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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOMG... Hospital spokesman just said
That they were well prepared to handle the victims of the Sikh temple shooting because, "It is not unusual for us to get multiple shooting victims in a single day."
Business as usual.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Sad
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Sad to say, but the raw numbers are an average day in many cities on the wrong side of tracks.
villager
(26,001 posts)"...so we've done the math."
barbtries
(28,811 posts)the spokesperson had said that aloud. but i recall after the giffords massacre when - was it the mayor? - some official actually stated for the record that hate radio and things such as palin's crosshairs had created an atmosphere that encourages such behavior, he was basted pretty hard by the right.
villager
(26,001 posts)..the sad thing is the large herd here in American allowing themselves to be bullied...
barbtries
(28,811 posts)too sad.
Mosby
(16,350 posts)barbtries
(28,811 posts)i just couldn't recall the details.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Most gun violence is not political. I think most of it has to do with baseline criminality. Things like drug disputes, gang wars, and personal beefs, etc., probably account for most gun violence.
Events like the Giffords shooting, Aurora (which probably wasn't political anyway), and the Sikh temple attract a lot of attention precisely because they are out of the ordinary and not indicative of most gun violence. Nobody much cares when a drug dealer gets shot for selling on the a rival's turf, or a man gets shot for having sex with another man's former girlfriend, or when somebody shoots their neighbor for stealing his jewelry to pay for drugs. Those are the kinds of shooting scenarios I imagine this hospital tends to see.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)All you're really saying here is that gun regulation issues are political and a function of the state. That doesn't make shootings political acts.
It's the same with drunk driving. The state decides who gets to have a license, who gets it taken away for DUIs, and how much alcohol you can have in your system while driving. But nobody is going to argue that drunk driving deaths are political simply because the state makes drunk driving laws.
Add to that the fact that many perpetrators of gun violence are already breaking existing laws just by possessing a gun in the first place. Many of them are already felons, or are packing in prohibited areas, or whatever. That actually applies to the driving issue as well. I went to traffic court about 10 years ago and my case wasn't called until the end. I was literally the only person in the room with a valid drivers license.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)Naive is the word that comes to mind..
RZM
(8,556 posts)Public safety issues are political. But killing somebody at a party over a personal dispute is not a political act, regardless of the tool used.
Again, the drunk driving analogy. Determining the BAC content limit is political. Getting behind the wheel after a long night at the bar isn't.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Yes, what could possibly go wrong?
proud patriot
(100,715 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)How utterly sad. What a terrible thing to live with.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)mot urban hospitals would say the same.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)to get needed experience with gun shot wounds.
I am sure some urban hospitals see 3, 4, 5 a night. But this hospital didn't strike me as being downtown or anything.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Into the colloquially known gun and knife club.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Froedert is a bit to the west.
My sister and BIL work at St. Luke's.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)very low-density... but I suppose St. Lukes might not be the closest hospital. It wouldn't be unusual to go to the best trauma center.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Stunning reality.
I admit to living a sheltered life in the rural backwaters. So what the level of violence is in the urban areas now, I have no clue.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)The only way military doctors could learn to treat gunshots was in the civilian sector.
TheMightyFavog
(13,770 posts)IIRC, they were based out of Froedtert. IIRC, the article said Froedtert sees a lot of gang-rleated gun violence from Milwaukee's rougher neighborhoods...
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Bucky
(54,065 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,402 posts)It's all in a day at an American hospital ER.
lastlib
(23,286 posts)The blood is on the hands of the NRA and the craven politicians they've bought off so the gun makers who sponsor them can go about selling their tools of death, as much as it is the shooter's hands. They are the ones who allow this to happen because their profits and their toys are more important to them than the lives of the victims. It has got to end.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)This is a horrible tragedy but you're letting your emotions override your reason.
lastlib
(23,286 posts)If you believe differently, then perhaps your reason is what is being overridden. It must take something bordering on psychopathy to think that possession of inanimate objects takes a priority over human life. Those who have this condition should seek professional help.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)But I didn't say that. Without going over the people who use guns for self defense and what not I'll simply say that I find nothing rational, cogent, or factual with your response. It's reactionary, absurd, and considerably biased towards nothing more than the charachure of gun owners you've created in your mind. Saying people who support our constitutional rights care nothing for human lives is insulting and childish.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)it appears it's a classic example of, " trying to fit a man into a boys coat." And, while we're at it, I'd like to see it ( Constitution) classify me as a whole person and not just 3/5ths.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)...of the "Indio Knife and Gun Club".
Enrique
(27,461 posts)a training ground for the medical profession.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)By emergency room personnel that are in support of our current gun laws.
The people that have to do the repair work on the inner city kids killing other inner city kids, and of course, the toddlers caught in the cross fire, are really fed up with the nation's gun laws.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)as a critical care nurse and it was not unusual then.
JI7
(89,264 posts)postulater
(5,075 posts)That's where they take the worst trauma victims. It's right next to the Medical College of Wisconsin so they have access to all the stuff they need.
Milwaukee has urban probs like any other city but it's not a war zone.
brewens
(13,620 posts)housing project. This was several years ago. A local radio morning show team was making fun of it. The story said deliveries were stopped because of "excessive" gun fire. Your normal every day gun fire was no problem but when it gets excessive, no way!
longship
(40,416 posts)Just OMFG!
Is this sourced?
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)The hospital seems to be the one in the area with the best trauma center, so it isn't surprising, really.
But it's jarring to be reminded.
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Bar-room brawls and domestic arguments aggravated by weekend drinking.
It's mind-boggling what we've come to accept as normal.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)Lot of folks on here argue that there's nothing that can or should be done about it. They come crawling out of the gungeon every time there's a shooting to make sure no one maligns their precious right to be part of a well-regulated militia.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Like any other city, Milwaukee has multiple single-victim violent crimes every day. No doubt that hospital gets its share of stabbings and vehicle accident traumas too.
Initech
(100,102 posts)Sad but true - we live in a culture where the gun is worshipped. It's scary.
sad sally
(2,627 posts)In 2009, guns took 11,493 Americans lives in homicides, 18,375 in suicides and 554 in unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.
Another 66,769 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2009.
Guns were used to kill more than two-thirds of spouse and ex-spouse homicide victims between 1990 and 2005.