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Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 09:20 AM Jun 2018

Stephen Miller designed the plan to snatch migrant children. The NYT now won't run his statements

Stephen Miller designed the plan to snatch migrant children from their parents. The NYT now won't run his on the record statements because it makes him "uncomfortable".

It's more important to NYT to placate white supremacists than to speak the truth about the abuse of children.



The NYT spoke to Stephen Miller on the record with audio and they spiked it because the White House “were not comfortable using the audio...when they found out his voice was going to be on a podcast they were not happy about it. So they asked us not to use it.”




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Stephen Miller designed the plan to snatch migrant children. The NYT now won't run his statements (Original Post) Blue_Adept Jun 2018 OP
NYT: the paper of "erase the record." GreenPartyVoter Jun 2018 #1
Catch and kill? Cracklin Charlie Jun 2018 #5
Isn't this it? Maraya1969 Jun 2018 #7
Quotes from Miller in the NYT jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #16
"to enforce the laws of the United States to stop illegal immigration". . . ET Awful Jun 2018 #22
Yes NT jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #23
A "sacred" obligation? dixiegrrrrl Jun 2018 #24
In New England, it sounds a lot like "the paper of wreck it." (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2018 #19
So the White House publicly says it is Dem wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #2
Anbody think of any reason I shoudn't cancel my subscription? hatrack Jun 2018 #3
I can't think of one. I canceled mine several months ago jrthin Jun 2018 #9
I don't know why they are capitulating. forgotmylogin Jun 2018 #12
Remember, Miller is a former aide to Jeff Sessions. nature-lover Jun 2018 #4
But is anyone really surprised? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2018 #6
Stephen Miller is a racist idiot and I am glad that the NYT is not publishing his lies Gothmog Jun 2018 #8
The tape will pin him down... louis c Jun 2018 #11
Wonder bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #14
Are you fucking kidding me? louis c Jun 2018 #10
Imagine his plan for nursing homes bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #13
Then send it to Washington Post to run it IronLionZion Jun 2018 #15
This is not some sort of top secret commique NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #17
You smear the wrong guys. NYT refuses to run Govt propaganda photos of detention camp kids. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #18
Just who are Sarah Kendzior and Josh Sternberg Jakes Progress Jun 2018 #20
I'm glad they won't run them Dopers_Greed Jun 2018 #21
Kick ck4829 Jun 2018 #25
That's not just news... it's evidence. C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #26
Has Trump become more aggressive and mouthy since Miller came onboard, or has he been Frustratedlady Jun 2018 #27
Miller's been there since the start. Blue_Adept Jun 2018 #28
Must have been hiding behind the Wizard's curtain. I sure don't remember him. Frustratedlady Jun 2018 #29
Meet Stephen Miller, architect of first travel ban, whose words may haunt him Blue_Adept Jun 2018 #31
He sounds like a real beaut. Does he ever smile? eom Frustratedlady Jun 2018 #32
There is room for debate about whether it is good or bad to run that audio RockRaven Jun 2018 #30
A conundrum, for sure jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #33

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
5. Catch and kill?
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 09:36 AM
Jun 2018

Is that what they call it, when the offense comes from a government official?

Or is that just for “celebrities”?

Release the Miller tapes!

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
16. Quotes from Miller in the NYT
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jun 2018

In addition to several quotes from the podcast story online, these are the quotes they used in the story based on the interview they did with Miller:

“The U.S. government has a sacred, solemn, inviolable obligation to enforce the laws of the United States to stop illegal immigration and to secure and protect the borders,” Mr. Miller said in a recent interview. Asked if the images of children being taken from their parents would eventually make the president back down, Mr. Miller was adamant.

“There is no straying from that mission,” he said.

“You have one party that’s in favor of open borders, and you have one party that wants to secure the border,” Mr. Miller said. “And all day long the American people are going to side with the party that wants to secure the border. And not by a little bit. Not 55-45. 60-40. 70-30. 80-20. I’m talking 90-10 on that.”

I'm not sure why the Times wouldn't use his voice in the podcast (they claim it's because they initially recorded the interview for a written story, not a podcast), but the idea that a journalist interviewed someone for an extended period of time (20 minutes? 30? Longer?) and used only a few quotes is standard procedure. It's also standard procedure to save all notes, recordings and other documentation from an interview, so it's there. My last documentary was 43 minutes finished, and we have dozens of hours of unused interview footage.

It would be illuminating to hear Miller's full comments, though, that's for sure.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
22. "to enforce the laws of the United States to stop illegal immigration". . .
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:09 PM
Jun 2018

Last edited Tue Jun 19, 2018, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)

However, that obligation is far less scared, solemn and invioolable when it involves enforcing laws against collaborating with foreign governments to steal an election and undermine democracy. In those cases, we look the other way.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
24. A "sacred" obligation?
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:15 PM
Jun 2018

There's that buzzword again.
Not to mention the sheer hypocrisy of his statement.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
3. Anbody think of any reason I shoudn't cancel my subscription?
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 09:27 AM
Jun 2018

Fucking DONE with these corrupt, craven whores.

jrthin

(4,836 posts)
9. I can't think of one. I canceled mine several months ago
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 09:56 AM
Jun 2018

when they ran the headline "Trump Reinvents the Presidency," placing a positive spin on his cruel and shameless behavior. They know and understand the power and use of words, that's their business, and for them to use those words in that headline told me all I needed to know about the NYT. BTW, my husband and I have not missed that paper one bit.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
12. I don't know why they are capitulating.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jun 2018

Connie can't tweet "NYTimes" without "failing" in front of it. It's not like being nice to him is going to stop that.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
11. The tape will pin him down...
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jun 2018

...and expose all of Sarah, Neilsen and Trump's lies.

That tape is game, set and match on this issue.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
10. Are you fucking kidding me?
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:55 AM
Jun 2018

Every NYT reporter who appears on MSNBC or CNN should be asked about this.

This is earth shattering evidence that the separating of children from their parents was a deliberate policy hatched within the by Trump's inner circle, which he approved.

LET'S HEAR THE FUCKING TAPES.

IronLionZion

(45,452 posts)
15. Then send it to Washington Post to run it
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:21 AM
Jun 2018

or another news source who won't be bullied by the White House

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
17. This is not some sort of top secret commique
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jun 2018

that was leaked to the NY Times that Team Trump is asking them not to run...

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
18. You smear the wrong guys. NYT refuses to run Govt propaganda photos of detention camp kids.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:41 AM
Jun 2018

Because they don't do propaganda. They demand that their own photographers make photos. Or at least free media (as in not under the thumb of Trump).

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
20. Just who are Sarah Kendzior and Josh Sternberg
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:50 AM
Jun 2018

Are the quotes and links in posts 7 and 16 not exactly what this post says does not exist?

Is a correction necessary?

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
27. Has Trump become more aggressive and mouthy since Miller came onboard, or has he been
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:23 PM
Jun 2018

onboard and I missed it?

Just the last couple of weeks, it seems like Trump is nastier and enjoying every minute of it. Between Miller and Ghouliani, it seems his rhetoric and thinking have been affected...more lies...more wrong thinking...more conspiracy...more hate.

Miller seems made to order for a Nazi movie.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
29. Must have been hiding behind the Wizard's curtain. I sure don't remember him.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:28 PM
Jun 2018

Not like now where his ideas are being put in place. Nasty ideas, at that.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
31. Meet Stephen Miller, architect of first travel ban, whose words may haunt him
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jun 2018
Trump senior adviser was at the center of the troubled first attempt, and his comments hint that the new Muslim ban’s underpinnings are one and the same



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/15/stephen-miller-new-trump-travel-ban

RockRaven

(14,972 posts)
30. There is room for debate about whether it is good or bad to run that audio
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:28 PM
Jun 2018

in terms of giving a scumbag a platform/legitimacy/etc versus shining a bright light on a cockroach. And that's a fine debate to have, a necessary one, and there is room for disagreement there.

What it totally beyond the pale is that the NYT buried these recordings AT THE REQUEST OF THE WHITE HOUSE. Making that decision *for that reason* is a betrayal of the public trust and once again demonstrates why the NYT is totally undeserving of its supposed reputation as "the paper of record."

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
33. A conundrum, for sure
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jun 2018

Every reporter not working under cover is ethically obliged to report to a source exactly what the story is and how it might run.

For example, "I'm Jay School, and I'm a reporter for the New York Times. I'm working on a story where we're trying to figure out the genesis of this separation policy and we hope that you can speak on the record for us."

If the source then asks, "Where will this story run?" and the answer is "In our newspaper and online," then that might be construed as the source having given permission only to be quoted (for attribution) in a text-based story.

Because the Daily podcast is new, it may not be in the Times' reporters' regular modus operandi to say something like "Oh, and your quotes might also be part of our podcast if our editors want to highlight this story in that way."

So if that conversation didn't happen, and you later try to get that permission, and permission is denied, an ethical journalist will probably do what the Times did: use the quotes in the manner originally agreed to and for no other purpose.

Sometimes it's amazing the nefarious activities attributed to reporters who sometimes just need a reminder that some part of their jobs has changed, and their initial scripts and actions need to change to meet that new requirement.

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