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mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
1. Nov 2002: Republican House, Democratic Senate.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:17 PM
Jun 2018
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/107th_United_States_Congress

Edit to add more:

Act:. Homeland Security Act 2002. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_Security_Act

Plus if they read the statute that they put in there, it refers to Unaccompanied Minors.

The Trump Administartion's policy is to charge the adult with a felony (and not the child who came across the border with the adult), and thus creating unacccompanied minors, since they cannot determine an appropriate adult to take care of them.

Will this work as food for a rebuttal?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. Wrong, the House and Senate were republican in 2002.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:50 PM
Jun 2018

The Senate went democrat is 2004 and the House went democrat is 2006. In 2008, democrats took big majorities in the Senate and House.

The rebuttal should be that the rightwinger that posted the information is lying, republicans passed that law, and even then it wasn't passed the way Trump is using it. Trump purposely created unaccompanied minors by arresting and taking away the parent(s).

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
13. Senate R from Jan 20 2001 to June 2001.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:06 AM
Jun 2018

Democratic from June 2001 til the end of the 107th Congress in 2003. If this is wrong, then Wikipedia is wrong.

However the right-winger is themselves guilty of actual fake news. The bill was Republican sponsored. Signed into law by George W Bush. And twisted by Donald Jerk Trump.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. Incorrect.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:18 AM
Jun 2018

In the 2002 midterm elections democrats lost a net of one seat, to fall to 48 seats, the republicans held 51. The Senate leader became Trent Lott, prior to the 2002 election, the Senate was roughly split, with democrats having 49 seats plus an independent, Tom Daschle was the senate leader.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
2. Snopes has it covered and rates it FALSE
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:22 PM
Jun 2018


Obscured in the meme was the full title of Public Law 107-296, “H.R.5005 — Homeland Security Act of 2002.” A primary claim of the meme was that the legislation in question was passed “by the Democrats”; in fact, the bill was passed by the 107th Congress in November 2002. The 107th Congress met from 3 January 2001 until 2 January 2003, during which time the September 11th attacks occurred in 2001. On the date of Public Law 107-296’s passage (25 November 2002), Senate.gov provided its majority as Republican, not Democrat:
Majority Party (November 12, 2002 – January 3, 2003): Republican (50 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats)

Other Parties: 2

Total Seats: 100


The bill’s sponsor was Rep. Richard Armey of Texas (a Republican). The bill had 118 co-sponsors, of whom 114 were Republicans and four were Democrats. Neither metric (majority or bill sponsors) indicated the bill was passed “by Democrats.”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-law-family-separation-detention-minors/

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
7. Although Democrats did vote for the Homeland Security bill...
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:34 PM
Jun 2018

...the vast majority of opponents were Democrats. 10 House Republicans voted no. All independents voted no.

This was a Republican law, passed with a Republican majority (but with some Democratic help).

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
12. It was after 9-11...Max Cleland lost his election as did other good Democrats...
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:00 AM
Jun 2018

It is a bad law...another gift from the hysteria surrounding 9-11 where two stupid wars were started and dangerous policies were enacted... fearful Americans were fine with it...the saying attributed to Ben Franklin is appropriate- "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ... Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
5. Think we had the Senate by virtue of Jeffords in at least part of that 2 year session
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:25 PM
Jun 2018

But I could be misremembering time frames ...

Also it says VERY CLEARLY in that law 'unaccompanied'.

We're not up in arms about 'separating' like 16 year olds who show up WITHOUT their parents to begin with. Tell them DUH that's not what the protesting is about! This is about separating CHILDREN who showed up WITH their parents.

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
6. Did you read the policy? They are talking about unaccompanied minors...not kids with their families.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:25 PM
Jun 2018

Trump is ripping kids from the parents and then classifying them as unaccompanied minors...they are no such thing. Today I saw Rachel unable to finish her show as she was weeping and Stephanie Rule was also weeping...this is a policy and the law has nothing to do with it. Trump did this period end of story. He needs to be tried at the Hague for crimes against humanity. They have no way to keep track of these kids...and many will never see their parents again and will grow up in concentration camps...100's of babies placed in tender care...blah blah..fuck Trump and every Republican...this is the way he wants to rev up his base, but we need to come out in a solid blue wave...that wipes Trump and his evil out. We must put up a blue wall of resistance. He is a monster.

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
11. Thank you...I am so upset about this...I can't believe this is my country.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:55 PM
Jun 2018

Trump needs to be tried for crimes against humanity at the Hague along with Sessions and Nielsen.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
8. Just call that facebook troll the cockroach that he is
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 11:34 PM
Jun 2018

Anyone who defends this policy needs to be shouted down and blocked, no "debates" since they're lying pieces of shits and will not converse in good faith.

Sugarcoated

(7,733 posts)
17. Their justification:
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:28 AM
Jun 2018

"Lets say we kept children in the general adult population and even one of them were raped or killed-then what? What if the child isn’t actually with their parent but a sex trafficker posing as their parent? Should we buy them all their own separate houses in exchange for illegally crossing our boarder, I’m sure the homeless US vets would love that idea. The children are safer being separated until they are processed- that’s the reality not reported on propaganda filled CNN."

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
19. They skip a step here
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:51 AM
Jun 2018

The fact that they were taken in the first place.
Asylum seeking is legal.
Crossing the border undocumented is a low level misdemeanor.

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