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sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:19 PM Jun 2018

The parallel is frightening. History is about to repeat itself.

UNITED STATES
HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM
CENTER FOR ADVANCED HOLOCAUST STUDIES
Children and the Holocaust

Foreword


Well over a million children were murdered in the Holocaust. In addition to
Jewish children, Romani children, institutionalized children, and handicapped children
also were killed. Among Jews, the toll on children was particularly heavy.
Although all
Jews were marked for death, only six–eleven percent of Jewish children survived
versus thirty-three percent of adults. Children, like their families, were persecuted for
racial, religious, or politicalreasons in ghettos; concentration, transit, labor, and
extermination camps; foreign lands to which they escaped, often without their parents;
and in hiding.

Although their young were silenced forever, we can still hear some of these children through the rare bits of writing they left behind. Such is the case with fifteen-year-old Dawid Sierakowiak; an October 1939 entry in his Lodz ghetto diary
notes: “The work at the square was supervised by a single soldier...with a big stick.
Using rude words, he told me to fill puddleswith sand. I have never been so humiliated
in my life as when...I saw the happy, smiling mugs of passersby laughing at our
misfortune.” The last entry in Dawid’s diary, after over three years of grueling decline
into starvation and disease, reads as a deadly premonition: “There is really no way out
of this for us.” Dawid Sierakowiak died in the ghetto in August 1943. None of his family survived.

More often, the words detailing the fates of children came from their murderers. At the end of October 1941, the RomanianMilitary Commander of Chisinau
(Kishinev), Bessarabia, reported to the Military Governor of the province: “I have the
honor to inform you that on October 31 the last major transport of Jews (from the Chisinau ghetto) was dispatched. The orphanage with 38 children, including four still at the breast and the rest from one to six years old, will be evacuated on Monday, the 3rd
of November.” They were sent to Transnistria. Only an echo of their existence
remains.
On September 4, 1942, Chaim Rumkowski, Elder of the Jews in the Lodz
Ghetto, delivered one of the most infamous speeches of his or any other time: “Brothers
and sisters, hand them over to me! Fathers and mothers, give me your children!”


Almost all the Lodz ghetto children under the age of ten were taken away and murdered.

https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20060313-children-holocaust-symposium.pdf#page=5&zoom=auto,-31,729

This is a pdf file you can scroll to page five where this was copied from.


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History is about to repeat itself once again and the children are going to die.

Do not stay silent, next they will come for you.

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The parallel is frightening. History is about to repeat itself. (Original Post) sheshe2 Jun 2018 OP
No it is fucking not going to repeat itself. We are going to stop it. EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #1
I like your spirit..... # RESIST! BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #2
Well it is repeating. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #4
Uh huh! atreides1 Jun 2018 #24
We are not. jmowreader Jun 2018 #36
Despair propaganda? Get it together EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #44
Heck yea onetexan Jun 2018 #41
A Savage Peace on netflix. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #3
I may stream netflix for a short time to watch. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #5
yw. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #12
I can imagine. Sigh. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #13
To hear this same story from Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #6
Those persons being the entire GOP in office sheshe2 Jun 2018 #7
So Agree. Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #18
Yes they are. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #20
You echo a conversation we had in our household just yesterday. The pnwest Jun 2018 #8
I do not credit dotard for brains sheshe2 Jun 2018 #9
PS... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #26
That makes 3 of us ... mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #39
Mahalo for reminding what tragically happened not so long ago Cha Jun 2018 #10
Thank you Kamala and Dianne. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #11
they better have supermajority support to override veto AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #40
so whaat's the plan of actual action? nt msongs Jun 2018 #14
Vote in huge numbers in 2018. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #16
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #15
Sorry to say we are no longer in Obama's time, as much as I wish we were. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #17
Given that Steven Miller has claimed madamesilverspurs Jun 2018 #21
He has a list. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #28
This is no different than the conspiracy theories Rosanne Barr tweets. Much her chagrin, ToxMarz Jun 2018 #19
So sheshe2 Jun 2018 #25
So ToxMarz Jun 2018 #27
Hmmm sheshe2 Jun 2018 #30
It would take about 30 seconds... fleabiscuit Jun 2018 #31
flea!!!! sheshe2 Jun 2018 #33
Lol, you called yourself stupid ToxMarz Jun 2018 #29
No no no no no... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #32
And here ya are again reframing the narrative ToxMarz Jun 2018 #35
... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #37
.... ToxMarz Jun 2018 #38
Let's hope not! George II Jun 2018 #22
Keep going sheshe2 Quayblue Jun 2018 #23
Hey Quayblue. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #34
I am more and more horrified every day. I feel so powerless. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #42
Many of us are discussing this... Sancho Jun 2018 #43

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
1. No it is fucking not going to repeat itself. We are going to stop it.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:21 PM
Jun 2018

And we are going to depose these corrupt genocidal ethnic cleaning asshole Republicans.

sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
4. Well it is repeating.
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:33 PM
Jun 2018

You also must admit the parallel is frightening. Though I must say I like your fire.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
24. Uh huh!
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:26 AM
Jun 2018

Would you care to explain to the rest of us how you're going to convince the f**king Nazi voters that put Trump in the White House and who will vote to re-elect Republicans in November, to change their minds???



jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
36. We are not.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 02:09 AM
Jun 2018

We are going to GOTV and get enough Democratic voters to the polls to outweigh the "fucking Nazi voters that put Trump in the White House."

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
44. Despair propaganda? Get it together
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 10:38 AM
Jun 2018

I am canvassing every weekend. You can too.
I am contacting my senators and rep. You should too.
I am writing letters to the editor at my local paper. You’d should too.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. To hear this same story from
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:37 PM
Jun 2018

one's Great Grand Mother who was able to flee with her two daughters to safety. And to read it once again,yes,there are Persons who would relish this once again in the name of Whiteness.

sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
7. Those persons being the entire GOP in office
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jun 2018

...and most of their supporters. They think white is might when in fact it is fright. So many, mostly white males, under trump are frightened little boys fearing their loss of privilege.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
8. You echo a conversation we had in our household just yesterday. The
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jun 2018

Holocaust and history repeating itself - which led to us discussing what the tipping point would be for us to take our old, creaky asses out to march and riot and protest. We are so dangerously close, and I think there really is a vast, right-wing conspiracy.... And the sinister is becoming so plain to see, it's making me wonder if the shitstain ain't as dumb as he looks, and has been providing brilliant cover for a very well-planned long game.

I hope, with all my heart, that i'm paranoid and afraid and it's not nearly as bad as all that. But it sure feels real to me.

sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
9. I do not credit dotard for brains
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:49 PM
Jun 2018

He is only in it for the money, it is all he cares about...oh an adoration as well.

Nope. I think this is all about his BFF, Putin. Putin wants America destroyed...donnie is his tool.

sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
26. PS...
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:34 AM
Jun 2018
I hope, with all my heart, that i'm paranoid and afraid and it's not nearly as bad as all that. But it sure feels real to me.


I agree and I too am hoping with all my heart.

Thanks, pnwest.

Cha

(297,248 posts)
10. Mahalo for reminding what tragically happened not so long ago
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:54 PM
Jun 2018

to these Children taken by the Nazis.



Thank Goodness for the Democrats ..



sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
16. Vote in huge numbers in 2018.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 12:21 AM
Jun 2018

I mean we all get out and vote and hell yes vote for Democrats. None of this wishy washy protest vote shit. Lives are at stake. All our lives. It is time boys and girls to pull up your pants and fight, vote and protest.


Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
17. Sorry to say we are no longer in Obama's time, as much as I wish we were.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 12:30 AM
Jun 2018

This is a whole new row we are hoeing with Nazis and White Supremacists in the WH.

I ask you to please not insult me by saying that I am screaming at the sky. If we sit back and pretend that what is happening in front of our eyes is not, then we will lose. We need to act and act now.

madamesilverspurs

(15,804 posts)
21. Given that Steven Miller has claimed
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 12:53 AM
Jun 2018

that this heinous policy came from his suggestion, the parallel gains additional chill. If they are allowed to get away with abusing desperate asylum seekers and their children, they will proceed to the next demographic group on their list. And you KNOW Steven Miller has a list.


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sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
28. He has a list.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:40 AM
Jun 2018

And will keep moving down it if we let him, mss. This can't happen.

When I read this, this that happened 70 plus years ago almost to the word is again happening today...it took my breath away and frightened me.

We fight again.

ToxMarz

(2,168 posts)
19. This is no different than the conspiracy theories Rosanne Barr tweets. Much her chagrin,
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 12:47 AM
Jun 2018

and our forums.

what is happening is horrifying and needs to be vehemently opposed and exposed.

BUT:

Almost all the Lodz ghetto children under the age of ten were taken away and murdered.

Yes, but that isn't what is going on, and it diminishes the opposition as over the top extremists to their base (who are winning at the moment you realize).

Smarter not more outrageous I think is a better course.

sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
25. So
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:27 AM
Jun 2018
ToxMarz (1,136 posts)
19. This is no different than the conspiracy theories Rosanne Barr tweets. Much her chagrin,

and our forums.


So correct me if I am wrong. You are comparing me and my OP to Rosanne Barr calling Valerie Jarrett a product of apes? My Op is a conspiracy theory? Are you serious? The post I made is a horrific historic event and it is indeed a parallel to what is happening today.

what is happening is horrifying and needs to be vehemently opposed and exposed.

BUT:

Almost all the Lodz ghetto children under the age of ten were taken away and murdered.

Yes, but that isn't what is going on, and it diminishes the opposition as over the top extremists to their base (who are winning at the moment you realize).

Smarter not more outrageous I think is a better course.


How do you know what is going on, no one else does. A Senator was at first denied entrance into one of the facilities. You picked one sentence out of the Op to focus on. You deny that children are being torn away from their parents, as happened in past history? You deny nursing babies are taken from their mothers, as stated in past history?

Da 'resident has ordered tents built in Texas to house the massive numbers seized from their parents. Texas in the summertime 100 plus degrees. 100 degrees. That is like leaving a child in a hot car, the temperatures rise and children die. Parents are arrested for such abuse and this 'Resident has ordered it. Fact. Children are going to die.

PS: Pssst. I case you do not know it? We have Nazis running the WH. Fact.


So to sum all this up. 1) You compared me to Rosanne Barr. 2) Called me a conspiracy theorist. 3) Lol...You called me stupid.





ToxMarz

(2,168 posts)
27. So
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:35 AM
Jun 2018

I'm saying what I think.

You can think and say what you want.

You seem focused on "whataboutism"

sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
30. Hmmm
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:44 AM
Jun 2018
ToxMarz (1,137 posts)
27. So

I'm saying what I think.

You can think and say what you want.

You seem focused on "whataboutism"



You seem focused on "whataboutism"


What are you talking about and why the aggressive manner toward me?

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
31. It would take about 30 seconds...
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:47 AM
Jun 2018

to find at least 10 instances where US military power was used on US citizens. There's more.

ToxMarz

(2,168 posts)
29. Lol, you called yourself stupid
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:42 AM
Jun 2018
I didn't. Smarter is a very common moniker at the highest levels of any serious endeavor. It is not calling someone stupid, although I'm sure Rosanne would also tweet that I called her stupid if I said the same thing to her.

sheshe2

(83,772 posts)
32. No no no no no...
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:54 AM
Jun 2018

I read you right the first time.

Oh and...

ToxMarz
29. Lol, you called yourself stupid


I didn't. Smarter is a very common moniker at the highest levels of any serious endeavor. It is not calling someone stupid, although I'm sure Rosanne would also tweet that I called her stupid if I said the same thing to her.


And here ya are again comparing me to Rosanne again and yea, ya called me stupid in your so clever way.




ToxMarz

(2,168 posts)
35. And here ya are again reframing the narrative
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 02:08 AM
Jun 2018
AND You called yourself stupid again in your[sic] so clever way. The smartest minds in the world are always trying find ways to do things smarter. That's how they advance. You apparently short circuit at the implication that somehow anything you say can be analyzed, questioned or debated.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
42. I am more and more horrified every day. I feel so powerless.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 08:14 AM
Jun 2018

The frightening thing is that we see where this is going if there is no intervention. We know what we need to do, but what if it doesn't work? That is what scares me.

Thanks sheshe2. We always need to be aware and alert.

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