They break down the doors of the gungeon at times like this.

Most of the OPs on the subject in GD seem to be advocating more gun control. If the doors to the gungeon are open, they were opened from the outside.

The bait on the OP's hook is just irresistable.

Some days, the gungeon looks like a sanctuary of politeness.

n/t

With the 200,000,000 guns that are already in private hands.

I think the root problem is that we have more maniacs per square foot than other nations. Violence and hatred seem to be in our DNA. RW hate radio eggs on people who aren't that bright to begin with.

But our history is replete with failed attempts at banning things. The only result seems to be an increase in demand and price.

If that worked out well before, let's repeat it.

No, don't tell me.

If you're not familiar with 1994 as being the year in which the Democratically controlled Congress shifted to the Republicans, after 40 years of Democratic control and the rise of the middle-class, you might find it worthwhile to look into it.

On the other hand, save yourself some time. Don't even think about it.

About a congressional mail room scandal.

Cali is a good example, but at the federal level it really was far more that other scandal.

People where I lived were so terrified (out in the country) they voted GOP for the first time, many of them. That ushered in the Gingrich.

It was one of the fewstations with enough watts to get out there and it scared me, although I disagreed, I could see the persuasion. He was on it day after day the summer before the elections.

Keep going how the government would be deciding who was worth living or not and denying them healthcare. Callers were freaked out at Hillary's attempt to expand healthcare. That they'd be getting rid of the old and disabled, like Nazis. I'm not kidding, it was a big thing then.

No one where I lived, which was full of guns were worried about anyone taking their guns away. Most people had a gun rack in the rear window of their pickups, people hunted all the time, others were armed to fight off robbers. When you're that far out, the sheriff will not get there in time to do any good.

So I have to disagree on this. The assault weapons ban may have been a factor in some areas, but not there, where we had all kinds of guns.

New mythology is that the AWB cost democrats the house. It was a small factor, if at all.

Locally it was about the mail room scandal...and yes, Rush and his crap.

AWB and 1994 connection started two years ago, that is hardly 1994

You brought it up. Looks like some sort of agenda.

What happened in 1994 was that some Democrats in leadership positions acted in an undemocratic way and told gun-owning Democratic voters and gun-owning independent voters that they didn't need their votes. That they didn't need to reason with them. That they didn't need to convice them. That they and other gun owners were "gun nuts."

When the Democratic Party controlled Congress for 40 years before losing such control in 1994, we saw the application of Democratic principles that benefited the middle-class. It resulted in the rise of the middle class.

Once again, we have some smarter-than-thou Democrats who don't need to reason with gun-owning Democrats or gun-owning independents. The smarter-than-thou crowd doesn't need their votes. They don't need to convince them of anything. In fact, they can call them "gun nuts" and falsely claim that they represent the NRA. (But some gun-owners are and have been Democrats. Did you know that the current president of the NRA used to be a Democrat and a legislative aide?)

Sarcasm is going to help? Yes, if the smarter-than-thou Democrats don't need the votes of the gun-owning Democrats or gun-owning independents.

I used to think that no matter what Obama had done during the last three years, his election was a sure-thing. Now, with the resurrection of the smarter-than-thou-and-we-hate-gun-owning-Democrats-and-gun-owning-independents crowd, I'm not so sure.

Obama won by 10 million votes 2008 with out the NRA. The NRA and all of those gun nuts will still vote for the governor that actually signed into law an AWB in his state

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internet, where you/someone is butting heads with that "smarter-than-thou" crowd, surely you can perceive my objection to taking everything that happens on the internet at face value. There are trolls and there are double-crossers and there are triple and quadruple crossers. All stimulated by this anonymous environment and superPAC money and by being at a very definite crossroads as a nation in so many different ways.

A word more about that "smarter-tan-thou" crowd, authentic persons OR OTHERWISE: . . . SOME people, who, since you brought it up, may or may not be as-smart-as-some, AGAIN authentically so OR OTHERWISE since we are talking mainly about the internet here, that is, SOME people are way way tooooooooooooooooooo reactive to perceived differences in what is referred to as "intelligence". WHY is that??? Some of that over reaction to the "smarter than thou" crowd is authentic, some of it is coming from those double-triple-quadruple po$$$er$$$$s.

Think of echoes of echoes of echoes . . . here. That's the internet.

So, that means some reactions are authentic reactions from authentic people reacting to authentic people who are making the authentic mistake of thinking that they are "smarter than thou" and some of it is the complete opposite of all of that and then there is also everything in between those two extremes going on too.

The reason all of that is so important is that, because, as you imply, there is a DEAL that needs to be made and the authentic functionality of that deal IS AFFECTED by all of the bullshit being dealt from ALL quarters. The REAL DEAL must, in order to be functional, be made by the REAL people about their REAL issues, not by a bunch of socially, financially, psychologically, emotionally, and politically ambitious operatives operating in secret, because of campaign finance non-transparency and corporate personhood.

All of which brings me to my main, not so "smarter than thou" but definitely paying attention, point:
GUN - OWNERSHIP - ADVOCATES - WANT - THE - REST - OF - US - TO - PRETEND - THAT - NO - ONE - IN - THIS - COUNTRY - IS - INTERESTED - IN - ARMED - INSURRECTION
and it doesn't take very many goddamned smarts at all to know that that is NOT TRUE, especially since the Gun Ownership Advocacy group ran a fracking SECESSIONIST for VP in the last election cycle.

This demonstrates that Gun ownership advocates ARE resistant to policing themselves. They appear to be rejecting the fact that the 2nd amendment places "A well regulated Militia" as the super-ordinate clause upon which "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" IS DEPENDENT. Please count the commas in the original amendment and see what I am referring to and remember that our founding fathers were educated men who, if they weren't "smarter than thou" at least knew what they were doing.

So, tell me how all of the falseness and mis-understanding that is going on between the "smarter than thou" class and gun ownership advocacy can even begin to be breached when it seems more than just a little obvious that the gun ownership advocacy group, despite how much some of us might wish to agree with them/you on what we might be able to agree upon, CANNOT or REFUSES to recognize the presence of a trojan horse in your midst? - i.e. armed insurrection - And yet the gun ownership advocacy group makes ACCEPTANCE of that fact a precondition of getting to any other aspect of the issues.

We're supposed to talk about what we agree upon, without recognizing that the other side's demands are based upon somekind of "right" to wreak, "states' rights" VIOLENCE on this entire nation in the name of something that they clearly demonstrate that they know little or nothing about.

Freedom.

This general belief that seems to be spreading comes from one place - heavily funded NRA propaganda. The arms industry is one of the few strong manufacturing industries left in America. They are increasing exports and marketing the idea to American consumers that they are unsafe and the answer is guns. In their version of America everyone will carry a cell phone and a firearm.

Every time there's a fear event in America, we get played into buying more bullshit.

Combination cellphone and semi automatic handgun..

Sorry, couldn't resist the joke

Combination buttplug and semi automatic handgun..

For those who want to carry in a very concealed location.

eom

like flies to shit.

I need to get 10k rounds of ammo, as a minimum, and guns to fight the men in black with...(Bright light) what were we talking about?

but we will also have a huge group that wants to put the blame solely on the guns and ignore the fact that since the Bushco years, hate and bigotry has been allowed to grow and even encouraged. SInce Obama, they have gone over the edge. Not because of him, but because of the lies and hate directed at him by again, the media and our own govt.

Hate and lies has controlled our media, our govt and our minds.
Add to the pot of hate pushed by the right wing radio and other sources, the dire situations in everyones personal lives, the lack of hope, the despair, and well...
expect more violence.

but it's not the guns, its the gun handlers.

People are going fucking nuts and the real problem is a social one, but I will give it that it is coupled with the pushing of guns by the NRA, and a lack of any real control on who can own what kinds of guns. An issue no one wants to claim. AN issue affecting us all, controlled by a few.

But make no mistake. Buying a gun is not what makes you want to go kill.

That's what is such BS about the people that have flooded DU recently with their pro-gun message.

In countries that don't have a republican congress and corporate media sucking off the NRA, there are the same angry people.. there are the same religious intolerance, bullying, and mental illness.

And YET.. where are the tens of thousands of shootings???

Yes, the right wing anger and outrage machine contributes to the level of total idiots who are filled with rage and paranoia. Hell, Glenn Beck has made millions on lies and specifically paranoia. But without insanely easy access to weapons, and an NRA culture that promotes them as a way to solve problems, it means nothing. They're just the same old fools sitting on their porch screaming at kids to get off their lawn.

It's too late for America, the NRA and their faux folksy bullshit to hide the fact that their the gun mfg. lobby, has already permeated and ruined things. We can't unring that bell because it' comes down to money. Hell, the fucking gun lobby and republicans turned on Brady after he got shot, when he tried to fashion some sort of control for handguns so people like Hinkley couldn't get them. And he was vilified for it, and mocked, and hated.

You don't think that there are angry and stupid and ignorant racists in other Countries??? There are. Wherever humans congregate. The difference in America is that it's easier to get a gun than it is to get a grocery store savings tag for your key chain.

Interesting, both are opposed by the same folks. Coincidence?

Their imaginary "right" is defended to play with their toys, innocent people will have to die.

Were you talking about the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th or 2nd amendment? It sounds so similar to what I read on right wing forums I'm not sure.

yes INDEED

...hoodies and iced tea.

gun nut thugs like Zimmerman creep me out way more than teenagers like Trayvon

It wouldn't have made a difference? Pretty sure the police officer didn't use stones to take down the shooter.

That was a COP, not some Right Wing cowboy.

Please feel free to provide a list of Right Wing Heroes who have stopped a mass shooting.

Then feel free to point out a heavily armed Guru.

Will return a laundry list of incidents where people have used a weapon to defend themselves.

I ask AGAIN, provide a list of Right Wing Heroes who stopped a mass shooting by being the guy to shoot back.

To your limited point, none that I'm aware of off hand. Normally they're unarmed or it's ended by police or bystanders. The Gifford's shooting being an exception to the unarmed point.

Bingo.

If there were even ONE the Right Wing would be demanding his statue be put up in every town in America.

Last year at a church in Colorado...the shooter in question was a former police officer (Trained)

There is a second one a few years back where the perp was stopped by two off duty cops, with civilian assist. (Again trained), and only after the fact, incidentally.

I know since after Aurora some of our friends referred to them...see...and the rest of us saw this little problem, it wasn't precisely Johnny on the spot, but people with formal training.

The closest to during the event would be the Church shooting, but that was a trained shooter, once again.

I thought of "Duke Nukem".

Ya get the idea that's their fantasy. To have bimbos dripping off of them.

The only ones that actually find that image attractive are other guys.

It's like the study that was done where guys were asked what is attractive to women and women were asked what attracts them. Men said it was big muscles and an unbuttoned shirt showing off their hairy chest while women said it was a nice butt and "bedroom eyes", not someone who could hurt them. Hell, most of these Right Wingers consider things like "caring" to be a weakness.

I always ask if they really would high five each other and be thrilled if they could kill someone in their home (usually they fantasize about someone coming in their home to steal a tv,) and having blood and guts spattered around their home.. and never being able to sell it. And spending hours being interrogated. Hell, people now are just shooting through their front doors.

Truly. THe election made the right wing crazier than they were before. And the media whipped them into a paranoid frenzy as did the NRA, with tales of how Obama is coming for their guns. They used it to raise money for the NRA and sell more guns.

start locking up bad drivers... Much more of a threat statistically...

PLEASE - go peddle your nonsense somewhere else

safety.

So, just ignoring all of the issues, except gun ownership, and brushing off your personal responsibilities to know the facts yourself and not just soak up media lies, but understand what is going on, none of which you need to do because you have a gun, puts you into danger. Your guns, all of them, whatever kind and size etc. etc. etc. NONE of that MAKES you safer. It makes you in more danger.

Only honesty and fully developed personal responsibilities and commitment to informed action on the issues and when voting will make anyone safer, not guns.

The RW gun nuts pollute this site every time there is a gun based tragedy.

And.. now we seem to have more gun violence, especially this type of violence.

So the asshats that say "we need MORE guns!!" are full of shit. We have MORE guns now.. and we have more gun violence. It made it worse, not better. An armed society is NOT a polite society, it's a violent society who chooses to solve problems by killing someone.

You never know these days where you will be when you need to get into a fire fight with a(nother) crazy person.

There were children present, after all. You gotta be ready to defend the children. So, we need more guns in schools and daycare centers, too.

When are we gonna wake up and pass gun control laws REQUIRING everyone to carry firearms in all public places?

Yiu can trust me.

and I believe actually passed in a few places:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

Just when you think reality has become too weird for The Onion....

Since 2010, Ruger and Smith & Wesson have enjoyed a 150% rise in stock market value.

According to IRS fillings, from 2004 to 2010, the NRA’s revenue from fundraising — including gifts from gun makers who benefit from its political activism — grew twice as fast as its income from members’ dues. Over 50 firearms-related companies have given at least $14.8 million to NRA according to its list for a donor program that began in 2005. That was the year NRA lobbyists helped get a federal law passed that limits liability claims against gun makers. Former NRA President Sandy Froman wrote that it “saved the American gun industry from bankruptcy,” according to Bloomberg.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2012/07/23/the-nra-industrial-complex/

nt

... buys them in bulk, freezes them, then thaws and sends them out every time one of their flock blows a fuze and goes on a killing spree.

The NRA uses a microwave to thaw 'em. That's why their brains are so cooked.

You betcha.

Actually, all male Sikhs carry a ceremonial knife known as a kirpan. It is not, however, a match for a rapid-fire weapon.

Wait on line tomorrow at Cabella's to buy a weapon so totally useless for anything except combat. And this is wrong???? Sarcasm intended