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Yavin4

(35,440 posts)
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:07 PM Jun 2018

Should the Clinton Campaign sue James Comey for libel?

Is there precedence for this? Is it possible? Yes, it's replaying 2016 all over again, but what happened to Hillary was wrong and it needs to be corrected.


Libel:

1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander, which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue.

https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1153

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Should the Clinton Campaign sue James Comey for libel? (Original Post) Yavin4 Jun 2018 OP
No. democratisphere Jun 2018 #1
They absolutely should, but probably won't. ucrdem Jun 2018 #2
No. Libel would be almost impossible to prove in this instance. Shrike47 Jun 2018 #3
Where did he libel her ? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #4
We don't all agree about that. I think it was a fake scandal that was beyond overblown. StevieM Jun 2018 #15
No. TomSlick Jun 2018 #5
Comey acted against standing policy. Isn't that proof of malice? Yavin4 Jun 2018 #10
No. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #12
Agreed. TomSlick Jun 2018 #19
There's a Clinton Campaign? Iggo Jun 2018 #6
Yes, it has spent over $5 million in the last year according to the FEC. former9thward Jun 2018 #8
Who knew? InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #18
No. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #7
But if Comey acted against policy isn't that proof of malice? Yavin4 Jun 2018 #9
Actual malice means making an untrue statement that the speaker either knows The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #16
No but he violated the Hatch Act and should be prosecuted Takket Jun 2018 #11
How did he violate the Hach Act? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #13
He made a public spectacle of reopening the email investigation Takket Jun 2018 #14
Nobody gets prosecuted under the Hatch Act because it's not a criminal statute. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #17

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
1. No.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:24 PM
Jun 2018

I'm sick of crooks, lawyers and liars. Comey meant well, the speach backfired on its intent. Move on.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
2. They absolutely should, but probably won't.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:30 PM
Jun 2018

Wouldn't be worth the RW firestorm which is just what they need for 2020. Comey deserves much worse and who knows, might get what's coming to him if we're lucky. A libel suit would be like getting a parking ticket after causing a multiple school-bus crash with fatalities. Intentionally.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
4. Where did he libel her ?
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:36 PM
Jun 2018

I believe we all agree her use of a private server was highly inappropriate. We also all believe she lacked criminal intent and therefore she wasn't criminally liable since the relevant statues require intent.

That's essentially what Comey said, albeit much more hyperbolically.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
15. We don't all agree about that. I think it was a fake scandal that was beyond overblown.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:56 PM
Jun 2018

George W. Bush had a private server inside the White House.

And use of private email was very common back then. Who owned the server is not a significant distinction IMO.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
5. No.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:32 PM
Jun 2018

Under New York Times v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964), a libel suit by a public figure requires a showing of actual malice - a practically impossible standard.

Yavin4

(35,440 posts)
10. Comey acted against standing policy. Isn't that proof of malice?
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:44 PM
Jun 2018

Also, he mis-represented the evidence in the investigation.

former9thward

(32,012 posts)
8. Yes, it has spent over $5 million in the last year according to the FEC.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:52 PM
Jun 2018

Presidential campaigns go on for years. Bill Clinton, George Bush and Obama's are all still active and filing reports.

https://classic.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
7. No.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:46 PM
Jun 2018

What he said wasn't libelous; it was his opinion, even if according to accepted DoJ practice he shouldn't have expressed it publicly. Furthermore, since Clinton was a public figure he would have to have acted with actual malice, not just negligently, and that's a nearly impossible standard to meet. Also, since he was exercising his discretion as an official of the government, he (technically the government itself, since he wouldn't be sued as an individual) would probably be immune under the sovereign immunity principle that applies to discretionary decisions made by government agents.

And anyhow, how would one quantify the damages? If his actions provably cost her the election, her damages would probably be the salary and perks she lost on account of not getting the "job" of president, but that salary is peanuts compared to what she's already been making giving speeches.

Yavin4

(35,440 posts)
9. But if Comey acted against policy isn't that proof of malice?
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jun 2018

Also, isn't acting unilaterally show that he was acting as an individual and not as an agent of the government?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
16. Actual malice means making an untrue statement that the speaker either knows
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 12:04 AM
Jun 2018

is untrue or that they made in reckless disregard of the truth. Comey offered his opinion that Clinton was careless by using a private server for her emails, and this was not an objectively false statement of fact. Since, although it was not illegal, it was inconsistent with generally-accepted government practices to use a private server because it made compliance with open records requests more difficult and was also less secure than the government email, Comey's opinion was not even especially out of line. The problem was that he should not have expressed it publicly in the context of announcing that the investigation was closed with no finding that any crime had been committed. But that's not libel.

As to the second point, he was not acting in accordance with DoJ policy (although he, also, did not violate any statute), but he was acting on behalf of the government in his capacity as a government official - arguing that he was acting entirely on his own as an individual would be a pretty tough argument to make. Also, it's never a good idea to sue just the individual if you want a big judgment. You always sue their employer.

Takket

(21,572 posts)
14. He made a public spectacle of reopening the email investigation
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:55 PM
Jun 2018

To hurt Hillary... at least that is the case I would make as prosecutor.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
17. Nobody gets prosecuted under the Hatch Act because it's not a criminal statute.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 12:17 AM
Jun 2018

The worst penalty a federal employee can get for violating it is to be fired, and Comey has already been fired. Sometimes a civil penalty of up to $1,000 can be assessed - but Hatch Act violations are not crimes.

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