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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs it accurate to describe the refugees as Latino?
Aren't many of the people who live in Mexico, Central and South American a mix of Native American tribes and European ancestry?
Aren't some of the refugees coming into the U.S. on the southern border from other places in the world?
I am aware of the hate toward all non-white people by tripe's base. I was wondering if Native Americans have rights that other groups don't and if anyone is using those rights to help at least a few of the refugees get succor?
Rot in Hell, all of the people responsible for torturing our fellow humans.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Marthe48
(16,975 posts)and not based on actual ancestry. I guess it wouldn't make a difference to the bastards in the white house.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Someone from Brazil is Latino but not Hispanic. Someone from Spain is Hispanic but not Latino.
KelleyKramer
(8,969 posts)Your answer is exactly why I checked this thread
Good point about Brazil
Thanks!
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Culture identity is wonderful and preserves what is fascinating about our diversity.
Decades ago my boss (who happened to be African-American) expressed his displeasure at having to categorize applicants by "race". He said "what are they - dogs???" (To be fair, he had an adorable cocker spaniel that he loved.) I worked in a thoroughly integrated environment and it shaped my life.
This rampant discrimination based on physical appearance/language/culture has to end. Maybe not in my lifetime, but I can hope.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)I posted in case there is any American law that exempts Native Americans from this horrific treatment. Native Americans who live in the U.S.have some legal exemptions such as casino ownership, sale and collection of taxes on cigarettes, for example. So in that vein, I wondered if there might be legal protection for anyone who identifies as Native American, rather than Latino.
I think there should be laws that exempt all human from this horrific treatment. And I wish there was a law against people like trump and sessions ever being born.
I'm glad you told me about your boss. We are all the same species. We can reproduce children with anyone from any race. The same with dog, cat, cattle and horse breeds and other animals-if you put an Arabian horse with an Appaloosa horse, you'll get a baby horse. And so on. Race is an artificial and arbitrary construct.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)What is so difficult about living in harmony? I will never get it.
LeftInTX
(25,371 posts)Well those benefits were yanked, so my kids couldn't benefit.
But sometimes those designations help rather than hurt.
My youngest son was a National Hispanic Scholar. He obtained a full ride scholarship to a local university.
His PSAT scores were too low for National Merit. I think he was in the top 2% and National Merit is top .5%.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)and helped a young woman get a full scholarship based on heritage. And she hated my guts because I was trying to help a single mother with 3 kids, different heritage, get a job when she graduated.
Congratulations to your son. That is a really high score
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)Three countries that had their politics upended by the Reagan Administration during the Iran/Contra Years. So its kinda our fault those Countries are still being run by dictators and gangs.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Marthe48
(16,975 posts)I had the thought that if other nations' tribes could be exempted under any of our laws whatsoever, that maybe some of those poor families could avoid this horror. I posted it in case there is a chance and someone helping the refugee can look, if they aren't already.
The people coming here are refugees, who have travelled long distances in undeveloped land. How in the hell are they supposed to know that America is kidnapping their children? And just like all of the other action by the morons in charge, they don't have a plan. They didn't think ahead of what they'd do with the kids once they stole them. No one looked at the numbers of people coming in, and didn't care if they did.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)But, again, what does this have to do with whether they are Latino or not?
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)n/t
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)When your explanations are not understood, but you're still satisfied.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)First of all, people of Spanish descent are Caucasian, yet on the U.S. census form, they have the Latino designation,which isn't racial, but geographical. Racial as in DNA. I think it is a sneaky way to disenfranchise a whole lot of people. Because in case you haven't noticed, we are headed down a slippery slope where white ancestry is going to get even more preferential treatment in the here and now.
Next, if the refugees coming to the U.S. from Mexico, Central and South America are genetically more Native American than European Spanish, is there any possibility whatsoever that refugees who identify with Native American tribes would be protected from the treatment the refugees are getting? I want everyone in distress to be protected, but let's do what we can and keep chipping away at the core problem.
Another thing is that we should not call the refugees migrants. Another poster said that right now the people trying to get asylum are refugees from violence that the U.S. created in countries in Central America. I don't know if word choice would soften the view of hardcore racists, but it is an idea that should be tried.
I hope this expanded explanation satisfies your question.
LeftInTX
(25,371 posts)My husband is Mexican-American, with 47% Native American DNA, but is not eligible for legal protections as a Native American because he is not part of a federally recognized tribe.
Criteria is very strict:
Furthermore, federally recognized tribes are recognized as possessing certain inherent rights of self-government (i.e., tribal sovereignty) and are entitled to receive certain federal benefits, services, and protections because of their special relationship with the United States. At present, there are 573 federally recognized American Indian and Alaska Native tribes and villages.
Historically, most of todays federally recognized tribes received federal recognition status through treaties, acts of Congress, presidential executive orders or other federal administrative actions, or federal court decisions.
In 1978, the Interior Department issued regulations governing the Federal Acknowledgment Process (FAP) to handle requests for federal recognition from Indian groups whose character and history varied widely in a uniform manner. These regulations 25 C.F.R. Part 83 were revised in 1994 and are still in effect.
Also in 1994, Congress enacted Public Law 103-454, the Federally Recognized Indian Tribe List Act (108 Stat. 4791, 4792), which formally established three ways in which an Indian group may become federally recognized:
By Act of Congress,
By the administrative procedures under 25 C.F.R. Part 83, or
By decision of a United States court.
However, a tribe whose relationship with the United States has been expressly terminated by Congress may not use the Federal Acknowledgment Process. Only Congress can restore federal recognition to a terminated tribe.
The Federally Recognized Indian Tribe List Act also requires the Secretary of the Interior to publish annually a list of the federally recognized tribes in the Federal Register.
https://www.bia.gov/frequently-asked-questions
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)What good information. Not what I wanted for the trump victims, but good to know and for me follow up on.
LeftInTX
(25,371 posts)Must be a member of a US tribe in one of the 50 states.
For instance, Mayan is not a US tribe.
brush
(53,787 posts)Marthe48
(16,975 posts)I wish people's minds were as fluid as language.
shanti
(21,675 posts)where the people looked Asian, but the majority of the people are probably Latino/NA.
JI7
(89,252 posts)came from a similar ancestor which is why native americans/latinos can sometimes have similar features.
cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)For the curious, Mexicali historically had/has a large Chinese population.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_589bcd59e4b09bd304c00a99
I also remember reading a book about colonial populations of Chinese and Filipinos on Mexicos west coast from the late 16th century and on. It was The Making of Asian American History by Erika Lee.
Its unlikely this has anything to do with the people coming from Central America. Well, unless you count this as a modern Chinese Exclusion Act, which it is.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)the racists don't look further.
cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)My stepmom is a die hard Trump supporter, and shes also a first generation Chinese immigrant. She supports Trumps immigration tactics against Latinos and the like because she followed the rules and they didnt. She refuses to believe me that the racists dont care and were all gooks and chinks to them. As much as part of me would relish it, I also hope she doesnt learn the hard way how ugly it can be.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)came to the U.S. in the past, the earlier waves looked down on the subsequent waves. We all have to understand we are in this together. To paraphrase Ben Franklin: if we don't stand together, we're all going to be oppressed separately. I'm a European mix, but all the rabid attacks on vulnerable refugees have me wondering how far tripe will go? Are any of us really safe?
I hope you and your family avoid unpleasantness. My Mom was a die-hard republican and so was my husband's mom. They are both gone, but they both softened their views. Sort of.