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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 07:30 AM Jun 2018

Border agents question drivers about citizenship status at checkpoint in Maine

[link:http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/393516-border-agents-question-drivers-about-immigration-status-at-checkpoint-in|]:

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents held a surprise checkpoint on an interstate in Maine on Wednesday, questioning drivers about their citizenship status.

Drivers on Interstate 95 were stopped by agents and not allowed to continue until they answered questions about their citizenship, the Bangor Daily News reported.

“If you want to continue down the road, then yes ma’am. We need to know what citizen — what country you’re a citizen of,” an agent said Wednesday, according to the newspaper.


When asked about what would happen if a driver didn’t answer the question, the agent said the person would only be allowed to continued driving if “the agent is pretty sure that you’re U.S. citizens.”

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Border agents question drivers about citizenship status at checkpoint in Maine (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2018 OP
I think our entire state is within their special border jurisdiction eShirl Jun 2018 #1
I'd tell them to stuff it leftynyc Jun 2018 #2
They'd beat you and then claim qualified immunity. NutmegYankee Jun 2018 #9
I'm a small white woman leftynyc Jun 2018 #10
Their children wouldn't finance a thing. NutmegYankee Jun 2018 #11
I know what it means leftynyc Jun 2018 #12
Unfortunately there is a federal regulation that says otherwise mythology Jun 2018 #13
And you think a jury leftynyc Jun 2018 #17
It wouldn't make it to a jury. NutmegYankee Jun 2018 #20
When do we all get our papers? Vinca Jun 2018 #3
Citizenship today... Checking your phone to make sure you're not a 'subversive' tomorrow ck4829 Jun 2018 #4
"No papers? State to State?" NeoGreen Jun 2018 #5
Very Appropriate! ProfessorGAC Jun 2018 #7
Nothing new. beachbum bob Jun 2018 #6
There are border agents in NH too. zanana1 Jun 2018 #8
These guys rarely ever have a clue what they're doing DFW Jun 2018 #14
I Ran Into RobinA Jun 2018 #15
Remember, this has been going on for awhile in Arizona cally Jun 2018 #16
There are YouTube videos of sovereigns who bust Border Agent's balls, refusing to provide their IDs. TheBlackAdder Jun 2018 #19
I spoke to a RW friend about this, and while they like independence, they're cool with being stopped TheBlackAdder Jun 2018 #18
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
2. I'd tell them to stuff it
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 07:40 AM
Jun 2018

And drive immediately to my lawyer, then to the local media. If they made the mistake of taking me into custody, I'd bankrupt them. I realize it's easy for me to say but with all the lawyers in my family and not so much as a traffic ticket on my record, I have no problem bringing the problem into the light.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
9. They'd beat you and then claim qualified immunity.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 09:39 AM
Jun 2018

You might get a settlement 10 years later, but it would be general fund or insurance that pays.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
10. I'm a small white woman
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:21 AM
Jun 2018

so I doubt they'd be beating me and in the meantime, before I got my pile of money, I'd be contacting every single media outlet out there. If they DID beat me, their children would be financing my retirement. We are not powerless and as long as I have breath in my body and a voice, I'll scream from the rooftops.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
12. I know what it means
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:44 AM
Jun 2018

The defense of qualified immunity protects "government officials . . . from liability for civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known."


I think the 4th amendment is clearly established as a constitutional right. No warrant? - fuck you and your paper's please bullshit.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
13. Unfortunately there is a federal regulation that says otherwise
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:50 AM
Jun 2018

The agency has expanded rights 100 miles of any external border. All they need is reasonable suspicion which as we've seen time and again is broadly defined when cops claim fear caused them to shoot somebody.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
17. And you think a jury
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jun 2018

will buy that a less and 5 foot white girl scared the cops into shooting me because I wouldn't show them my ID? Let them try it. It's like you want to just give up and let them have their way. I will NEVER give in. NEVER.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
20. It wouldn't make it to a jury.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 05:06 PM
Jun 2018

A judge would dismiss the case before it ever had the chance.

And please don’t think I’m against your opinion. I’m very much a civil libertarian, but the deck is stacked in the courts on this.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
7. Very Appropriate!
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:42 AM
Jun 2018

I was kind of thinking about that scene when all this was going on. Then, you went way beyond just thinking about it. Nicely done!

"I think i will live in Montana."

DFW

(54,405 posts)
14. These guys rarely ever have a clue what they're doing
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:02 AM
Jun 2018

My wife, a citizen of Germany, was visiting a friend who lives in Vermont at the Canadian border. They went over to Canada one day for lunch, and on the way back, the idiot from CBP stopped my wife and looked through her passport. This was in early August. He missed her entry stamp (I found it later with little difficulty), and only saw an entry stamp from May when we had popped over to the states for a week for my nephew's college graduation. He demanded to know when she was leaving the country, and she told him the date of her intended departure. He triumphantly said that was one day too long, and she was overstaying her allowed visa-free time.

Being able to think quicker than your average CBP idiot, my wife said, oh, of course, you're right. When I fly home, I will arrive on the date I just told you, but the flights are always overnight and depart the day before. Ah, well, in that case, you are OK, he said, and let her re-enter the USA.

If it had come to a big blow up, one could hope that some awake supervisor would have accepted my wife's claim that she had indeed entered the country in July, and found her July entry stamp. But my point is that CBP (and thus ICE) does not employ the brightest stars in the constellation, and they are not doing this to catch "terrrrrists" or illegals from Latin America (entering through New Brunswick, right) but to let steroid-addled bullies terrorize random people on the road instead of doing other mayhem, such as beating their wives, or whatever else it is they understand as entertainment.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
15. I Ran Into
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:03 AM
Jun 2018

a border checkpoint in the Adirondacks headed south. I’m tooling along and I see this checkpoint way up ahead. I’m a little worried that the road is closed, because why would you have a sobriety checkpoint on a deserted highway in the middle of freakin’ nowhere at 10 in the morning? I get closer and it’s border patrol. I start to panic, because OMG I’m at the Canadian border and I thought I was headed south! But no, it’s just a checkpoint. I’m from PA, border checkpoints are unheard of, so this was a new one on me. Guy was pleasant, wanted a license and asked me where I was going and sent me on my way. Scared the crap out of me, because I couldn’t figure out what they wanted.

cally

(21,594 posts)
16. Remember, this has been going on for awhile in Arizona
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:12 AM
Jun 2018

Within US borders, you are stopped and checked. If you are brown, then you are often detained and harrassed. Border agents are rotated so they do not recognize locals (just like east German guards). It is designed to subjugate minorities.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
19. There are YouTube videos of sovereigns who bust Border Agent's balls, refusing to provide their IDs.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:40 AM
Jun 2018

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
18. I spoke to a RW friend about this, and while they like independence, they're cool with being stopped
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:35 AM
Jun 2018

.

So, it's kind of weird.

They were all bent with Obama and the border checks down South, but when it comes to them, they're OK with being stopped now? I can't get that sovereign citizen and Libertarian mentality. Unless, it's just a pain they'll endure for ethnic cleansing. He's a guy who lived in Mass and moved to Maine years back.

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