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Now we have concentration camps for children
still_one
(92,217 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)and the far right...both indifferent to the suffering of people ...even children. They have no heart and no soul.
still_one
(92,217 posts)I think they [made] a bad mistake, said Chomsky, who reiterated that its important to keep a greater evil from obtaining power, even if youre not thrilled with the alternative. I didnt like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trumps on every issue I can think of.
Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trumps election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.
[Zizek makes a] terrible point, Chomsky told Hasan. It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early 30s
hell shake up the system in bad ways.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/
Gothmog
(145,303 posts)Susan Sarandon, Jill Stein and the idiots who post on JPR are very happy
Voltaire2
(13,061 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,864 posts)EllieBC
(3,016 posts)I'm not forgetting what people did to cause all this.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)coming up to another hugely, breathtakingly important election.
Only 139 days away now. isn't it way past time for those who share the progressive goals of the Democratic party yet have failed to vote for Democratic candidates against the Republicans face up to their misuse of their votes and understand the power they have and their responsibility to use it honorably? Some have regretted their mistakes early on and have moved on. But others seem full of denial and (unbelievably) resentful that anyone should be angry at them.
And knowing the enormity of what's at stake, what the hell are those others doing, those who do vote for Democrats but always talk as if they hate to? The ones who continue, knowing they're augmenting Russia's and the GOP's insidious subversion? What are they doing undermining the belief of capricious and weak principled voters in our party?
As we listen to tapes of children crying and feel sick with worry over the advances of fascism, where is the changed behavior that should arise from awareness and bitter regret?
still_one
(92,217 posts)The Democratic party was undermined, and people dissuaded, by constant rhetoric by some of these self-identified progressives, who preached the LIE that there was no difference between the two parties, and encouraged people either not to vote or vote third party.
Well that worked out real well. Every Democratic running for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican, and most of those Democrats were liberal by any standard.
As far as I am concerned those that refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, by either not voting, or voting third party, and show no regret or remorse for those actions, have blood on their hands
samir.g
(835 posts)still_one
(92,217 posts)but we must be vigilant so the purveyors of the LIES that there is no difference between republicans and Democrats is soundly rejected.
I will never forget what Michael Moore's and Susan Sarandon did in 2000"
"THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE GREEN PARTY; In Nader Supporters' Math, Gore Equals Bush"
"Michael Moore, the filmmaker, lambasted the front-runners. ''A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush,'' he said. ''If they both believe in the same thing, wouldn't you want the original than the copy? Wouldn't you want Bush? Sirloin or hamburger? Which would you go for?''
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/15/us/the-2000-campaign-the-green-party-in-nader-supporters-math-gore-equals-bush.html
mcar
(42,334 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)is I see the same kind of talk now...don't know how those posts survive.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)they didn't think they were similar...they didn't like either choice. That is why they stayed home.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)I expect political ignorance in the general population, but Im always a little shocked when one finds it on various political discussion boards. Why express an interest in politics if there is no interest in how they actually work? Why not find out facts instead of relying on Facebook memes or obviously biased and manipulative bullshit? Good information was there. People choose to ignore it. And here we are.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)what you say. We saw it all play out, and we know how the both-parties-corporations propaganda was meant to harm Democrats (edit-laughable that dark money is given a pass...). The JPR types were trying to decide between a Trump or Stein as the peace candidate, LOL. Read the Mueller indictmentsactual facts on how people were lied to about Hillary.
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)Hillary Clinton was the most qualified candidate in the race and was facing a man with known propensities for irrational behavior, narcissism, misogyny, racism, etc...
Hillary along with everyone else including Bernie, Barack Obama, and anyone else who has run and been elected to office is flawed in some ways. To "Stay Home" because a candidate has flaws, is ridiculous and leads to a man like Donald Trump becoming president.
If you don't think the candidate represents you, then GET ACTIVE, get your friends together and lobby, run for your local precinct. Don't sit out and let things happen to you.
Fullduplexxx
(7,864 posts)Gothmog
(145,303 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)They both own Trump's dismantling of our democracy.