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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:23 PM Jun 2018

How Can World's Richest Man Jeff Bezos Give Back?

From the article:

How Can World's Richest Man Jeff Bezos Give Back? Staffers at the Washington Post Think Decent Wages and Benefits Would Be Good Start....

Amazon CEO, Washington Post owner, and world's richest man Jeff Bezos is notorious for raking in enormous profits on the back of his overstrained and dramatically undercompensated workforce—all the while doing everything he can to avoid paying taxes.


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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/06/14/how-can-worlds-richest-man-jeff-bezos-give-back-staffers-washington-post-think?

Bezos is a 19th century planation owner masquerading as a 21st century citizen.
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How Can World's Richest Man Jeff Bezos Give Back? (Original Post) guillaumeb Jun 2018 OP
Bezos will give back when he dies quartz007 Jun 2018 #1
I doubt that any heirs could spend that much. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #2
Yes, taxes on mega-income are too low quartz007 Jun 2018 #5
And by working the system. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #7
The essence of it, well described. Libertarian, Robber Baron, 21st cent. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #30
Oh that part I have no question will happen. Initech Jun 2018 #8
Imagine instead that fair taxation required Bezos to pay his warehouse guillaumeb Jun 2018 #11
I wish! Initech Jun 2018 #15
He won''t pay a dime in death taxes. former9thward Jun 2018 #28
They just cut the estate tax heavily. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #35
Bezos more resembles the robber barons of the late 1800s. kwassa Jun 2018 #3
And his job creation is creation of mainly non-living wage jobs. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #4
Like the robber barons, he leverages the power that he has. kwassa Jun 2018 #6
true. Thye will bribe Bezos with tax dollars while underfunding infrastructure guillaumeb Jun 2018 #9
and the workers will earn so little they can collect foodstamps .... kwassa Jun 2018 #13
And the 1% and conservatives generally will blame the workers. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #14
And cut tazkcmo Jun 2018 #29
Easy peasy: Good wages, good benefits, adequate numbers of staff. Hekate Jun 2018 #10
WE might think so, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #12
It should be noted that Bezos, like Zuckerburg, Gates, Buffet et al.... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2018 #16
Your conclusion is correct. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #17
Yes, of course my conclusion is correct, and as to the rest of your post...... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2018 #18
It provides a service, and exacts a cost. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #21
Dental care for DiverDave Jun 2018 #19
My oldest works for a Warren Buffet company and they don't offer dental care and only offer Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #25
The technology revolution created a lot of new wealth... kentuck Jun 2018 #20
This assumes good faith and interest in the common good on the part of Bezos. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #22
That is why we, as represented by our Congress, should make it mandatory. kentuck Jun 2018 #27
Agreed. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #32
Starbucks is successful...yet my future daughter in law started a $9.00 per hour. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #24
I don't see Bezos as any worse than the others. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #23
EVERYBODY GETS A CAR...AND... trof Jun 2018 #26
think henry ford instead of grinch. pansypoo53219 Jun 2018 #31
Indeed. Ford paid higher than average wages guillaumeb Jun 2018 #33
That's a modern myth cemaphonic Jun 2018 #36
Bezos has said he will achieve world domination with Amazon. democratisphere Jun 2018 #34
 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
1. Bezos will give back when he dies
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:30 PM
Jun 2018

like all other mega rich people. He will pay death taxes, and his heirs will spend quickly what they inherit.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. I doubt that any heirs could spend that much.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:35 PM
Jun 2018

And there are financial methods of avoiding most estate taxes. Bezos, in my view, is a thief who enriches himself at the expense of everyone else.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
5. Yes, taxes on mega-income are too low
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:43 PM
Jun 2018

But if you notice, Bezos, Gates, Buffet, etc did NOT have Billionaire parents. Those people got rich by themselves.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. And by working the system.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jun 2018

Bezos resembles the Walton founder in his reliance on low wages and harsh working conditions, while cultivating the image of a modern, enlightened employer. Much media coverage focuses on the very few highly paid office professionals while ignoring the conditions in Amazon warehouses.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
8. Oh that part I have no question will happen.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:49 PM
Jun 2018

Have you seen what rich people blow their money on? If they spend faster than they make they could easily do it.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
11. Imagine instead that fair taxation required Bezos to pay his warehouse
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:51 PM
Jun 2018

workers a living wage. That would cause a large boost to the overall economy and other low wage employers would have to raise wages to compete.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
15. I wish!
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:58 PM
Jun 2018

That is very wishful thinking, but the bottom line is that the billionaires don't care. And for them there's no such thing as having too much money. It's not enough they made $600,000,000 last quarter, they need to make $750,000,000 because the other guy made $700,000,000. It's insane and it needs to stop.

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
28. He won''t pay a dime in death taxes.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 07:07 PM
Jun 2018

He will do what Buffet and Gates have done. Create a foundation, run by their children, and leave the money to the foundation.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. And his job creation is creation of mainly non-living wage jobs.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:39 PM
Jun 2018

Amazon has a number of warehouses in the Chicago area, and few of those jobs pay anything near a living wage, while Bezos demands tax breaks.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
6. Like the robber barons, he leverages the power that he has.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:47 PM
Jun 2018

It will take another resurgence of unionization to combat the exploitation. I don't know if this is possible.

Some of the tech billionaires have consciences. Some have none,i.e. Bezos and Jobs. Usually libertarian.

I can't believe all the cities groveling to be the east coast headquarters for Amazon. They are willing to give away everything.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
13. and the workers will earn so little they can collect foodstamps ....
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:54 PM
Jun 2018

and have Bezo's fortune be subsidized by other parts of America's tax payers.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. WE might think so,
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:53 PM
Jun 2018

but the billionaire class does not.

And those good wages would stimulate the economy and grow Amazon as the workers would be able to spend more.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,368 posts)
16. It should be noted that Bezos, like Zuckerburg, Gates, Buffet et al....
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:00 PM
Jun 2018

don't have their billions in stacks of hundred dollar bills sitting in a bank vault somewhere.

Their net worth is directly tied to and a reflection of the share price of the stock they own in the companies they founded.

I am not saying this to defend their positions, not by any means. Bezos is clearly a guy who believes he should not have to pay one red cent more than he has to for anything, from labor to taxes and on, but again, it isn't as if this guy is sitting on a mountain of gold coins like some modern day Scrooge McDuck.

The market, and at the end of the day, that is you and me, could bankrupt Bezos TOMORROW if everyone collectively decided they weren't going to do business with him any longer.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
17. Your conclusion is correct.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:04 PM
Jun 2018

But the economy does not work that way. Amazon undercuts other businesses by offering lower prices, and like WalMart, those low prices rely on low wage workers and also forcing their suppliers to lower their own prices.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,368 posts)
18. Yes, of course my conclusion is correct, and as to the rest of your post......
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:21 PM
Jun 2018

so what?

But the economy does not work that way.
Sure it does. Since the beginning of time.

Amazon undercuts other businesses by offering lower prices,

Exactly, and that, along with the convenience of not having to leave the house to get almost ANYTHING you want, is why their customers continue to do business with them and why they have been successful

and like WalMart, those low prices rely on low wage workers and also forcing their suppliers to lower their own prices.
Yes and no, but OK...again, so what?

The rise and rapid expansion of Wal-Mart, particularly in the south, perfectly parallels the farming real estate crash of the 80's. Wal-Mart was able to buy land for a fraction of it's real worth all across the south in those days while at the same time exploiting the cost saving revolution that had been occurring with international shipping, to wit: the standardized shipping container.

Amazon does not need a 50 acre tract every 40 miles because they have the internet, plus UPS, FED-EX and the USPS to provide mobile storage space for them.

Bezos started out as an online book seller.

Now just about the only things you can't buy at Amazon.com are airplanes and automobiles.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that to change.

Amazon is successful because it provides a service people value and are willing to return to. When that changes, his company will change or go away. Just as with A&P, Sears & Roebuck and all the others that have come and gone before them.


Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
25. My oldest works for a Warren Buffet company and they don't offer dental care and only offer
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:52 PM
Jun 2018

high deductible insurance plans...this is the norm and it needs to change. But Amazon actually pays better.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
20. The technology revolution created a lot of new wealth...
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:12 PM
Jun 2018

People like Bezos thought they should keep it all to themselves.

He could start by doubling the wages and benefits of each and every employee at Amazon. That would be a good start.

Then he could campaign for a huge increase in the amount of taxes he, and people like him, should pay. They could start at 70% and go up.

All the new revenues would go to re-building our country, including the education system.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
22. This assumes good faith and interest in the common good on the part of Bezos.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:19 PM
Jun 2018

And thus far, there is no evidence of any of that.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
27. That is why we, as represented by our Congress, should make it mandatory.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:55 PM
Jun 2018

That they pay a fair share into the progress of our society.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
24. Starbucks is successful...yet my future daughter in law started a $9.00 per hour.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:51 PM
Jun 2018

When business is bad they send them home even if the drove some distance to get there. Amazon pays more than that. What Bezos does is what most companies do...where my husband works the line starts at $9.00 per hour....wake up. we need a higher minimum and to get rid of Trump's tax shit.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
33. Indeed. Ford paid higher than average wages
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 10:03 PM
Jun 2018

because he understood that higher wages promoted economic activity.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
36. That's a modern myth
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:02 AM
Jun 2018

The real reason is that assembly line work was incredibly stressful and taxing compared to other unskilled labor available at the time, and employee turnover was killing his business.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
34. Bezos has said he will achieve world domination with Amazon.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 01:25 AM
Jun 2018

Sounds more like a wall street dictator to me.

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