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LAS14

(13,783 posts)
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 05:02 PM Jun 2018

What's not to like about ranked choice voting?

Ranked choice voting gives you the power to rank candidates from your favorite to your least favorite. On Election Night, all the ballots are counted for voters’ first choices. If one candidate receives an outright majority, he or she wins. If no candidate receives a majority, the candidate with the fewest first choices is eliminated and voters who liked that candidate the best have their ballots instantly counted for their second choice. This process repeats and last-place candidates lose until one candidate reaches a majority and wins. Your vote counts for your second choice only if your first choice has been eliminated.


http://www.rcvmaine.com/how_does_ranked_choice_voting_work

Maine voted to use this method twice. After the first time, the legislature wanted to postpone it because of concerns about unconstitutionality. It passed again this last election. The idiot governor threatened to not certify the election if it was used (but his certification wasn't necessary.) The legislature may have actually been concerned about constitutionality, I don't know, but no way would LePage be motivated by anything but self aggrandizement.

Why doesn't everyone use this eminently sensible method all the time???
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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
1. It poses a challenge to the two party hegemony
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 05:13 PM
Jun 2018

and creates legitimacy and increases exposure for third parties and independents. Not ideal for either main party.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Better for the less popular of the two main parties
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:19 PM
Jun 2018

than anyone else, which is why Republicans wanted this system in California. In red states they'd fight it tooth and nail.

Its obvious democratic benefits are desirable, but in this dangerous era the other edge of this sword increases the threat of elective sabotage by opponents and of destructive infiltration and takeovers by extremists from the left and right, by kleptocrats, and by hostile foreign states.

All our systems need to serve the will and sovereignty of the people as best possible. Notably, the hostiles who hoped ranked choice would would sabotage the will of Democratic voters in the primaries were disappointed.

unblock

(52,257 posts)
2. Personally I'm a fan, but any voting system has flaws
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 05:29 PM
Jun 2018

There's actually a mathematical proof that no perfect voting system exists: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem

In the case of Maine's system, one flaw is that it's possible for the ideal compromise candidate to be rejected. One candidate can be everyone's number two choice, but no one's number one choice. This candidate would get kicked out on the first round and the winner would be someone most people see as an inferior choice.

That said, I like it because it lets people vote naturally. You can vote for your ideal candidate first without worrying about "throwing away your vote" on an unelectable candidate.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
3. It's too complicated
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jun 2018

Nothing is for free. People have to run these systems. The extra confusion opens up opportunities for hackers, etc.

Voting needs to be as simple as possible.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
9. It has a disenfranchising effect of watering down a citizen's vote.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jun 2018

I don’t believe a proposal of that nature would pass judicial muster.

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