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DFW

(54,387 posts)
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:21 AM Jun 2018

Congressional Democrats must begin NOW to plan countermeasures, but CAREFULLY

Barring a full-blown dictatorship of the extremist right--not impossible, but they're not ready for a coup d'état just yet--instead of holding "meetings" during an interregnum, our Congresscritters should really be holding their strategy sessions NOW. We need to hit the ground running. Not only will we have a lot of lost time to make up for, but their machinery that was brought to bear after the 2008 election is not only still there, it has been fine-tuned and updated along the way. If you are going to not only terrorize the opposition, but also crap on our own voters and supporters, SOME of them will eventually figure it out and vote for the opposition. That is us.

As for Trump, the rest of the world more or less knows that most of America is against this walking disaster area, but there is no constitutional mechanism in place to recall him rapidly. We can't just call a no-confidence vote, no matter how obvious that no confidence is exactly what most US citizens are feeling right about now. This is not England or Spain. We the People have no way to send him packing tomorrow, even if we hold a national referendum tomorrow, and the results show that a majority of us prefers exactly that he be sent home in a second class UPS freight container.

But we must choose our countermeasures carefully. Under a gerrymandered parliamentary system, the Republican Congress could have just as easily removed Obama from office in 2014, and then Biden two weeks later--and Obama and Biden were actually trying to do GOOD things for the country. They would have been succeeded by Paul Ryan, who clearly was interested in doing no such thing. We must not inadvertently hand the Republicans the tools to wreak even more destruction next time.

If (and I'd like to make that "when" ) we get back into power, some good old-fashioned laws against media monopolies should be brought back into force, so a Sinclair Group can never try to become a monolithic propaganda network again. Truth In Advertising laws should be enforced, too. Fox may enjoy the right to say what they want, but they do not have the right to call themselves a news station when they are no such thing. A Democratic Senate should enact parliamentary rules that forbid a Senate majority leader or Judiciary Committee chairman to hold up a nomination for more than 90 days, whether it be for Ambassador, Cabinet position or judgeship, including the Supreme Court. We need to see the end of deliberate government paralysis occurring merely because the Senate Majority Leader is not pleased with the President's ethnic make-up.

We also need a law saying that citizenship is tantamount to voter registration, and that denying a U.S. citizen the right to vote in the United States is a treasonous action punishable by a mandatory jail sentence. That may make for some crowded prisons at the beginning, but if prison conditions are not to the liking of those who would deny people their right to vote, I'd tell the guilty parties they got off lightly for trying to destroy our country. After all, after having served their time, we'll even let them stay here, and give them another chance.

What we need are countermeasure to the current situation that are so well thought out that they benefit us when we return to power, and cannot hurt us if we should lose it again. We need them because Mitch McTurtle has spent the last ten years working on the exact opposite, and the effects have been rather devastating (in case there is anyone on this board who hasn't noticed).

Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, neither of you are idiots, and certainly know the Congressional ropes better than I ever will. I know you're not listening. But a huge number of your constituents wish you were.

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democrank

(11,094 posts)
1. We've been way too careful.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:24 AM
Jun 2018

We should fight with everything we have....like our lives and our country depend on it.

DFW

(54,387 posts)
2. And for the simple reason that they DO depend on it.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:28 AM
Jun 2018

What if won't work next time. Congressional Democrats need to take up a previously set-out plan of action on day one.

malthaussen

(17,197 posts)
3. The conundrum I cannot see a way past is this:
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:35 AM
Jun 2018

Only by legislation can we eject the vast amounts of undocumented money that are buying our legislators. But since that money is needed for their livelihood, what leverage have we to make them give it up? "The vote" is our sole means, but only a very strange bird indeed would seriously run with the honest intent to remove his own lifeblood.

-- Mal

DFW

(54,387 posts)
4. Over here there is a less-than-ideal solution in place
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:44 AM
Jun 2018

Judges, for example, get a huge tax-free "anti-corruption" bonus. Members of the parliament get hefty pensions with ridiculous perks-
UNLESS they step out of line. Corruption in spite of the perks endangers the whole package, damages them and their party. Some still sell themselves anyway, and some get away with it, but not many, and not as blatantly, and it leaves the perps behind as damaged goods.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
5. Democrats need to fight now like their childrens lives depend on it, because it actually does.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:49 AM
Jun 2018

None of this namby pamby shit, we require gladiators now.

Do not be afraid of their bullshit.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
6. I'm reminded of one of the best articles I've read since the disaster of 2016:
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:53 AM
Jun 2018
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/1/17258866/democratic-party-republicans-trump-election

Sean Illing
I definitely want to get into some of these structural barriers, but let’s be clear about this point you’re making. A lot of people still think there’s some meaningful connection between policy outcomes and voter decisions, but there’s a good bit of political science research to suggest that’s just a fantasy.

David Faris
Right. People just don’t seem to make the connection between policies and the party in power.

So, for example, the Democrats passed Obamacare and gave millions of people heath care, and yet tons of people who benefited from it have no idea what it is or how they benefited. And it’s like that with a lot of policies — voters simply don’t connect the dots, and so they reward or punish the wrong party.

I think the idea that we’re going to deliver these benefits to people and they’re going to be like, “Thank you Jesus, thank you for everything that you’ve done, let me return you with a larger majority next time,” is just nonsense. It’s the wrong way to think about politics.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do things for people, but we’ve got to be serious about how elections are won. And they’re not being won on the basis of policy proposals or policy wins.


Sean Illing
In the book, you say that Democrats are engaged in “policy fights” and Republicans are waging a “procedural war.” What does that mean?

David Faris
The Constitution is a shockingly short document, and it turns out that it’s extremely vague on some key procedures that we rely on to help government function at a basic level. For the government to work, cooperation between parties is needed. But when that cooperation is withdrawn, it creates chaos.


Since the ’90s, when Newt Gingrich took over Congress, we’ve seen a one-sided escalation in which Republicans exploit the vagueness or lack of clarity in the Constitution in order to press their advantage in a variety of arenas — from voter ID laws to gerrymandering to behavioral norms in the Congress and Senate.

Sean Illing
What the Republicans did to Merrick Garland was one of the most egregious examples I’ve ever seen.

David Faris
Right. They essentially stole a seat on the Supreme Court — a swing seat, no less. But they correctly argued that they had no clear constitutional obligation to consider the president’s nominee for the seat. They didn’t violate the Constitution. They violated the spirit of the Constitution. They violated the norms that have allowed these institutions to function normally for years and years.

This is the sort of maneuvering and procedural warfare I’m talking about, and the Republicans have been escalating it for two decades. And they’ve managed to entrench their power through these dubious procedures.

The result is that the structural environment is biased against Democrats and the Republicans have engineered it that way.


Sean Illing
Tell me about some other “dirty” tactics you recommend in the book.

David Faris
I think they should grant statehood to DC and Puerto Rico. Both states have held referenda that endorsed statehood. We have millions of Americans right now who have no representation in Congress.

To me, it’s just unquestionably the right thing to do. We should grant people the representation they want and deserve, and it just happens that doing so would almost certainly send four more Democrats into the Senate, and probably an all-Democratic congressional delegation from Puerto Rico too.

Sean Illing
You also think the Democrats should kill the filibuster, right?


...more at link.

DFW

(54,387 posts)
7. Faris nailed by noting McConnell's evil genius
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 01:16 AM
Jun 2018

"They didn’t violate the Constitution. They violated the spirit of the Constitution."

They took over the Supreme Court on a technicality.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
8. The part I find disheartening but must admit is true is this:
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 AM
Jun 2018

Elections are "not being won on the basis of policy proposals or policy wins." Faris points to the complete cluelessness about policy, how people are impacted by policy and who is responsible for policy. That's maddening but undoubtedly true.

Democrats have been fighting a policy war, while Republicans are fighting a procedural war. As a result, in spite of being batshit crazy, Republicans control all 3 branches of the federal government, a clear majority of governorships and a clear majority of state legislatures.

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