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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump finally hit bottom.
He truly did go too low this time. This will never be forgotten. Its one thing to say shit about people and places around the world or to exploit religions by labeling them terrorists. His misogyny is also not bad enough. His repeatedly proven lies dont bring him down. Neither does mocking the handicapped or any of dozens of crass things he does.
But once he deliberately started hurting children his long streak of avoiding criticism ended with a resounding thud. He doesnt see that though and just keeps digging that hole.
He has now committed crimes against children and no one will be able to or want to excuse him. Some will argue that his base will defend him but they wont for long because they wont want to be accused of child abuse or of being complicit or condoning it. His base wont defend him for long because this isnt just another easy instance of doubling down. Who wants to double down on terrorizing infants? Only sociopaths will end up defending him, if even they go that far.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)Think, what was the major scandal a month ago? Two months?
OnDoutside
(19,972 posts)Cha
(297,692 posts)you Don't Kidnap KIDS until you're like ... Boko Fucking Haram
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)There was a part of me that just said fuck it, I'll move to another country,but after seeing and hearing those small children being made to suffer it really struck a nerve in me. I'll die here fighting against these monsters if I have too. It will be a pleasure a cause worth fighting for.
Me too. Even if I have to run for congress.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Hannah Arendt wrote about fascism, she called it The Banality of Evil.
Took me a bit too long to fully understand that phrase.
Short intro for those who may not know of her:
I think it took a lot of people awhile to catch onto him because he acts like he has no depth, and perhaps we think evil should look...well, evil. Like Hitler or Manson etc.
JenniferJuniper
(4,515 posts)0rganism
(23,970 posts)every day i used to think "this has to be the end, it can't get any worse." then the next day it got worse.
i'm pretty sure now our downfall has accelerated significantly since it began in 2016 and we're just now feeling the breeze. there's a long way to go, and a whole lot of awful yet to happen...
JustAnotherGen
(31,902 posts)Below. There is no bottom.
Adding - they are NOT a 45 creation.
They were here in 2010.
CrispyQ
(36,518 posts)When McCain, the GOP, & the media didn't slap her down & shame her mercilessly, it emboldened the racists. The message they got was that it's okay to display the worst of human behavior in the public sphere. And here were are, 10 years later, & white people are questioning black people at BBQs. WTF white people?
JustAnotherGen
(31,902 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)he is going to proceed with his plans, and even if we prevail in november, he has current congress until at least the end of the year. 6 months of this nightmare will seem like eternity. In this time frame he can wirhdraw from NATO, WTO, UN, abolish/restructure multiple agencies, make significant cuts to medicare, SS and healthcare subsidies, fill out his naval military internment camps with up to 200k undocumented immigrants. Probable cause to stop the car and check docs - looking like illegal immigrant. Intensify trade wars to the point of breaking relationships with most of our allies. And all while alt right militias are growing in power and size across the country.
struggle4progress
(118,350 posts)the end of the beginning"
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)He seems to be able to plumb new depths every time hes apparently at rock bottom. I hope Im wrong.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)thus far, the sky... I mean HELL is the limit?
TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)JI7
(89,271 posts)bdamomma
(63,922 posts)different and not the same race and not like them. Two words Fuck them.
Trump is meeting with Putin in July to get more instructions from his handler.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Than support him in recent polling
Duppers
(28,127 posts)"no one will be able to or want to excuse him."
I fear you're wrong. I know his heinous base and how they think. Please read this poor woman's entry (she is on the mark in her psychoanalysis of them):
🚨🚨 Living with a supremacist...where Trumpism ends
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2018/6/19/1773122/-Living-with-a-supremacist-in-a-supremacist-place-I-ll-tell-you-where-Trumpism-ends
It's chilling.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)... it was a small one. "
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Wow, just wow.
It was like someone hammering a hole into my mind and shining a spotlight into it. Ive always been highly analytical so I have come up with this same understanding overall, but not quite nailing it down. I guess it was due to not getting that pivotal fact that their core is not grounded in being basically good or bad. Reading this piece clinched the fact that no morals, or religion, or conscience or upbringing is at their core. The only thing that motivates them is their emotional and psychological need to dominate and be superior. Rational thought is non existent.
Its easier to get them if you understand the social makeup of a troop of baboons where dominance of every member is the prime motivator. The only thing that defeats a troop leader is a stronger and more aggressive baboon who has spent his life living for that moment he can beat the leader.
Thanks for posting that!
Duppers
(28,127 posts)THAT IS IT!!! Excellent analogy!
And you're most welcome, lunatica!
DFW
(54,443 posts)Either Trump's capacity for atrocity, or Republicans' capacity to rationalize it into something positive.
If Trump were to order that each child separated from the parent or parents get their right legs amputated, Republicans would cheer him on for supporting American manufacturers of prostheses, and then call it "fake news" after the press points out there are none, and they are all made in Germany or China.
JohnnyRingo
(18,641 posts)I've seen little outrage from the right, certainly not from anyone in position to do anything about it.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)as we do.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Especially since he has no conscience at all
JohnnyRingo
(18,641 posts)I refer you to Saturday's national opinion piece by Cal Thomas. In it he repeats all the talking points about how this is a Clinton era rule that Trump has decided to enforce, because "rule of law" or something. He makes Trump out to be the one sane voice in a sea of liberal hysteria about nothing. This isn't some internet post or a tweet, it appeared in hundreds of mainstream newspapers.
I really don't think this will move Trump's approval more than a point or two. We're just getting closer and closer to him shooting someone on 5th Avenue and getting away with it.
dustyscamp
(2,228 posts)standingtall
(2,787 posts)They didn't care when Trump and republicans tried to take healthcare away from their neighbors, sometimes their family members and even sometimes mothers and fathers, sons and daughters. In fact they cheered it on. And their now going to care about some immigrant kids?
Wednesdays
(17,412 posts)for congressional Republicans.
I joked that if Republicans ate kittens on live TV, their support would plummet to 41%.
Response to Wednesdays (Reply #22)
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dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Not all of them are impartial.
Wednesdays
(17,412 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)...the underage girls he has hurt, the children whose healthcare he has tried to take away and hurt them, the educational, environmental and social programs he has been destroying and trying to eliminate that hurt children, to now this kidnapping children from their parents program to hurt them....
The man is a psychopathic sadistic motherfucker with no morals and no soul....
Anyone, anyone that can do what he has done and continues to do is beyond evil and he is only going to continue until he is stopped.
His own kids know this too....
I fear what is next and what someone so evil can do to children and hurting them....
no_hypocrisy
(46,191 posts)They Thought They Were Free
https://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/1541453808
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Some to the effect that before you could have time to think about one outrage, another happened, and then another and another.
Trump is a master Dementer.
no_hypocrisy
(46,191 posts)implemented by local authorities on behalf of The Leader. Pretty soon it's so integrated into all aspects of your life, that your private life is meaningless and the ability to change circumstances is impossible.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)And the discovery AT&T was running all email and phone data thru their screeners, in SF.
Crystal clear warning, for those who know history.
but....no one listened.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)At least the ones I've incurred, especially the ones at Dulles in DC.
ck4829
(35,091 posts)Stuart G
(38,448 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)I fully expect that he and his enablers will break medicare and medicare, sell off the national parkss, and destroy the Labor and EPA Dept. But you're right in that his crimes against children will not be forgotten and will never go away.
doc03
(35,378 posts)Vinca
(50,304 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,902 posts)Central NJ - Horse Country. I disagree with this:
They ARE doubling down.
I finally got their rancid wretched asses to shut the fuck up yesterday by posting links to Trump telling Republicans to move off the topic until after the "red wave" and pointing out that their leader told them to stop - they weren't being "good" Trump supporters.
I'm also an elected member of Democratic County Committee.
We have ZERO false hopes that any Trumpsters will vote for our Mayoral candidate, council candidates, Malinowski or Menendez.
They TRULY believe this is an "invasion".
They truly do NOT BELIEVE these children are human beings - let alone children.
They STILL believe this was a "law" Trump enforced that was put in place by Clinton and ALL of this Obama's fault.
They are adamant that House and Senate Democratics are obstructionists. They do NOT know they have majorities and that just like how McConnell installed Garlands usurper on SCOTUS - they could implement 45's entire agenda.
If you aren't engaged at the most local of levels then I strongly encourage you to get involved.
Asking your committee members to put one iota of hope that they can reach Trump Fans is asking for the impossible. It cannot be done.
We have hope in flipping our House seat because HRC won in our district. Focus on the non voters and HRC voters.
That's where the wins will be.
Trump did not create these monsters - Trump gave them a platform. Don't ever forget that.
mnhtnbb
(31,404 posts)Absolutely right. When--and IF--the orange one is gone from office, we will still have a country full of rabid racists who have been emboldened by this despicable and traitorous con man. Many of them are people with a lot of evil in their hearts masquerading as "Christians". That scares me a lot.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)^^^ Spot on!
JHB
(37,162 posts)He and his Republican Party apparently bought out ACME Inc.'s entire inventory of cartoon portable holes.
Every time you think they've hit rock bottom, they peel another one off the roll, slap it down, and dive, dive dive.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)the evangelicals have hatred so red hot that they are infected MAGAts and may take us all down.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)There will always be a new low. Always. That's what he does. That's who he is.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)edhopper
(33,616 posts)about how he ended this and how Obama and the Dems were to blame.
We are far from the bottom.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,858 posts)and then he goes lower. And when he's challenged he just does something worse. I'm beginning to wonder whether at some point he'll start killing people. He doesn't seem to think child abuse is a big deal, so what else is he capable of?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)They want troops stationed at the border to kill people.
That is who they are.
cvoogt
(949 posts)And it includes Trumpists who are not Caucasian, but either native-born or brought here "legally" (in their recollection). I wish it were as simple as a racism thing but it goes beyond that; it's also a NIMBY / selfishness thing. I've had 'discussions' with avid Trump supporters who were themselves refugees and became US citizens, and some will happily defend family separation even now.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)he's found a way to dig down deeper.
GoCubsGo
(32,094 posts)He'll find ways to go even lower. He always does.
lindysalsagal
(20,733 posts)I think they're just beginning to plumb new depths of depravity we can't imagine.
Crunchy Frog
(26,646 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,694 posts)There are much lower bottoms and this bunch have barely cracked the surface.
VOX
(22,976 posts)And no, those comparisons are not as extreme as they seem. These types of men (yes, MEN) share much in common: their need to be controlling; their demand for absolutely loyalty; their claim to have an ultimate, superior vision/knowledge ["very stable genius"] that plain folks don't have; and their ultimate sadness over a situation that separated them from genuine love and compassion for infinity.
As the world has seen with other cults and their leaders, it rarely plays well in the long run-- it carries the seeds of its own demise, as too many legal, ethical and moral boundaries are crossed. At least that's how it used to work.
However, I'm not detecting any "bottom" with 45 and his Keystone-Kops lieutenants. Every single day, they find a way to go lower and weirder. And 45's supporters love that stuff, their minds only track into the "luv to make the libtards squirm" setting. That's it for them. Cult members don't give a shit about which issue is being discussed, as long as their figurehead exhibits hostility to brown-skinned outsiders. They don't even care if the wall gets built-- they know it probably won't. They just love the fact that he actually says it will.