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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan't someone go to court, get a court order for release of children due to 5th and 6th Amendments?
.....Someone go directly to a regional federal court, or to the Supreme Court, and get the children released by court order to parents.. The detention seems to me to be ..........illegal..What crime did the children
commit that causes them to be incarcerated ????
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)brooklynite
(94,585 posts)THAT's simple; they crossed the border illegally. The issue at hand is about how detainees should be processed, vs. how they are.
a kennedy
(29,669 posts)LeftInTX
(25,363 posts)Are they reunited with their parents and deported with them???
From what I'm hearing, the kids are not reunited because they are in the ORR custody and not DHS.
The kids are reclassified as "unaccompanied minors" because the parents were hauled off.
The adult is quickly put on a plane and has no idea where their child is.
To the best of my knowledge DHS is not looking for these kids.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)the country and now face incarceration and deportation. The kids wouldnt have anywhere to go. Absolute BS, but haters and Nazis can rationalize anything.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I think the Nazis reject Asylum, and call it illegal entry. And that is only a misdemeanor, as I understand it.
I really think trump is using this to force construction of if wall, probably wants his name plastered on it.
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)You're welcome to have that opinion, but I don't think any elected official, up to and including Bernie Sanders, would agree.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Otherwise, sorry, but Im not for turning people from North America away, certainly not harshly.
I would be for exchanging them, one for one, for white wingers.
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)They've closed the border checkpoints to asylum-seekers, so they have to cross at some unauthorized point, where they turn themselves in, requesting asylum, and are arrested for crossing illegally. There's a great explanation of the situation here:
TM: Even if they crossed at a legal entry point?
AC: Very few people come to the bridge. The border patrol are saying the bridge is closed. When I was last out in McAllen, people were stacked on the bridge, sleeping there for three, four, ten nights. Theyve now cleared those individuals from sleeping on the bridge, but there are hundreds of accounts of asylum seekers, when they go to the bridge, who are told, Im sorry, were full today. We cant process your case. So the families go illegally on a raftI dont want to say illegally; they cross without a visa on a raft. Many of them then look for Border Patrol to turn themselves in, because they know theyre going to ask for asylum. And under this government theoryyou know, in the past, weve had international treaties, right? Statutes which codified the right of asylum seekers to ask for asylum. Right? Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly says that it is improper for any state to use criminal laws that could deter asylum seekers as long as that asylum seeker is asking for asylum within a reasonable amount of time. But our administration is kind of ignoring this longstanding international and national jurisprudence of basic beliefs to make this distinction that, if you come to a bridge, were not going to prosecute you, but if you come over the river and then find immigration or are caught by immigration, were prosecuting you.
TM: So if you cross any other way besides the bridge, were prosecuting you. But . . . you cant cross the bridge.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)targetpractice
(4,919 posts)... a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions?