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Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 05:00 PM Jun 2018

Claims By Top Voting Fraud Alarmists Dismantled By Judge In Kobach Case

Back in the bush years, the bush DOJ searched for evidence of voter fraud and could not find any. In the Texas voter id case, the state could not provide any evidence of the type of voter fraud that would be prevented by voter id laws. In the other major voter id cases, the state has also been unable to provide evidence of voter fraud and so have had issues in these cases. In the ACLU v. Kobach case, Kobach attempted to manufactured evidence to justify the Kansas voter registration/citizenship law using the same evidence cited by trump as proof of voter fraud and relying on an asshole who used to be on the federal election commission.. The judge had fun pointing out how Kobach's so-called experts were not experts and how they failed https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/kobach-witnesses-judge-opinion

In a 100-plus-page decision knocking down Kansas’ proof-of-citizenship voter registration law, U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson spent some two-dozen pages dismantling the testimonies offered by the so-called experts called by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to defend the law.

She said that “misleading evidence” and “preconceived beliefs about this issue” were the basis of the testimony given by one member of President Trump’s now-defunct voter fraud commission, which Kobach once led. The author of a report Trump allies once touted as evidence of mass voter fraud offered estimates of Kansas non-citizen registration that were “individually flawed and wildly varied,” Robinson said. Additionally, the top researcher at an anti-immigration think tank who argued that the Kobach’s law did not affect voter turnout was not qualified to make such a conclusion, Robinson ruled, excluding large parts of his testimony.

Kobach — as part of a test an appeals court said the district judge should use to evaluate his voter law — needed to prove that voter fraud, and specifically non-citizen registration, was a “substantial” problem in Kansas. The experts he called appeared to be the best options he had to back that claim — and they fell well short of convincing the judge.

“The Court will not rely on extrapolated numbers from tiny sample sizes and otherwise flawed data,” she said.

Hans von Spakovsky is a bush recess appointee to the FEC and is now with the Heritage Foundation. This asshole is cited by trump and the other vote suppressors even though Hans von Spakovsky is a total idiot. I love the way that the judge treated this idiot.
“He later admitted during cross-examination that he had no personal knowledge as to whether or not any of these individuals had in fact falsely asserted U.S. citizenship when they became registered to vote and that he did not examine the facts of these individual cases,” the judge said.

She also picked apart other claims von Spakovsky made about voter fraud based on reports outside of Kansas, and knocked him for failing to correct or supplement his expert report when obvious flaws were pointed out to him during the proceedings.



"The record is replete with further evidence of Mr. von Spakovsky’s bias,” she said.

These so-called experts will now be challenged if they attempt to testify in the future. This opinion really makes me smile
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Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
3. America's No. 1 voter fraud conspiracy theorist goes down in court
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 07:26 PM
Jun 2018

The fact that Kobach was poured out of court makes me so very happy https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-no-1-voter-fraud-conspiracy-theorist-goes-down-in-court/2018/06/19/d043a0d6-73ee-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.4bf63ff5d6c2

Kris Kobach’s collection of sheepskins suggests a pretty big brain to go with his tall, broad-shouldered frame. The right-wing candidate for Kansas governor has degrees from Harvard, Oxford and Yale. But to watch him war with figments of his imagination — a fictional army of fraudulent voters — makes one think of that old ad campaign: A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

On Monday, the chief of the U.S. District Court in Kansas, Judge Julie A. Robinson, popped the bubble of Kobach’s obsession. She ruled, after a lengthy trial, that Kobach, Kansas’s secretary of state, produced no credible support for his theory that large numbers of noncitizens are illegally voting in American elections. Thus, the Kobach-inspired law requiring Kansas voters to provide documentary proof of citizenship is unconstitutional because it imposes the burden without a reasonable justification....

In retrospect, Kobach may be a victim of his own success — or a textbook example of the Peter Principle, which holds that people tend to rise to their level of incompetence. Winning the post of secretary of state in 2010 placed him in charge of Kansas elections, giving him the tools he needed to prove the righteousness of his quest. Like Joseph McCarthy waving his phony list of communists, Kobach reached a point where he had to put up or shut up.

But that’s been just another fizzle. As the judge acidly noted: “Defendant already has prosecutorial authority over Kansas election crimes. Yet, since obtaining this authority .?.?. Defendant has filed zero criminal complaints against noncitizens for registering to vote.”

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
4. Is this not conspiracy to commit vote supression?
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 07:36 PM
Jun 2018

Isn't what he attempted a federal offense?

I know they do it all the time, but this is pretty blatant.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
6. Vote Suppression has been part of the GOP game plan for a very long time
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 07:55 PM
Jun 2018

The GOP is the party of voter suppression. Former CH Rehnquist got his start in GOP politics as a meber of a GOP goon squad in Arizona that challenged non white voters for daring to vote. https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Rehnquist-on-Voting-Fairness-Chief-Justice-2690688.php

In 1962, Rehnquist was the leader of Operation Eagle Eye, a crew of Republican lawyers who roamed precincts in south Phoenix challenging the qualifications of minority voters. Rehnquist's role in the actual interrogation of blacks and Latinos waiting to vote is murky. At Senate hearings on his nominations to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1971 and to the chief's spot in 1986, Rehnquist denied "challenging the qualifications of any voters."

But several witnesses -- including San Francisco lawyer James Brosnahan -- told a different story.

Brosnahan testified at the 1986 hearings that in 1962, when he was an assistant U.S. attorney in Phoenix, he received complaints that GOP operatives were stalling voters at a heavily Democratic precinct by accusing minorities of being unable to read. Some states had long used literacy tests to prevent minorities from voting, but federal law banned the practice in 1964.

The asshole who formed ALEC and founded the Heritage Foundation was clear on this

The GOP has to cheat to win elections

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
5. How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested -- and Utterly Failed
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 07:51 PM
Jun 2018

Again the findings of this judge will be used to attack any future trials where the GOP tries to use lies about voter fraud to justify GOP voter suppression tactics https://www.propublica.org/article/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-kansas-trial

The trial had a significance that extends far beyond the Jayhawk state. One of the fundamental questions in the debate over alleged voter fraud — whether a substantial number of non-citizens are in fact registering to vote — was one of two issues to be determined in the Kansas proceedings. (The second was whether there was a less burdensome solution than what Kansas had adopted.) That made the trial a telling opportunity to remove the voter fraud claims from the charged, and largely proof-free, realms of political campaigns and cable news shoutfests and examine them under the exacting strictures of the rules of evidence.

That’s precisely what occurred and according to Robinson, an appointee of George W. Bush, the proof that voter fraud is widespread was utterly lacking. As the judge put it, “the court finds no credible evidence that a substantial number of noncitizens registered to vote” even under the previous law, which Kobach had claimed was weak......

Richman had played a small but significant part in the 2016 presidential campaign. Trump and others had cited his work to claim that illegal votes had robbed Trump of the popular vote. At an October 2016 rally in Wisconsin, the candidate cited Richman’s work to bolster his predictions that the election would be rigged. “You don’t read about this, right?” Trump told the crowd, before reading from an op-ed Richman had written for The Washington Post: “‘We find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in various close elections.’ Okay? All right?”

Richman’s 2014 study of non-citizen registration used data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study — an online survey of more than 32,000 people. Of those, fewer than 40 individuals indicated they were non-citizens registered to vote. Based on that sample, Richman concluded that up to 2.8 million illegal votes had been cast in 2008 by non-citizens. In fact, he put the illegal votes at somewhere between 38,000 and 2.8 million — a preposterously large range — and then Trump and others simply used the highest figure.....

On the courtroom’s televisions, Kobach appeared, saying Trump’s tweet was “absolutely correct.” Without naming Richman, Kobach referred to his study: The number of non-citizens who said they’d voted in 2008 was far larger than the popular vote margin, Kobach said on the video. The same number likely voted again in 2016.

In the courtroom, Ho asked Richman if he believed his research supported such a claim. Richman stammered. He repeatedly looked at Kobach, seemingly searching for a way out. Ho persisted and finally, Richman gave his answer: “I do not believe my study provides strong support for that notion.”

This one trial put to rest the claim by trump that he won the popular vote.

brer cat

(24,577 posts)
7. Thanks for compiling these, Gothmog.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:08 PM
Jun 2018

They had a chance to "prove" their claims, but they went down in flames. I love it!

Voter suppression will continue, becoming even more frantic as the white majority fades. We need to be educated, and support those who are fighting to keep our right to vote. I believe this is part of Holder's mission and I am thankful we have him on our side.

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