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[link:http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/393516-border-agents-question-drivers-about-immigration-status-at-checkpoint-in|]:
U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents held a surprise checkpoint on an interstate in Maine on Wednesday, questioning drivers about their citizenship status.
Drivers on Interstate 95 were stopped by agents and not allowed to continue until they answered questions about their citizenship, the Bangor Daily News reported.
If you want to continue down the road, then yes maam. We need to know what citizen what country youre a citizen of, an agent said Wednesday, according to the newspaper.
When asked about what would happen if a driver didnt answer the question, the agent said the person would only be allowed to continued driving if the agent is pretty sure that youre U.S. citizens.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)whatever that's called
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)And drive immediately to my lawyer, then to the local media. If they made the mistake of taking me into custody, I'd bankrupt them. I realize it's easy for me to say but with all the lawyers in my family and not so much as a traffic ticket on my record, I have no problem bringing the problem into the light.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)You might get a settlement 10 years later, but it would be general fund or insurance that pays.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)so I doubt they'd be beating me and in the meantime, before I got my pile of money, I'd be contacting every single media outlet out there. If they DID beat me, their children would be financing my retirement. We are not powerless and as long as I have breath in my body and a voice, I'll scream from the rooftops.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Qualified Immunity. Google it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The defense of qualified immunity protects "government officials . . . from liability for civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known."
I think the 4th amendment is clearly established as a constitutional right. No warrant? - fuck you and your paper's please bullshit.
mythology
(9,527 posts)The agency has expanded rights 100 miles of any external border. All they need is reasonable suspicion which as we've seen time and again is broadly defined when cops claim fear caused them to shoot somebody.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)will buy that a less and 5 foot white girl scared the cops into shooting me because I wouldn't show them my ID? Let them try it. It's like you want to just give up and let them have their way. I will NEVER give in. NEVER.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)A judge would dismiss the case before it ever had the chance.
And please dont think Im against your opinion. Im very much a civil libertarian, but the deck is stacked in the courts on this.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)ck4829
(35,077 posts)NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)I was kind of thinking about that scene when all this was going on. Then, you went way beyond just thinking about it. Nicely done!
"I think i will live in Montana."
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)zanana1
(6,122 posts)Are they afraid we'll seek refuge in Canada?
DFW
(54,405 posts)My wife, a citizen of Germany, was visiting a friend who lives in Vermont at the Canadian border. They went over to Canada one day for lunch, and on the way back, the idiot from CBP stopped my wife and looked through her passport. This was in early August. He missed her entry stamp (I found it later with little difficulty), and only saw an entry stamp from May when we had popped over to the states for a week for my nephew's college graduation. He demanded to know when she was leaving the country, and she told him the date of her intended departure. He triumphantly said that was one day too long, and she was overstaying her allowed visa-free time.
Being able to think quicker than your average CBP idiot, my wife said, oh, of course, you're right. When I fly home, I will arrive on the date I just told you, but the flights are always overnight and depart the day before. Ah, well, in that case, you are OK, he said, and let her re-enter the USA.
If it had come to a big blow up, one could hope that some awake supervisor would have accepted my wife's claim that she had indeed entered the country in July, and found her July entry stamp. But my point is that CBP (and thus ICE) does not employ the brightest stars in the constellation, and they are not doing this to catch "terrrrrists" or illegals from Latin America (entering through New Brunswick, right) but to let steroid-addled bullies terrorize random people on the road instead of doing other mayhem, such as beating their wives, or whatever else it is they understand as entertainment.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)a border checkpoint in the Adirondacks headed south. Im tooling along and I see this checkpoint way up ahead. Im a little worried that the road is closed, because why would you have a sobriety checkpoint on a deserted highway in the middle of freakin nowhere at 10 in the morning? I get closer and its border patrol. I start to panic, because OMG Im at the Canadian border and I thought I was headed south! But no, its just a checkpoint. Im from PA, border checkpoints are unheard of, so this was a new one on me. Guy was pleasant, wanted a license and asked me where I was going and sent me on my way. Scared the crap out of me, because I couldnt figure out what they wanted.
cally
(21,594 posts)Within US borders, you are stopped and checked. If you are brown, then you are often detained and harrassed. Border agents are rotated so they do not recognize locals (just like east German guards). It is designed to subjugate minorities.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
So, it's kind of weird.
They were all bent with Obama and the border checks down South, but when it comes to them, they're OK with being stopped now? I can't get that sovereign citizen and Libertarian mentality. Unless, it's just a pain they'll endure for ethnic cleansing. He's a guy who lived in Mass and moved to Maine years back.
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