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Wow, Feinstein went there........ (Original Post) sunonmars Jun 2018 OP
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #1
k and R Stuart G Jun 2018 #2
Actucally, the US has a nauseating history of doing this... Behind the Aegis Jun 2018 #3
Thank you. Important to remember those parts of history. They don't excuse Trump. Quite the opposite Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #5
Yup. progressoid Jun 2018 #27
Thank you for the, unfortunately, necessary reminder.. pangaia Jun 2018 #29
Correct. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #32
They promised to make America great again IronLionZion Jun 2018 #36
That is "their" idea of great.... LeftInTX Jun 2018 #42
Also, we did it in 1900's with Filipino chldren dixiegrrrrl Jun 2018 #43
thank you for shining a light on that horrific chapter in this countrys' history. niyad Jun 2018 #56
Jacob H. Smith niyad Jun 2018 #57
Indeed ck4829 Jun 2018 #50
It's suddenly become shockingly appropriate to compare. Hortensis Jun 2018 #4
Yes, indeed! MyOwnPeace Jun 2018 #6
We cannot wait until then. pangaia Jun 2018 #30
Actually I heard it and what she said first was... BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #7
Good for her. I applaud her. Where are the other "leaders"? n/t TheCowsCameHome Jun 2018 #8
You got THAT right!!!!! MyOwnPeace Jun 2018 #9
Dry powder doesn't win battles. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2018 #11
Nobody's keeping their damn powder dry Cha Jun 2018 #15
You have to look around.. our Leaders ARE Speaking OUT!!!!!! Cha Jun 2018 #14
Senator Kamala Harris.. You have to look around but they're there.. Cha Jun 2018 #13
There should be no need to look around TheCowsCameHome Jun 2018 #16
I found them easily enough.. you're just complaining Cha Jun 2018 #17
No, I am not. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2018 #18
They are, the MSM is just not reporting it. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #45
Then let's simply open our eyes and look... LanternWaste Jun 2018 #54
I have to agree with Cowscamehome on this. pangaia Jun 2018 #31
They are. The media is just not covering it. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #46
Cha - don't "kick our own...." MyOwnPeace Jun 2018 #34
And, there's a lot More than just that collection.. I Cha Jun 2018 #35
Of course they are. The media is just not covering it. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #47
They are speaking out. murielm99 Jun 2018 #58
Every Dem senator has cosigned Feinstein's bill wysi Jun 2018 #19
No, but getting in front of a news camera might help. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2018 #20
Kamala was 5 minutes ago. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #38
Mahalo, wysi! Really. Cha Jun 2018 #21
By now signing a bill is a great thing to do. And necessary. pangaia Jun 2018 #33
They united DownriverDem Jun 2018 #23
THIS. SO THIS. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #44
Who says they are not? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #40
Good For Her... Grassy Knoll Jun 2018 #10
But what is being done to stop it? Equinox Moon Jun 2018 #12
Read, print out. DUer Mucifer has posted this a couple of times already Hekate Jun 2018 #24
Maybe it's time to descend upon these facilities, bearing more than signs, like a horde of Dust Bowl mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #41
A Bill DownriverDem Jun 2018 #25
just remember WE didn't weissmam Jun 2018 #22
She said it bdamomma Jun 2018 #26
From your lips to God's ear. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #28
Yes. Couldn't believe she said it Cyrano Jun 2018 #37
I'm so glad she didn't pussyfoot around it! She must be spittin' mad about this situation. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #39
And Ben Sasse (R!) used the word "hostages." lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #48
Kick ck4829 Jun 2018 #49
About time we have a leader with the strength and courage to call it what it is onetexan Jun 2018 #51
I agree with Senator Feinstein Gothmog Jun 2018 #52
Free all prisoners who have children! quartz007 Jun 2018 #53
How long until markbark Jun 2018 #55
The replies are interesting HopeAgain Jun 2018 #59

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
5. Thank you. Important to remember those parts of history. They don't excuse Trump. Quite the opposite
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:15 PM
Jun 2018

Trump represents the worst of US history. He keeps truly awful company.

sheshe2

(83,789 posts)
32. Correct.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:30 PM
Jun 2018

For all the tweets...this is not our America, sadly it is in our history. I am heartbroken once again that we are repeating it.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
43. Also, we did it in 1900's with Filipino chldren
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:10 AM
Jun 2018

American soldiers cheerfully carried out orders to shoot any male child over the age of 10.
they did not spend a lot of time asking for ages.
The surviving children were handled exactly as the American Indians were. Children were kidnapped and hauled off
to white man's schools for re-education.

I really recommend The Imperial Cruise, by James Bradley, for a hard look at how racism was practiced by our Govt.

And now a horrible pogrom is being added to the list.

niyad

(113,336 posts)
57. Jacob H. Smith
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:11 PM
Jun 2018

General Jacob Hurd Smith (January 29, 1840 – March 1, 1918) was a United States Army officer notorious for ordering an indiscriminate retaliatory attack on a group of Filipinos during the Philippine–American War, in which American soldiers killed between 2,500 and 50,000 civilians.[1][2] His orders included, "kill everyone over the age of ten" and make the island "a howling wilderness."[3] Court-martialed for the incident,[1] he was dubbed "Hell Roaring Jake" Smith, "The Monster", and "Howling Jake" by the press as a result.[4]

. . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_H._Smith

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
6. Yes, indeed!
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:18 PM
Jun 2018

This is all just rolling so fast - it is shocking to believe it is happening here - the United States of America.
Remember when that meant something good?

This "MAGA" thing is just SO wrong - and we're watching it happen and we don't have the people to stand up and stop it!!!!!

Come on, DEMS! Yes, you elected representatives of your people. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!

WE need to GOTV - it may be our last chance to save that which we believe TRULY made America great.

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
7. Actually I heard it and what she said first was...
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:18 PM
Jun 2018

"This is the United States of Germa....I mean This is the United States of America.....". I was sucking an Otter Pop and almost gagged when I laughed out loud, "What a Freudian slip!".

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
9. You got THAT right!!!!!
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:24 PM
Jun 2018

Just what I was urging a few "clicks" up!

Where is the moral outrage from our "leaders?"

Perhaps I've missed something (I've been out of the loop for the past few days) but I'd LOVE to see some major headline that would show some serious outrage being demonstrated by our Democratic leadership - not just a "tweet" or "issued statement" - a serious action taken by our "leaders!"

Cha

(297,302 posts)
13. Senator Kamala Harris.. You have to look around but they're there..
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:32 PM
Jun 2018




And, Hillary's tweet on trump's Tearing Families Apart..


And, Gov Cuomo..



TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
16. There should be no need to look around
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:38 PM
Jun 2018

The Dems should be lockstep and in total unison on this matter.

100%, period.

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
45. They are, the MSM is just not reporting it.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:14 AM
Jun 2018

The MSM loves a car wreck, so they cover Shitler 25/7, while Dems step up to podiums, tweet, post and protest with little if any attention from the media.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. Then let's simply open our eyes and look...
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:16 PM
Jun 2018

Things yet happen and people yet speak regardless of whether we ourselves see them or hear them.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
31. I have to agree with Cowscamehome on this.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:26 PM
Jun 2018

I know many here have been complaining that 'none of out leaders are fighting back,' and such.
And of course you are right, it is not true.

BUT there are 192 Dems in the House and 44 dems and indies in the senate.
Plus state reps plus governors, plus, plus...
In my view they ALL need to speak out in some way..

The country should be flooded with their resistance....

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
46. They are. The media is just not covering it.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jun 2018

I remember when the media clamored to get a shot of 3 loony teabaggers protesting on a street corner. But when tens of thousands showed up a few months ago in my red county, along with local Dem representatives, to protest Trump on the anniversary of the Women's March, it got no attention.

But do people blame the for profit media who likes to run click-bait stories about crazy people, like Shitler? No, they blame Democrats!!!





Many people seem to believe if it's not being covered by the media, it's not happening. That is so wrong.



MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
34. Cha - don't "kick our own...."
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:32 PM
Jun 2018

We ARE all fighting for the same thing - an explosion of moral outrage.
I truly appreciate the collection you put together - as I had stated, I've been out of the loop for the past few days - thank you.

But what I'd love to see is an explosion - a massive demonstration - a groundswell of protest against this wholly un-American policy.
We need to take the fight to them - and we need to win.

This is a perfect opportunity - a great place to show moral leadership - and we cannot let the moment pass.

Cha

(297,302 posts)
35. And, there's a lot More than just that collection.. I
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:35 PM
Jun 2018

see our Dems Speaking Out ALL OVER The PLACE.

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
47. Of course they are. The media is just not covering it.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:32 AM
Jun 2018

Because sane people saying sane things is boring. The for profit media needs train wrecks and click bait. That is why they cover Shitler 24/7.

Yet some choose to blame Democrats and accuse them of not speaking out. They apparently believe if the media is not covering it, it must not be happening.




murielm99

(30,745 posts)
58. They are speaking out.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:58 PM
Jun 2018

Not everyone is covering it. They will have no choice but to give more coverage as the outrage grows.

You did say you have been out of the loop.

wysi

(1,512 posts)
19. Every Dem senator has cosigned Feinstein's bill
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:43 PM
Jun 2018

Do you want them to stop by your house and tell you personally?

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
20. No, but getting in front of a news camera might help.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:45 PM
Jun 2018

Anything to stop this latest outrage.

(You can save the snarky comments for the GOP, though)

sheshe2

(83,789 posts)
38. Kamala was 5 minutes ago.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:48 PM
Jun 2018

Not everyone needs to in front of a camera 24/7. I would prefer them getting this done in the chambers.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
33. By now signing a bill is a great thing to do. And necessary.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:30 PM
Jun 2018

BUT, few people in this country even know what those bills are.

The guy who painted my deck last week has absolutely NO IDEA what is happening.... nada !!
You better believe he does now. I told him !

It is the 'marketing,' if you will..terrible term.. I can;t think of the better one...

Yes, get in front of a camera.. get in newspapers, social media, billboards, posters, I don;t know everythning visible.





SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
44. THIS. SO THIS.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jun 2018

All the MSM does is cover Shitler 24/7, while Dems step up to microphones, tweet, post and protest with little if any attention from the media.

And instead of blaming the media, many blame Democrats!!!! Trump and Putin must be so proud.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
24. Read, print out. DUer Mucifer has posted this a couple of times already
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:56 PM
Jun 2018

• The ACLU is litigating this policy in California.

• If you’re an immigration lawyer, the American Immigration Lawyers Association will be sending around a volunteer list for you to help represent the women and men with their asylum screening, bond hearings, ongoing asylum representation, etc. Please sign up.

• Al Otro Lado is a binational organization that works to offer legal services to deportees and migrants in Tijuana, Mexico, including deportee parents whose children remain in the U.S.

• CARA—a consortium of the Catholic Legal Immigration Network, the American Immigration Council, the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services, and the American Immigration Lawyers Association—provides legal services at family detention centers.

• The Florence Project is an Arizona project offering free legal services to men, women, and unaccompanied children in immigration custody.

• Human Rights First is a national organization with roots in Houston that needs help from lawyers too.

• Kids in Need of Defense works to ensure that kids do not appear in immigration court without representation, and to lobby for policies that advocate for children’s legal interests. Donate here.

• The Legal Aid Justice Center is a Virginia-based center providing unaccompanied minors legal services and representation.

• Pueblo Sin Fronteras is an organization that provides humanitarian aid and shelter to migrants on their way to the U.S.

• RAICES is the largest immigration nonprofit in Texas offering free and low-cost legal services to immigrant children and families. Donate here and sign up as a volunteer here.

• The Texas Civil Rights Project is seeking “volunteers who speak Spanish, Mam, Q’eqchi’ or K’iche’ and have paralegal or legal assistant experience.”

• Together Rising is another Virginia-based organization that’s helping provide legal assistance for 60 migrant children who were separated from their parents and are currently detained in Arizona.

• The Urban Justice Center’s Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project is working to keep families together.

• Women’s Refugee Commission advocates for the rights and protection of women, children, and youth fleeing violence and persecution.

• Finally, ActBlue has aggregated many of these groups under a single button.

This list isn’t comprehensive, so let us know what else is happening. And please call your elected officials, stay tuned for demonstrations, hug your children, and be grateful if you are not currently dependent on the basic humanity of U.S. policy.

Update, June 17, 2018: Thanks to readers who updated us with more organizations fighting this policy. Other good work is being done by the following:

• CLINIC’s Defending Vulnerable Populations project offers case assistance to hundreds of smaller organizations all over the country that do direct services for migrant families and children.

• American Immigrant Representation Project (AIRP), which works to secure legal representation for immigrants.

• CASA in Maryland, D.C., Virginia, and Pennsylvania. They litigate, advocate, and help with representation of minors needing legal services.

• Freedom for Immigrants (Formerly CIVIC), which has been a leading voice opposing immigrant detention.

• The Michigan Immigrant Rights Center represents all of the immigrant kids placed by the government in foster care in Michigan (one of the biggest foster care placement states). About two-thirds are their current clients are separation cases, and they work to find parents and figure out next steps.

• The Northwest Immigrant Rights Project is doing work defending and advancing the rights of immigrants through direct legal services, systemic advocacy, and community education.

• Young Center for Immigrant Children’s Rights works for the rights of children in immigration proceedings.

• The Women’s Refugee Commission has aggregated five actions everyone can take that go beyond donating funds.

• And finally, the International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP)—which organizes law students and lawyers to develop and enforce a set of legal and human rights for refugees and displaced persons—just filed suit challenging the cancellation of the Central American Minors program.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/how-you-can-fight-family-separation-at-the-border.html



 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
41. Maybe it's time to descend upon these facilities, bearing more than signs, like a horde of Dust Bowl
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:12 AM
Jun 2018

Era locusts, and DEMAND the release of the captive children?

Think THAT would get their attention?

Obviously, not advocating violence, but ... some 'hey, we're not fucking around' righteous INTIMIDATION ... you know, Malheur-style ... if you follow me ... just might be called for here if this isn't properly addressed ... PROMPTLY.

And I don't mean 50 dumb yahoo's, I mean like 5,000 ... GOOD PEOPLE, on the side of LIGHT.

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
37. Yes. Couldn't believe she said it
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:48 PM
Jun 2018

And no sane human being can deny that that's where we are heading. And we're almost there.

Trump, the Republican Party, and the deplorables will never "get it."

The rest of us already know.

Good for Feinstein. Now we need every Democratic in the House and Senate to echo her words.

Maybe, just maybe, the vast majority of Americans will "get it" before it's too late.

And if most get it, what's to be done? Whatever is necessary.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. I'm so glad she didn't pussyfoot around it! She must be spittin' mad about this situation.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:49 PM
Jun 2018

She's usually so calm and measured with her words. She chooses her words carefully.

If she's thinking Nazi Germany, millions in the country are, too. And around the world.

onetexan

(13,043 posts)
51. About time we have a leader with the strength and courage to call it what it is
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:03 PM
Jun 2018

thank you Ms. Feinstein.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
53. Free all prisoners who have children!
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:14 PM
Jun 2018

What is more important? To punish the criminal or deprive his/her child of a parent?

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
59. The replies are interesting
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 05:11 PM
Jun 2018

Points out we have done this a lot in American history; Took slave children and sold them, took American Indian children and sent them to special schools, and etc.

Maybe we need to stop with this rose colored history as well, so that MAGA won't sound so appealing to people. America has always been one of the most racist nations on Earth.

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