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It's "go time" Mr. Mueller (Original Post) SHRED Jun 2018 OP
Like yesterday. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #1
People don't seem to understand. Snackshack Jun 2018 #2
Mueller cannot rid us of tRump. fallout87 Jun 2018 #3
Pretty Much! yuiyoshida Jun 2018 #4
we should all stop counting on Mueller, it's very counterproductive AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #5
Watched a program on gerrymandering Duppers Jun 2018 #6
gerrymandering has zero effect on senate races AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #7
I wouldn't say it has zero impact mythology Jun 2018 #11
Absolutely true. Thanks. Duppers Jun 2018 #12
Yeah videohead5 Jun 2018 #8
Yup. progressoid Jun 2018 #9
A man that's willing to abuse innocent children, kidnap them from their parents and lock them up workinclasszero Jun 2018 #10

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
2. People don't seem to understand.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 12:40 AM
Jun 2018

That is not how it is going to happen. The only way trump gets stopped between now and Jan. is if republicans step up and do something. Meaning Ryan or McConnell have to act (which they won’t). The only way Jan. would possible to do something is if Dems win the House in Nov. and can put some sort of check on trump in Jan. which I don’t think they would be able to act that quickly.

There is no scenario where Mueller puts a stop to trump with out republicans and to get republicans to act Mueller would have to have extraordinary evidence. Evidence so damning that trump looses his base and republicans are left with no choice.

The case in courts now over Emoluments and his foundation are promising but both are months away from any real impact. The only answer is for Dems to win in Nov.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
3. Mueller cannot rid us of tRump.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 12:49 AM
Jun 2018

Impeaching a president is a political act, not a legal one. DOJ rules will not permit Mueller to indict him... and Mueller plays by the book.

Thinking that Mueller has some bombshell that nobody knows about is nothing more than click bait... it's gets everyones hopes up, and that's about it.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
5. we should all stop counting on Mueller, it's very counterproductive
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:23 AM
Jun 2018

there is precisely zero chance of trump’s impeachment or any reduction in his supporters. This November will be our very last chance.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
6. Watched a program on gerrymandering
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:34 AM
Jun 2018

This evening. Scary. The conclusion was that unless we can change the chokehold the rethugs have on the states' districts, we don't have a very good chance in Nov. They said that's unlikely. Sorry to be negative.

We BADLY need ALL people of color to vote, along with all white dems. Our democracy depends on it.

GOTV.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
7. gerrymandering has zero effect on senate races
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:50 AM
Jun 2018

because the entire state gets to vote. If a democrat won a seat in Alabama then a dem can win in Utah and many other (long forgotten by democratic party) states. Senate controls supreme court, mcconnel set the precedent, dems will be under no obligation to even hold hearings on ANY judicial nominees by trump. Courts may strike down gerrymandering practices. There is a little beacon of hope till Novemeber, it’s of no use to despair right now; you’ll have the rest of your life to do so if we miserably fail in midterms which means we deserve to be destoyed as a country (stupidity must be punished).

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
11. I wouldn't say it has zero impact
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:46 PM
Jun 2018

If you have 5 races on your ballot and 4 of them are effectively already decided, it can detract from the incentive to vote. Probably a relatively small impact, but if 1% of votes changed from Trump to Clinton she wins going away.

videohead5

(2,181 posts)
8. Yeah
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:22 AM
Jun 2018

But you have to look at the districts that voted for Hillary over Trump in 2016.I think there is around 22 or 23 that voted for Hillary.there is also a bunch that was close.look at the special election in Pennsylvania where Conor Lamb won.a district that was carried by Trump by 20 points or more in 2016.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
10. A man that's willing to abuse innocent children, kidnap them from their parents and lock them up
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:45 PM
Jun 2018

in dog kennels and the evil GOP party that protects Trump, are not suddenly going to obey the law when Mr Mueller lays out his case, IMO.

We MUST GET CONTROL of the House and I hope the Senate, that will be the ONLY THING that can and will stop the evil fascist madman in the white house!

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