun 2018 OP
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #1
No n/t malaise Jun 2018 #2
Absolutely not. liberalmuse Jun 2018 #3
NO, because the GOP would have impeached him over it. CakeGrrl Jun 2018 #4
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #5
No it didn't mcar Jun 2018 #17
As Fox News is my witness, we would have heard of it.....every day. dameatball Jun 2018 #6
The centers were originally used to house Phoenix61 Jun 2018 #7
It happened but not to this scale Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #8
From Vanity Fair Maeve Jun 2018 #9
Why headline it if you don't know? pwb Jun 2018 #10
No! Lunabell Jun 2018 #11
So are they saying the separating families is bad (Obama) or good (Trump) gratuitous Jun 2018 #12
No, not like this. NY_20th Jun 2018 #13
They are just following the lies of their dear leader. lark Jun 2018 #14
Any statement that starts: Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #15
No mcar Jun 2018 #16
Rightwingers are claiming Obama separated families like this. LenaBaby61 Jun 2018 #18
this started with the no tolerance policy AmandaRuth Jun 2018 #19
No treestar Jun 2018 #20
That is what I saw happening. Blue_true Jun 2018 #21
Exactly they were treestar Jun 2018 #23
It must be true. I saw it on the innernets. lpbk2713 Jun 2018 #22

Response to SHRED (Original post)

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
4. NO, because the GOP would have impeached him over it.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:12 PM
Jun 2018

If they could have derailed the Obama presidency, they would have done so.

The Trumpbots are deflecting blame from their Dear Leader.

This was a POLICY, not a LAW, newly crafted by this admin under the guidance of white nationalist Stephen Miller.

They need to show the proof or STFU.

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
7. The centers were originally used to house
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:16 PM
Jun 2018

minors who came here on their own. Obviously not a lot of babies in that group.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
8. It happened but not to this scale
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:16 PM
Jun 2018

In fact if you research the companies running the centers to care for these kids the initial contracts for those cane under the Obama Administration.

What had changed is before, especially in the last part of the Obama Administration, most of these families when caught were processed then released on what was basically a promise to show up later for an immigration hearing. Only a small percentage hadnthe adults arrested, and with those families were split.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
9. From Vanity Fair
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:18 PM
Jun 2018
Like many things Trump tweets, however, the idea that Democrats are responsible for what is happening at the border is nonsense. As the Associated Press notes, the previous “catch and release” policy Trump and his administration cite as the reason for increased border crossings was put into place in 2008 by then-president George W. Bush, and was primarily created to combat the influx of children fleeing to the U.S. from Central American countries due to a surge of child trafficking. Under Trump, however, that policy has changed. In the past, the Office of Refugee Resettlement traditionally placed unaccompanied minors—that is, children who cross the border without a parent—in government-run detention centers. If a parent and a child came together, they would be processed together. In recent months, however, the Trump administration has begun forcibly taking children from their parents—some as young as one year old—and warehousing them in facilities far away from their parents, as if they had crossed the border alone.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/05/trump-blames-his-own-child-separation-policy-on-democrats

Lunabell

(6,089 posts)
11. No!
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:27 PM
Jun 2018

There were some separations that happened when the child was not with their legal guardian.

Nothing like this. This is truly deplorable.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. So are they saying the separating families is bad (Obama) or good (Trump)
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:29 PM
Jun 2018

This specious argument doesn't seem to advance their cause.

Voltaire2

(13,075 posts)
15. Any statement that starts:
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:42 PM
Jun 2018

“Rightwingers are claiming” can be assumed to be false until verified evidence proves otherwise.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
18. Rightwingers are claiming Obama separated families like this.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 07:05 PM
Jun 2018
tRump continues to LIE about the practice of separating children being Democrats faults or a "Democrat Law," which is a DAMN lie. beauregard Sessions implemented a zero tolerance policy, and tRump co-signed that so he can throw raw meat to his deplorable base. tRump can stop separating children from families if he wanted to in a quick second, but he won't. Like I said, he owes THAT to his base of deplorables. tRump and beauguard and that thing Sanders loves what's happening to these children--the thing and beauguard justify it with biblical passages. tRump just loves blaming it on Dems for this whole thing. He can continue his zero tolerance policy which is seen as a "wonderful" thing by him/his deplorables (Yeah, throw those brown #$@^&%$@! into cages, seperate 'em. Arrest 'em) while blaming Dems for it. He sees it as a win-win situation.

‘Zero-tolerance’ policy.

JUSTICE NEWS
Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, April 6, 2018

Attorney General Announces Zero-Tolerance Policy for Criminal Illegal Entry


Attorney General Jeff Sessions today notified all U.S. Attorney’s Offices along the Southwest Border of a new “zero-tolerance policy” for offenses under 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a), which prohibits both attempted illegal entry and illegal entry into the United States by an alien. The implementation of the Attorney General’s zero-tolerance policy comes as the Department of Homeland Security reported a 203 percent increase in illegal border crossings from March 2017 to March 2018, and a 37 percent increase from February 2018 to March 2018—the largest month-to-month increase since 2011.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry


The Trump administration has justified the policy by pointing to an increase in southwest border apprehensions.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions said an "escalated effort" was needed to address a crisis at the southwest border. So Sessions directed the implementation of a new "zero-tolerance" policy to prosecute all illegal entry referrals from the Department of Homeland Security.

When an adult is referred for prosecution, a child traveling with the adult is turned over to the U.S. Health and Human Services Department. That agency is responsible for placing the child with a sponsor as the child’s immigration case is resolved.


From May 6 to May 19, 658 children were separated from their parents due to the zero-tolerance policy, Richard Hudson, an official with U.S. Customs and Border Protection, said during a May 23 Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing.

Prosecutions were rare prior to the Trump administration, partly because they cost a lot of money and are time-consuming, Margulies said. "Previous administrations felt broad use of the 'prosecute-first' option was needlessly harsh," he said.

The fact that previous administrations did not broadly prosecute all illegal entries contradicts Trump’s claim that "we have to break up families."

Some have also conflated the "zero-tolerance" policy with reports of nearly 1,500 immigrant children "lost" by the administration. The government said that in late 2017 it had been unable to reach 1,475 children after placing them with sponsors. But these were children who came alone, not with their parents, and officials said some sponsors are here illegally and don’t want to be contacted by authorities. (We sort out those facts in this story.)

Pres. Obama DID "technically" separate children from their families.

HOWEVER:

There's a HUGE difference between sheltering and holding unaccompanied children (Which numbered in the thousands), or children who you feel are being abused, which is what happened during the Obama administration. They also never to my knowledge LOST any children as what has happened under this current administration. What's happening during this current tRumputin administration is that they're separating children from in tact families, which we know will scar these children/families for life. There are children who haven't seen their parents for very long periods of time and vice versa. tRump can stop scarring these children/their families, but he won't. He continues blaming Dems, and keeping his fellow deplorables happy.

In fiscal year 2013, under the Barack Obama administration, the HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) had as many as 25,000 unaccompanied children in its care across 80 shelters, according to a July 2014 article in Mother Jones.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/child-migrants-surge-unaccompanied-central-america/

AmandaRuth

(3,105 posts)
19. this started with the no tolerance policy
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jun 2018

by sessions and miller. don't let anyone tell you any different

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. That is what I saw happening.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 07:59 PM
Jun 2018

Minors that came unaccompanied by a parent where housed for their own safety until relatives from their home countries could be located. They were not ripped from the arms of their parents.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. Exactly they were
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:09 PM
Jun 2018

Teens who made it in their own.

Lying Donald and wingers conflate it to escape responsibility.

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