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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan we talk about alcoholism and Anthony Bourdain?
I didn't know Anthony Bourdain, but felt like I did in one small important way. In him, I saw a drinking alcoholic with a front-stage vigorous attempt to do it successfully. His was a fantastic life-embracing show, with drinking taking a prominent role in the joie de vivre, and sometimes that made it hard for me to watch.
When he threw back shots, indeed got wasted, I saw a fellow alcoholic living dangerously whereas most viewers, I imagine, saw a man who knew how to drink, knew how to live. His state of mind will be called depression, and who can argue with that in the wake of his suicide. But can we please, people, start connecting the dots to alcoholism (also a disease of the mind), at least when it is screamingly evident?
Perhaps I should not presume to think I know, but I can at least invite the conversation where it is uncomfortably and amazingly absent. Did alcoholism (which brings depression or ineffectively treats depression) ultimately take down Bourdain?
Alcohol is a drug. Drugs and alcohol remain separate in conversations about addiction, like a bad sister doing outrageous unthinkable things while the good sister quietly nurses a prom hangover and shame from a blackout.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-alcoholism-anthony-bourdain-drinking-suicide-0622-20180621-story.html
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Its a way to blunt the pain.
applegrove
(118,682 posts)Food for thought though.
mitch96
(13,911 posts)I just saw in the news that the French Authorities said he had no drugs in his system accept for a prescribed medication in the therapeutic range.
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applegrove
(118,682 posts)later. Maybe he was being given advice to quit alcohol. Or go on meds for depression and did not want to. I'm sure his mental health professionals have a better picture. None of our business but we public did think we were a part of his adventures and thus his life. Not many public figures so personally lived their lives on camera. I do remember the scene in Sicily when bourdain was diving for seafood as the locals seeded the sea with dead seafood. Anthony's reaction was something to the effect of 'just let me die now' it was so cynical and depressing to him.
Docreed2003
(16,862 posts)The only thing I would say is that take is purely through the lens of his TV shows and not from the perspective of a person who knew Bourdain.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Article coulda been a lot shorter.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)FreeState
(10,572 posts)pbmus
(12,422 posts)Alcoholism....or addiction....
Just watch his first year and his last year....it is obvious....he was an admitted addict...and depression had taken over his life .
I am still personally reeling from his decision but am professionally confident
in my diagnosis ....and wish i could have had a personal relationship
With Anthony
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)monmouth4
(9,708 posts)RIP dear Anthony..
shanny
(6,709 posts)Every alkie I have known is bloated and pasty. Not a dearth of calories but a surplus of useless ones.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Sadly, i know an alcoholic. She is overweight, not morbidly so, but a far cry from the way she used to look.
blue neen
(12,321 posts)Yep.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)He gave up so many of these vices, including smoking after his daughter was born, maybe his drinking didn't register as just another addiction?
Was he a high-functioning alcoholic who slept nights between silk sheets - possessed by the same alcoholic demons haunting skid-row winos?
Ending up more a Hemingway than a Bukowski?
Quite possibly.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)stream of drinking...the many charms of the city and area were mainly overlooked as Tony set off to some farm to drink all day and night...my first realization there was something very wrong,
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Of course, there's just so much you can do with borscht.
Lot of drinking in Ireland, too (haggis).
No drinking in Nambia (raw warthog anus)? Muslim nation?
FreeState
(10,572 posts)I saw the same episode and didn't have the same reaction. When I was there we spent most of our time eating and drinking too (as did a lot of other folks).
eissa
(4,238 posts)So many amazing restaurants in this city and he primarily focused on bars.
I adored Bourdain; have all his books, even managed to get one autographed when he gave a talk in my city. But his drinking always made me raise an eyebrow. Knowing his issues with addiction, I always wondered if his drinking was a substitute for it. The link to depression certainly makes sense. Hope hes at peace now.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Grew up with family alcoholics. He looked like an active alcoholic to me. It was hard for me to watch without wishing someone would rescue him.
irisblue
(32,980 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Thank you for this.
I wasn't familiar with him when he was alive, though one of my sons loved his show. But this article is interesting, in a very sad way.
Recommended.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)but the base problem is still mental illness.
Freddie
(9,267 posts)Now working at a rehab facility doing some counseling (among other things) and hoping to go to grad school for counseling or to be a social worker. He's been taught that if your brain is prone to addiction, it doesn't matter what your "vice" is - opiates, cocaine, alcohol - you will become an addict. Alcohol is just harder to OD on (it takes longer).
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)and depression, and suicide. Outside influences matter. How much is a person supposed to take?
Kaleva
(36,309 posts)"Anthony Bourdain's Addiction Report Card
Anthony Bourdain has been through a series of addictionshow's he doing?
Posted Feb 08, 2014 "
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/addiction-in-society/201402/anthony-bourdains-addiction-report-card
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Bourdain admitted to drug addiction, but Ive seen nothing about him admitting to alcoholism.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)It's nearly irrelevant whether or not Bourdain was an alcoholic.
But there is nevertheless merit to the notion that many former heroin addicts continue to self-medicate with alcohol. It's an issue that chemical dependency clinics deal with all the time. And yes, both alcohol (dependency or) addiction and heroin addiction are part of a DSM dual diagnosis with various kinds of depression, including "alcoholism depression".
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Virtually the entire article was about Bourdain. So while the topic of alcoholism may certainly be worthy of discussion, it's pure speculation as to whether Bourdain even was an alcoholic, much less whether it played any role in his suicide. I just don't see the benefit of injecting him into the discussion when the author clearly doesn't know what role alcohol played in his death if any at all.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Only 9 or 10 are filmed each year.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He probably gave up the drugs and substituted with alcohol. It's pretty common. It sounds like he was a functional alcoholic, but he was still self-medicating an underlying depression. Anyway, it's a very sad story.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)ecstatic
(32,707 posts)pbmus
(12,422 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Thanks for posting.
dvan
(79 posts)Heroin addicts who take up drinking are playing with fire. Substituting one drug for another is just continuing the addiction. Ive seen way too many addicts take up drinking because they thought alcohol was different than other drugs. Most ended up right back where they were before, usually worse. Addiction is a progressive disease. I speak from personal experience. Its not the substance, its the disease of addiction that causes the problems. Think how absurd it would be if you heard someone say, Yeah, Im an alcoholic, but I can use heroin with no problems! Its all the same, street drugs, Rx drugs, alcohol, etc. He was an addict in active addiction.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)And Welcome to DU
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)My father was an alcoholic. He joined AA in the mid 50s, at close to 30 years old, before he was married, and before he had kids. I always said we grew up in AA. He and my mom were very involved, it was a whole social networkmeetings at our house, churches, retreats. He always identified as an alcoholic, even though he never drank. He was sober 50 years.
I saw it though. I had glimpses of my father, the alcoholic. In later years, he had many back and neck surgeries. He was in chronic pain, and I saw the behavior with prescription meds. He could not control it. He would go through a bottle of Vicodin or other pain meds like they were candy. It was pretty bad. He would never admit it to himself, or others. He had a reputation to upholdhe was a respected old-timer and a sponsor to so many.
I loved my father, he was a great, wise, kind man, my liberal lion. But he was more than an alcoholic, he was an addict.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)and we are getting closer to successful treatments....
And Welcome to DU...
Vinca
(50,278 posts)For some reason I can't get past being mad at the guy for killing himself. It makes no sense to me since I didn't personally know the man. Wonder if I've subconsciously associated the booze problems from closer to home with Bourdain. Something to think about.