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DFW

(54,405 posts)
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 05:55 PM Jun 2018

I think Trump inadvertently gave a clue as to what to watch for in the midterms

"On Twitter, the president predicted the GOP would gain seats in the midterm elections, making it easier to get legislation to his liking."

Since EVERY poll indication, including ones by the Republicans, say the opposite is true, at least for the House of Representatives, if the Republicans do indeed gain seats where every logic says they will lose, then our electoral system has indeed been hijacked and is no longer in the hands of the people who cast the votes. All pretense (what there is left of it) will have been proven to have been abandoned.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."--attributed to Stalin.

Should this happen, McTurtle's Soviet States of America will not only have become reality, but blatant, in-your-face reality. The consequences will not be pretty, because the world and the loyal American opposition will be singing the song from the rock opera, "Tommy," "WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT."

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I think Trump inadvertently gave a clue as to what to watch for in the midterms (Original Post) DFW Jun 2018 OP
His meeting with his puppet master is before November, isn't it? CrispyQ Jun 2018 #1
July. Before or after NATO. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #15
That's why it's SO ESSENTIAL to get our MoC RandomAccess Jun 2018 #2
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #3
+300 million flibbitygiblets Jun 2018 #8
I thought basically the same thing this morning thinkingagain Jun 2018 #4
Yes, sounds like he did let that slip again. Kind of like when he said if Hillary R B Garr Jun 2018 #5
Yep! FreeState Jun 2018 #6
Exactly. This is a repeat of the Presidential election. His statements about winning... Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #7
This isn't correct mythology Jun 2018 #30
538? The one that predicted a Clinton win? You miss the point. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #33
Exactly what needs to be the focus! Media has downplaying any interference with actual vote tallies, unitedwethrive Jun 2018 #9
Plus 65,000,000 world wide wally Jun 2018 #10
After Dubya's first election, exit polling was discontinued LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #11
Thanks. I remember this now that you speak of it. flying_wahini Jun 2018 #18
I remember that only too well. Then they started asking why the exit polls were off. WRong Amaryllis Jun 2018 #19
Exit polling is valid only in other countries, where we use it to ensure our favored candidate wins. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #22
What are you talking about? Exit polling still exists. mythology Jun 2018 #31
The booth is rigged. RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #12
if we don't run the table in November, it's end-of-the-line time around here 0rganism Jun 2018 #13
I agree. The far left need to work with us, or get the fuck out of our way. Blue_true Jun 2018 #17
I'm ready, I'm a straight ticket Democrat, just remember "work with us" is a two way thing ck4829 Jun 2018 #25
What is black flag type? New term for me (my life can be sheltered at times) Blue_true Jun 2018 #40
If what he says is going to happen, DOES happen, you can write off Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #14
If we don't turn the Congress in November mountain grammy Jun 2018 #16
The first rule of politics... keep counting keithbvadu2 Jun 2018 #20
Trump message sent Owens Jun 2018 #21
I just read an article this week HurricaneWarning Jun 2018 #23
I had EXACTLY that thought when he said that. Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #24
Kick dalton99a Jun 2018 #26
Do we have to bust up pinball machines? jberryhill Jun 2018 #27
Trump said the same thing before many special elections John Fante Jun 2018 #28
I was thinking the same thing and the FBI is watching him like a hawk right now. nt Quixote1818 Jun 2018 #29
The midterms are not some individual special election DFW Jun 2018 #36
We didn't show up american_ideals Jun 2018 #38
If they try to steal it, it will be the end of the republic. roamer65 Jun 2018 #32
Trump CAN not keep a secret. If he knows Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2018 #34
He sounds just like McConnell. Tatiana Jun 2018 #35
I think preventative medicine is our only option. DFW Jun 2018 #37
Russia. spanone Jun 2018 #39

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
1. His meeting with his puppet master is before November, isn't it?
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:34 PM
Jun 2018

Very little has been done to secure our electoral process. If the dems win, he will claim it was hacked. If they win he will claim the GOP won by the biggest landslide in history–except for his own election, of course. I have never seen the likes of someone so self-absorbed as this man.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
2. That's why it's SO ESSENTIAL to get our MoC
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jun 2018

to support - well, here -- It's a thread, so there's lots more. Cohn is a voting activist and expert on the subject of voting problems (esp. voting machines??) The cool thing about this is that it's a two-fold win: it subverts attempts to rig electronic voting machines AND it's the perfect foil to ward against electronic Russian interference.

Jennifer Cohn @jennycohn1
This is a matter of national security. Tell your MOCs to pass the #PaveAct, @RonWyden’s election security bill, which requires that all voters have the option 2 use #handmarked #paperballots in federal elections & that states conduct Risk Limiting Audits 4 every federal race. 1/



R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
5. Yes, sounds like he did let that slip again. Kind of like when he said if Hillary
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 07:20 PM
Jun 2018

won, it was because the system was rigged, which meant he knew it was actually rigged for him but something fell through if she did wind up winning.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
6. Yep!
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jun 2018

I've been saying similar for a while. What really puts it over the top for me is how quickly Trump has pushed us towards Russian policies and procedures. If the above happens it's likely our country has been overthrown and will never be the same.

Here is to hoping our previous allies have not abandoned us.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. Exactly. This is a repeat of the Presidential election. His statements about winning...
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 07:25 PM
Jun 2018

the polls showing the opposite. Even after Comey's October surprise.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
33. 538? The one that predicted a Clinton win? You miss the point.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 12:23 AM
Jun 2018

Last edited Sat Jun 23, 2018, 12:56 AM - Edit history (1)

W/in margin of error is one thing. But the point is...did the polls show a significant decrease in Clinton's numbers close to the election compared to before the Comey October surprise? No.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
9. Exactly what needs to be the focus! Media has downplaying any interference with actual vote tallies,
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 07:54 PM
Jun 2018

so nothing has been done to allow for verification and integrity of the vote. In my county, for example, just one or two people need to be bribed to look the other way when inserting the memory card from individual precincts and the tally can easily be changed. I wouldn't put it past any repub election official to want to win badly enough to do this.

11. After Dubya's first election, exit polling was discontinued
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:01 PM
Jun 2018

after the poll results substantially disagreed with the official vote.

I remember hearing the polling organization saying its Ohio polls showed most people voted for Kerry, but once that state's returns mysteriously flipped in the middle of the night, the organization said it was "adjusting its poll results to reflect the actual vote."

The returns were consistently showing 54% - 46% Kerry before I went to bed at 1 a.m., when I awoke the result had swapped to 53% - 47% Bush. That's a huge swing! Before they were "adjusted," the exit polls reflected the earlier result, showing Kerry well ahead at the end of the race.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
19. I remember that only too well. Then they started asking why the exit polls were off. WRong
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:35 PM
Jun 2018

questions. Should be asking why the "results" dont match the exit pollls.

22. Exit polling is valid only in other countries, where we use it to ensure our favored candidate wins.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:55 PM
Jun 2018

In that case, exit polling in infallible.

0rganism

(23,957 posts)
13. if we don't run the table in November, it's end-of-the-line time around here
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:09 PM
Jun 2018

personally, i'll be trying to emigrate to Canada before they close the border.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. I agree. The far left need to work with us, or get the fuck out of our way.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:17 PM
Jun 2018

I really love that the DNC devoted $3.5 million to register unregistered POC that are eligible to vote. Couple that with voter education and we have a winning formula, even without the Bernicrats.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
25. I'm ready, I'm a straight ticket Democrat, just remember "work with us" is a two way thing
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:57 PM
Jun 2018

I actually know a black flag type who said he's becoming impressed by Democrats taking on the detention camp crisis... an anecdote sure, but maybe a good sign too.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,107 posts)
14. If what he says is going to happen, DOES happen, you can write off
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:10 PM
Jun 2018

the United States of America. The experiment will be over.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
16. If we don't turn the Congress in November
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:14 PM
Jun 2018

I think it’ll be our last election. The fix is in. It’s gonna take a massive effort. Let’s all be involved in registration drives. Scary times.

Owens

(197 posts)
21. Trump message sent
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 08:49 PM
Jun 2018

He sent a message to all Republicans that the Russians were going to help them win the mid-terms. Not so subtle.

HurricaneWarning

(220 posts)
23. I just read an article this week
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 09:01 PM
Jun 2018

that said the cyber security people were ordered to stand down. Imagine that. I'll try to find it.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
28. Trump said the same thing before many special elections
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:36 PM
Jun 2018

and was later proven wrong. Dial it back with the paranoia, please. It's not healthy.

We show up, we win. Simple as that.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
36. The midterms are not some individual special election
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:40 AM
Jun 2018

Not one special election to date has changed the balance of power--not in the House, not in the Senate, and not on the Supreme Court.

The election of 2016 changed everything. We showed up. We lost. It's that simple.

Lack of vigilance is just as unhealthy as paranoia.

american_ideals

(613 posts)
38. We didn't show up
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 08:30 AM
Jun 2018

Massively low Dem turnout in key states is what turned election to trump.

The Republicans have a two prong electoral strategy: court racists and suppress votes.

Those are the two things the Russians helped with.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
32. If they try to steal it, it will be the end of the republic.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:56 PM
Jun 2018

I see CA, NY and New England secession in our future if it’s stolen.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
34. Trump CAN not keep a secret. If he knows
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 12:41 AM
Jun 2018

Something he will tell. Why can't every Dem led state pass the paper ballot option choice! But he's got his eyes on MN

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
35. He sounds just like McConnell.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:09 AM
Jun 2018
“One of my proudest moments was when I looked at Barack Obama in the eye and I said, ‘Mr. President, you will not fill this Supreme Court vacancy,’” he said to cheers at the annual Fancy Farm Picnic.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mitch-mcconnell-one-of-my-proudest-moments/


How did he know that? Because he knew they were getting help from the Russians to fix it.

And I think you're spot on DFW --- they clearly are going to try to fix the Midterms in the Republicans' favor.

The question is, if they do steal another election, what will we do?

DFW

(54,405 posts)
37. I think preventative medicine is our only option.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:48 AM
Jun 2018

After the midterms, it will be too late to do much of anything.

BEFORE the midterms is when we need to be active. GOTV for every Democrat, because at this point, overwhelming their fraud with numbers too big to be manipulated is the only thing they can't plan for, without stationing armed guards at every poling place, denying every Democrat entrance. They can engineer a 1% swing. They cannot engineer a 5% swing (at least, I hope not).

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