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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI want a rebuttal to this
2002 we had a Republican President and House correct?
And where did this law come from?
What was the vote?
I want more info to blast a FB user.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Edit to add more:
Act:. Homeland Security Act 2002. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_Security_Act
Plus if they read the statute that they put in there, it refers to Unaccompanied Minors.
The Trump Administartion's policy is to charge the adult with a felony (and not the child who came across the border with the adult), and thus creating unacccompanied minors, since they cannot determine an appropriate adult to take care of them.
Will this work as food for a rebuttal?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The Senate went democrat is 2004 and the House went democrat is 2006. In 2008, democrats took big majorities in the Senate and House.
The rebuttal should be that the rightwinger that posted the information is lying, republicans passed that law, and even then it wasn't passed the way Trump is using it. Trump purposely created unaccompanied minors by arresting and taking away the parent(s).
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Democratic from June 2001 til the end of the 107th Congress in 2003. If this is wrong, then Wikipedia is wrong.
However the right-winger is themselves guilty of actual fake news. The bill was Republican sponsored. Signed into law by George W Bush. And twisted by Donald Jerk Trump.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)In the 2002 midterm elections democrats lost a net of one seat, to fall to 48 seats, the republicans held 51. The Senate leader became Trent Lott, prior to the 2002 election, the Senate was roughly split, with democrats having 49 seats plus an independent, Tom Daschle was the senate leader.
csziggy
(34,138 posts)Majority Party (November 12, 2002 January 3, 2003): Republican (50 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats)
Other Parties: 2
Total Seats: 100
The bills sponsor was Rep. Richard Armey of Texas (a Republican). The bill had 118 co-sponsors, of whom 114 were Republicans and four were Democrats. Neither metric (majority or bill sponsors) indicated the bill was passed by Democrats.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-law-family-separation-detention-minors/
SHRED
(28,136 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)...the vast majority of opponents were Democrats. 10 House Republicans voted no. All independents voted no.
This was a Republican law, passed with a Republican majority (but with some Democratic help).
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)It is a bad law...another gift from the hysteria surrounding 9-11 where two stupid wars were started and dangerous policies were enacted... fearful Americans were fine with it...the saying attributed to Ben Franklin is appropriate- "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ... Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
SHRED
(28,136 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)But I could be misremembering time frames ...
Also it says VERY CLEARLY in that law 'unaccompanied'.
We're not up in arms about 'separating' like 16 year olds who show up WITHOUT their parents to begin with. Tell them DUH that's not what the protesting is about! This is about separating CHILDREN who showed up WITH their parents.
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)Trump is ripping kids from the parents and then classifying them as unaccompanied minors...they are no such thing. Today I saw Rachel unable to finish her show as she was weeping and Stephanie Rule was also weeping...this is a policy and the law has nothing to do with it. Trump did this period end of story. He needs to be tried at the Hague for crimes against humanity. They have no way to keep track of these kids...and many will never see their parents again and will grow up in concentration camps...100's of babies placed in tender care...blah blah..fuck Trump and every Republican...this is the way he wants to rev up his base, but we need to come out in a solid blue wave...that wipes Trump and his evil out. We must put up a blue wall of resistance. He is a monster.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)Trump needs to be tried for crimes against humanity at the Hague along with Sessions and Nielsen.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Anyone who defends this policy needs to be shouted down and blocked, no "debates" since they're lying pieces of shits and will not converse in good faith.
It's a she.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)She's a filthy cockroach, tell her to go to hell.
Sugarcoated
(7,733 posts)keeps saying it was Clinton! who signed it into law...lol
Sugarcoated
(7,733 posts)"Lets say we kept children in the general adult population and even one of them were raped or killed-then what? What if the child isnt actually with their parent but a sex trafficker posing as their parent? Should we buy them all their own separate houses in exchange for illegally crossing our boarder, Im sure the homeless US vets would love that idea. The children are safer being separated until they are processed- thats the reality not reported on propaganda filled CNN."
SHRED
(28,136 posts)The fact that they were taken in the first place.
Asylum seeking is legal.
Crossing the border undocumented is a low level misdemeanor.