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(4,878 posts)(wearing a pink "pussy blouse" to the debate after the Access Hollywood tape was released, etc.) not to know about the history of the retailer. I'm not buying it. She's complicit.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10770456
joshdawg
(2,651 posts)She has charge of her wardrobe. She knew exactly what she was doing when she picked that jacket, so for any one who said that "it was just a jacket" is a lying piece of s***. She knew full well what the meaning of that slogan was.
PunkinPi
(4,878 posts)Link to tweet
Interesting detail: When a First Lady travels solo, her tarmac arrival is traditionally closed to press, writes @emilyaheil.
But last wk, @FLOTUS invited pool cameras to cover her on the tarmac. Thereby guaranteeing youd see her jacket.
Link to WaPo article in the tweet -> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/why-didnt-someone-stop-melania-trump-from-wearing-that-jacket-thats-not-how-this-white-house-works/2018/06/22/9d6a43a0-7640-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?utm_term=.271046852578
Snips from WaPo article:
First ladies sartorial choices are seldom made on the fly. For trips, particularly those abroad, the first ladys staff typically prepares a wardrobe memo as part of her schedule, McBride said. The memo notes the events she will be attending, along with all kinds of factors that might dictate fashion choices, from weather to the terrain she will be walking on to matters of protocol, such as whether particular colors carry symbolism in a culture.
But Mrs. Trumps declaration was, perhaps, more intentional. One former White House aide who worked with top officials in both the Obama and Clinton administrations noted that the fact that cameras captured Mrs. Trump boarding the plane at all was unusual. When the first lady travels alone from Washington, her tarmac arrival is traditionally closed to the media, so the decision to allow Mrs. Trump to be photographed seemed deliberate.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Hekate
(90,824 posts)I don't know how long "pussy" has had a double meaning, but you can go back centuries in nursery rhymes to its use meaning soft cuddly kitty. When I was in fashion retail (college, 1960s) the term was in use for both the blouse with attached bow and the separate scarf tied just so.
That said, I completely agree that Melania was playing off her husband's dirty words. I no longer have any fucks to give for that woman.
PunkinPi
(4,878 posts)Hekate
(90,824 posts)Their lifespan was extended when professional women started wearing suits to work in imitation of the uniform shirt-suit-necktie of professional men.
DangerousRhythm
(2,916 posts)They say it comes from the mid 19th century. I guess I could have consulted with Wikipedia as well, but its not often I can drag my book out to cite on the topic of slang. 😂
Hekate
(90,824 posts)Ado Annie ("I'm Just a Girl Who Caint Say No" ) has been canoodling with Ali Hakim (pronounced Allie Hackem) the peddler, and giggles that "He calls me his Persian Kitty because I'm so..." Rest of sentence drowned out by scandalized noises. As an adult I can fill in the blanks I couldn't as a child.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)I believe. No mercy for Melanie.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Just curious. When I google this stuff I get a much less certain story.
Hekate
(90,824 posts)...of going around the mystery author.
You could check to see if Right Wing Watch has picked up on it yet, or post a query to Snopes.com to see if they will check it out in time. A question to Right Wing Watch could also serve as a prompt to check it out.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Checked Wikipedia.
Found some other sight that discussed past and current fascism.
None suggested such a clear and important connection between the phrase and any single fascist group. It was listed among a very long list of such slogans that various loosely related groups used. And these groups were numerous and fluid with constantly changing goals and leaders.
Hekate
(90,824 posts)...so my research abilities have fallen short for the past half-year. For this and other reasons I encourage my fellow DUers to follow up on what feels like an important lead, and not merely another shiny object. Altho it may also be a distracting shiny object -- with Teump, everything is in the maelstrom.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I'm always a bit skeptical of phrases like that about anyone. Mostly because I am constantly amazed about what people DON'T know about both current events, much less historical ones. Ask a millennial to name 3 concentration camps. You'll be lucky to get one.
Hekate
(90,824 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)... where they are trained, have become country clubs catering to "students as customers." They hire struggling adjunct professors for half the price and put their inflated tuitions towards sports and luxury dining halls. The adjuncts, fearful of getting low ratings on "rate my professor" and losing their jobs, demand less from their students and inflate grades.
Journalistic quality will go up only after we reform our colleges and universities which are falling far behind other countries. The business paradigm has invaded a once vigorous non-profit system. Students are now coddled customers. Sad.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)czarjak
(11,296 posts)And Kent Hance and Jodey Arrington.
Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #15)
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KPN
(15,650 posts)journalistic media letting us down or betraying us in this regard, whichever it may be, you are spot on.
Looking back on my education in the 70s, adjunct professors were pretty much limited to PhD candidates, or professionals working their career outside of academia who were contracted to teach special curricula/classes here and there. They werent the norm. And yet the costs have rocketed 4 or 5 times as fast as wages and inflation.
Its almost criminal, but certainly sociologically irresponsible and immoral.
Im ready to storm the Bastille.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)The adults grooming our children's brains and souls are mostly apparatchiks career administrators. They know nothing about the history and meaning of democracy, good writing, journalistic integrity. Given their greater numbers they feel free to bully the intellectuals as I discovered at several East Coast colleges.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)We do our best, but you know, when you're paid around $1800 for a semester-- no benefits, no guarantee of work, no desk even-- you tend to avoid rocking the boat. The tenured faculty has to be the ones taking the risks, not the peons like me, who are making just south of minimum wage without any job security. Last semester, I spent most of a week prepping a class that got cancelled the first day ("only" 19 students). I got paid NOTHING.
It's very easy for an administrator who is pissed at something you say to make sure your classes never go, and you never get paid.
There's a unionization effort at many universities that really deserves everyone's support.
Hekate
(90,824 posts)...that they do some follow-up. I have a feeling that some on CNN and MSNBC will be interested. Rachel Maddow, Steve Karnacki, Ari Melber, Stephanie Rhule (she could work it into her econ/business stuff), and a host of others could no doubt hold this in their background files until they have enough confirmation to use it.
Think of it as citizen-journalist crowd sourcing.
brush
(53,871 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Have you seen some of the horrible T-shirts at major retailers lately?
7962
(11,841 posts)40 yrs ago a classmate listed in the yearbook one of his "achievements" as being a member of the "national society for the prevention of cerebral development". He moved to a different state and ended up being a state senator!
Its just a joke.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Her father Viktor Knavs, joined the Communist Party at a time when only 5% of Slovenia were members. He was a true believer, not a pragmatist. People say, yeah he had to join to get a good job...blah..blah. What about the other 95% of Slovenia who did not join? Who did he step on? Who is he really? Now that hes sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom and running around the White House, we should know. Did her upbringing make her a proponent of authoritarian fascist states?
Remember when they investigated every living distant relative of Obama?
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)there is a significant difference between communism and fascism. Of course, the Slovenian Communist Party could have been a euphemism for fascistic beliefs. Will have to look it up.
But I agree -- she didn't wear that jacket accidentally. She was making a statement, personally and probably politically.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)the same.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)trump creates diversion so that folks ignore the real issues of the day. It's hard to ignore their insanity which is what trump wants the press to do. The FL is not stupid. I too believe she knew exactly the origin of that message in Italy and what it means now. Vote in November folks. Question all that is being dumped on the internet.
handmade34
(22,758 posts)sheshe2
(83,925 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,043 posts)Ilsa
(61,698 posts)alterfurz
(2,475 posts)amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)Just sayin.....works both ways (not my) First Lady.....
George II
(67,782 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)That birther speaks Italian
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Response to George II (Original post)
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Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)paste ?
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)wow! There are none so blind as those who will not see. This is going downhill fast.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Beartracks
(12,821 posts)Sort of like holding your friend's hair while they vomit...?
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Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I hope this goes viral.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I've always thought Melania was complicit, but I didn't know about her fascist background. Yes, she could simply be telegraphing that the Trump family are fascists (but she is not), but wearing that jacket to THAT event shows us something darker about her.
fierywoman
(7,694 posts)LoveMyCali
(2,015 posts)who thinks regardless of her intent, when did it become appropriate for the first lady to wear a graffiti jacket or a graphic tee in public? She's not a college kid on a road trip.
3catwoman3
(24,051 posts)...her wardrobe from Hollister.
Exotica
(1,461 posts)dodgy shit. The jacket, btw is from their Spring/Summer 2016 collection, so she probably has had it for over 2 years. Curious timing, although I wager it is more a jibe at Trump than some "let's show the world we are fascists" meme via a very tenuous WWI Arditi connection that is also in a Roman dialect, not standard Italian. Ironic slogans have been a staple of street-wear for decades.
Here is a fashion blogger's post on the jacket from early 2016. she also happens to actually be Italian and doesn't have any "Mussolini Comes To High Street" vibe going on.
https://fashionbyjeje.com/really-dont-care-do-u/
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Melanoma looked like she went dumpster diving and then got spray painted by the person she beat out for the jacket.
jeffreyi
(1,944 posts)Gee, what's not to like?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Melania wore the jacket because she knew it would piss Donald off. It worked. Let's not give her too much fucking credit in the ideology department.
Besides, the motto of the Arditi was O la vittoria, o tutti accoppati, "Victory or we all die".
progressoid
(49,999 posts)Also, we're Democrats. We don't make mistakes.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I just assumed getting news from the same place most people get their pornography was perhaps not the best idea, but seeing as we're all by virtue of our being here intellectually responsible, smart, and sane, I realize now I was mistaken. Melania Trump, who thus far owes everything she has in life to her cryptic ability to look pretty in front of a camera, is obviously a fascist ideologue of Goebbels-like proportions. From the reception I see here, she must obviously be the secret intellectual stalking the halls of power that by all evidence she never wanted to walk in the first place.
I humbly retract my criticism.
7962
(11,841 posts)No way a woman of her style wears some frumpy coat like that for no reason. Cant wait for THAT divorce proceeding. For those who think she'll never leave because of his money, she's been with him long enough to get a tidy settlement.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I honestly don't know what her motive was on wearing that jacket, except she definitely had a motive. She's ''cleverly'' left it up for public scrutiny. I haven't heard of a press conference being held to explain what her intentions were. Melania had a motive on marrying Donald Trump, and that one is easy to figure out.
Izzy Blue
(282 posts)[link:http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/817634-2/48549|][link:http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/817634-2/48549|
"Me ne frego" on vehicle photo
http://www.ww2incolor.com/italian-forces/48549.html
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"I don't care", old motto of the first fascist action squads. Russian front. DVX
trof
(54,256 posts)he catchphrase originated (not linguistically, but for this context) with the "warrior-poet" Gabriele d'Annunzio and became popular among Italian soldiers in World War I. It was an expression of courage and bravado, not carelessness: "we might die tomorrow, but me ne frego." After the war, it continued to be used by Mussolini's squadristi (strike busters) and after he came to power it became the motto of the Black Shirts.
This song from 1920 may shed some light on the rhetorical gist of the catch phrase: https://it.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Me_ne_frego_(Versione_del_1920)
The key point is obviously the chorus, "me ne frego di morire per la santa libertà"--"I don't mind dying for sacred liberty." It's all part of the cult of machismo that Fascism cultivated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4bwnio/why_was_me_ne_frego_i_dont_care_chosen_by/
Hekate
(90,824 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,567 posts)It's not like their mission statement isn't obvious to anyone with a pulse and the slightest ability to discern nuance.
Hekate
(90,824 posts)Thanks
An excellent job of "mapping a signifier."
Voltaire2
(13,174 posts)Hekate
(90,824 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,722 posts)She's obviously stuck in this marriage with no easy way out. She's been with don the con since 2006. Isn't that punishment enough?
Retrograde
(10,158 posts)Donnie Two Scoops has given her clear grounds for divorce under New York state laws, or she could move to a state that has no-fault divorce. That would, of course, mean getting off the gravy train. I would have some respect for her if she did that.
She went into this, a marriage with a twice-divorced man whom she knew cheated on his wives (he was married when they started dating) as a career woman in her 30s, not as some dewy-eyed innocent with no knowledge of the wicked world. No, we're not being too hard on her: if anything, we're being too easy.
Hekate
(90,824 posts)...the jacket incident. Within 24 hours there was something that just absolutely reeked and could not be denied.
I argued that she had a right to privacy in the hospital and we shouldn't be mean. But you know what -- I no longer have a single fck to give for that woman.
Cha
(297,692 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)slater71
(1,153 posts)If we let this coming election be hijacked like the 2016 one then it is not going to matter what they say or what they do because no one will be able to stop them. This country will be finished as we know it. They will control most all the courts in the land. The repuke governors will let the pukes in their states reline the voting districts so that a Dem will never hold office again. Complete and total control. All the while we are running them out of restaurants and theaters they will running us into irrelevance and we will never see it coming. One election is all it will take.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)And it seems it is, I hope this makes network news. There is no way she did this for no reason and the company has made an antisemitic jacket apparently as well. Disgusting. They are all vile, I hope to live to see the downfall of them all, the sooner the better.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)before we believe them".
Oh, I fucking believe them. I certainly believe them!
Cha
(297,692 posts)lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)This is simply the lowest common denominator of "fashion choice" *cough* I've ever even thought a first lady would wear. Even Nancy RayGun's "thrift store" debut had a self depricating humorous aspect, if a bit elitist in reality.
But this is lower than bottom of the barrel, there's no mistaking the intent, and Donald's "oh she was making statement on the MSM" goes straight onto the list of over 3000 lies.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Fuck You mel.
SunSeeker
(51,714 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)about this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-controversial-jacket-pro-fascism-message/
Whatever the truth, it was a horrible meme to wear on a jacket in the circumstances.
It either shows jarring tone-deafness or deliberate provocation, either of which will be gleefully swallowed by those who are full of hate.
Voltaire2
(13,174 posts)It seems to be a stretch to suggest that the I REALLY DONT CARE, DO U jacket was a slick reference to the Italian phrase me ne frego, or I dont give a damn. Determining intent is usually purely speculative, for starters. On top of that, the translation was not exact.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-controversial-jacket-pro-fascism-message/
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)jacket's contemptible. Melania's may imagine herself a strong woman, but if she is it's certainly not the kind of strength that arises from good character and principle. But announcing to the world that she was an ugly woman inside that high fashion exterior would take guts she hasn't demonstrated any other way.
Btw, I saw the same jacket saying "I care enough to vote" on Etsy. Hope its maker hasn't time for anything else.