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It seems pretty unlikely that the Democrats can get to 51 Senate votes, with all the red state seats they're defending this year and limited potential pickups (NV, AZ), but I think that taking the Senate majority could be what's necessary to finish Trump.
People always comment that impeachment isn't relevant because there would never be enough Republicans to get to the 67 votes needed to convict. But, I think it's actually 51 votes that matters, not 67.
If the Democrats can take control of the House, the House could vote to impeach. But, that doesn't really matter unless there are 51 Senators who then vote to hold an impeachment trial, that would be presided over by John Roberts. Both Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson had the House vote to impeach them, but both times the majority of the Senate voted NOT to hold a trial and it ended there.
If the Democrats had 51 votes in the Senate, Trump and the Republicans couldn't stop the trial from proceeding. They wouldn't be able to suppress evidence. The Democratic majority on the committees could bring everything forward in public hearings, unless the presiding judge (Roberts) ruled for some reason that lines of inquiry were inappropriate. The Republicans would be powerless to stop it. Trump would surely be called to testify.
After proceedings that could be wide ranging, at the Democrats' discretion, they would need to get 67 votes to remove Trump from office. But, if there were truly wide ranging public hearings, Trump could be so damaged that enough Republicans did vote to convict, or if not, their party could be shattered for the 2020 elections, for the type of wave that could really undo gerrymandering after the census.
Getting to a Senate majority in 2018 seems unlikely, but its consequences could be massive.
sandensea
(21,639 posts)He's just as complicit (through his brother Ed - a Putin asset), and even more extreme.
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)And I think if things got so bad that Trump was removed from office, the chance of Pence being elected would be pretty much nil. There's a good chance he wouldn't even be the 2020 Republican nominee.
mythology
(9,527 posts)sandensea
(21,639 posts)My fear is that, once Cheeto is removed, Big Media would go out of its way to present Sir Fetus Funeral as a "breath of fresh air" and "return to normalcy."
It's almost as if Hitler had been succeeded by Himmler, and the Allies had signed off on that as an "acceptable compromise."
Raster
(20,998 posts)...it would be the kiss of death for the Republicans in the Senate because their complicity could be on display for the entire country to see.
First, We need to take back the House.
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)of bolstering Democratic prospects.
This latest child abuse at the border
will be an albatross around every
GOP candidate. And then there's
his mishandled trade policy driving
up prices and trashing markets.
Oh, we could go on. Heckova job,
Trumpstain.
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)I don't think the audio clips of crying kids is having nearly the impact that video would. Trump seems to have ICE pretty locked down so far, where they're trained not to let details out. I wonder if they confiscate workers' cell phones. Some viral video could have an effect like the Abu Ghraib photos and do irreversible damage.
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)We just need one with a heart and a camera phone. I suspect there are many involved who are disgusted and ashamed. They could be heroes.
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)I'd contribute to a crowdfund too
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)We have 5 months of rampant rabid Republicanism ahead of us.
Child abuse as some kind of demented hostage policy? Ending ban on preexisting conditions discrimination and permitting junk insurance again? Taking away funding for old people known as Medicare and Social Security?
Lying about Mexico will pay for the wall?
Just 2 seats?
I like those odds!
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)McCaskill - Missouri
Heitkamp - North Dakota
Donnelly - Indiana
Tester - Montana
Manchin - West Virginia
Those are all difficult seats to hold onto in Trump dominated states and all the seats the Republicans are defending are in states like Mississippi, Texas - except for Nevada and Arizona (which hasn't had a Democratic Senator in forever). To pick up two seats, the Democrats need to flip Nevada and Arizona, but also run the table on ALL the tough seats they're defending.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)We already flipped one!
Stranger things have happened!
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)Most of them are terrible, but I don't know if we'll get the benefit of many more Yosemite Sam pedophiles.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)All we need is two more!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)That ought to do the trick.
The ads write themselves. And you know what the audio will be.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)The talk of local news is that Greitens is trying to get enough signatures to run as an independent in November. Quite a few Republican voters have said that they think he was screwed over by both parties. (He wasn't ;the GOP realized they were better off cutting their loses.)
If Greitens gets his signatures he could split the vote with Hawley in November. Many claim that is his goal :spoil it for Hawley.
Sherman A1 and I have both made comments about signing the damn petition so Claire stays safe.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)On the bright side, Corker's retirement means that a Tennessee flip is possible. With wins in Arizona, Nevada, and Tennessee, we could afford to lose one (but only one) of the endangered Democratic seats.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)If Republicans lose both House and Senate, Senators up for reelection in 2020 will suddenly feel very vulnerable and less willing to defend Trump.
Dan
(3,568 posts)but with the majority, they could force the minority and the nation to face the truth of what he is, what he has done, and if we are lucky why he has done what he been doing. I personally believe that he is on the payroll of Russia. This would also force the GOP to stand for something, or not.
But ultimately, maybe this majority could provide a mirror to the nation - so that we can all see what we have become (you know who you are) under this evil, insane man and his supporters.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Crossing my fingers.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Even if we cant impeach, we can hold hearings on a wide range of issues the GOP has no interest in at the moment.
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)but combining it with a Senate victory could really finish him off.
Books_Tea_Alone
(253 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)They failed to vote to convict, but the trial did, indeed, take place.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Impeachment proceedings were brought against John Tyler, but failed to win sufficient votes to go forward
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)Initech
(100,080 posts)There'd be riots and we'd be the ones locked in cages. They are that stupid and insane. We'd better play it safe for now.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)or we're all dead.
Initech
(100,080 posts)We need to make the republican brand as toxic as they made us. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but when they torture children, all cards are off the table.
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)Apparently, my memory of 1999 isn't as clear as I thought it was and my understanding was off. I should have read up on this before posting. This went on in the Senate for a month and I must have paid less attention than I thought I did.