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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDAMN IT, Haberman is STILL arguing over the use of the word "LIE" when reporting on Trump
Maggie Haberman
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"We're spending 90 percent of NATO," Trump says falsely, a few weeks before he heads to the NATO summit
5:44 PM - 25 Jun 2018
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"We're spending 90 percent of NATO," Trump says falsely, a few weeks before he heads to the NATO summit
5:44 PM - 25 Jun 2018
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Mary Beth Schneider
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Mary Beth Schneider Retweeted Maggie Haberman
So, he lied.
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Mary Beth Schneider Retweeted Maggie Haberman
So, he lied.
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Maggie Haberman
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Do you think people don't understand it's not true if the word false instead of lie is used?
5:57 PM - 25 Jun 2018
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Do you think people don't understand it's not true if the word false instead of lie is used?
5:57 PM - 25 Jun 2018
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Mary Beth Schneider
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I think lie is clearer, yes. Every president has said falsehoods but this level of lying seems unprecedented. (And I didnt mean it as a criticism of you, but of him.)
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I think lie is clearer, yes. Every president has said falsehoods but this level of lying seems unprecedented. (And I didnt mean it as a criticism of you, but of him.)
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Maggie Haberman
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I understand. Your followers, I suspect, will not.
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I understand. Your followers, I suspect, will not.
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Jordan Fischer
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Oh, you might be surprised; we're a thoughtful bunch. Some of us can even read.
6:45 PM - 25 Jun 2018
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Oh, you might be surprised; we're a thoughtful bunch. Some of us can even read.
6:45 PM - 25 Jun 2018
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Maggie Haberman
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Youre a journalist. You are not quite who I mean.
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Youre a journalist. You are not quite who I mean.
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Eric Epstein
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Im not a journalist, and I know exactly what @marybschneider is talking about. You surely know that the difference between said falsely and lied is intent. Can there be any doubt at this point about POTUS intent? Call a spade a spade.
7:24 PM - 25 Jun 2018
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Im not a journalist, and I know exactly what @marybschneider is talking about. You surely know that the difference between said falsely and lied is intent. Can there be any doubt at this point about POTUS intent? Call a spade a spade.
7:24 PM - 25 Jun 2018
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DAMN IT, Haberman is STILL arguing over the use of the word "LIE" when reporting on Trump (Original Post)
Miles Archer
Jun 2018
OP
Enough with the NewSpeak already. Knock off the "untruth" "falsehood" "disingenuous" CRAP!
lagomorph777
Jun 2018
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Moostache
(9,897 posts)1. Maggie, DO YOUR JOB OR QUIT.
Stop splitting hairs and trying to avoid the obvious. A liar is not to be abided as he shreds the nation and those who refuse to point this out can leave with him in disgrace.
Grow a spine, do REAL journalism or GTFO here...
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)2. Wow, what a condescending piece of work she is n/t
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)3. Maggie continues angling for a job at Fox apparently.
dalton99a
(81,578 posts)4. It's clear that she values access to power above everything else.
ornotna
(10,807 posts)5. She talks that way for a reason
She has to seem "reasonable" so she can be on tv to make money. It's all about the bank account.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)6. I'm on Maggie's side here...
Saying a statement is false is simply stating a fact.
But claiming that statement was a lie now becomes an accusation, which has a much higher standard of evidence and intent.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)7. Need to start using the word "Nazis" in my opinion.
That's what he and they resemble.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)8. About Maggie
and the NYT... Poke the Bear.
http://www.citjourno.org/maggie1
A search in The New York Times digital archive with the terms Hillary and emails for which Maggie Haberman was listed as an author, written between 1/1/2015 and 11/8/2016 returned 68 results.
Here are search results for articles published between 1/1/2015 and 11/8/2016, on which Maggie Haberman was listed as an author:
Hillary and Email server 53 results.
Hillary and Benghazi 41 results.
Hillary and "Gennifer Flowers" 3 results.
Hillary and Lewinsky 3 results.
Hillary and Whitewater 4 results.
Hillary and "Sexual assault" 8 results.
Hillary and Untrustworthy 4 results.
Trump and Untrustworthy 1 result.
Trump and "Sexual assault" 8 results.
Trump and Bankruptcy 3 results.
Donald Trump and Roy Cohn 1 result.
Trump and Sater 0 results. Remove Maggie as author requirement, and only 2 results are returned.
Trump and Mafia 0 results.
Trump and Bayrock 0 results.
Trump and Arif 0 results.
Trump and Mashkevich 0 results.
Trump and Soho 2 results.
Trump and Apprentice and Racism 0 results.
"Trump" and Housing and "Bias" and "FBI" 0 results.
"Trump" and "Access Hollywood" 2 results.
Trump and "Katie Johnson" 0 results.
Trump and Epstein 0 results.
Trump and Underage 0 results.
Russian and Mafia 0 results.
Manafort and Firtash 0 results.
Manafort and Ukraine 4 results.
;Manafort and Mafia 0 results.
Manafort and Yanukovych 3 results.
Just take in those numbers. 0 results for the terms Mafia, Bayrock, Apprentice, Racism, Housing (arguably Trumps biggest NY city scandal), Felix Sater.
This is the reporter who had the premiere access to Trump, his family, and Jared Kushner for over a decade and a half. Those search terms are some of the biggest words in Trump land. Not just from the election cycle, but long before it - and all these months after it, during his Presidency.
Here are search results for articles published between 1/1/2015 and 11/8/2016, on which Maggie Haberman was listed as an author:
Hillary and Email server 53 results.
Hillary and Benghazi 41 results.
Hillary and "Gennifer Flowers" 3 results.
Hillary and Lewinsky 3 results.
Hillary and Whitewater 4 results.
Hillary and "Sexual assault" 8 results.
Hillary and Untrustworthy 4 results.
Trump and Untrustworthy 1 result.
Trump and "Sexual assault" 8 results.
Trump and Bankruptcy 3 results.
Donald Trump and Roy Cohn 1 result.
Trump and Sater 0 results. Remove Maggie as author requirement, and only 2 results are returned.
Trump and Mafia 0 results.
Trump and Bayrock 0 results.
Trump and Arif 0 results.
Trump and Mashkevich 0 results.
Trump and Soho 2 results.
Trump and Apprentice and Racism 0 results.
"Trump" and Housing and "Bias" and "FBI" 0 results.
"Trump" and "Access Hollywood" 2 results.
Trump and "Katie Johnson" 0 results.
Trump and Epstein 0 results.
Trump and Underage 0 results.
Russian and Mafia 0 results.
Manafort and Firtash 0 results.
Manafort and Ukraine 4 results.
;Manafort and Mafia 0 results.
Manafort and Yanukovych 3 results.
Just take in those numbers. 0 results for the terms Mafia, Bayrock, Apprentice, Racism, Housing (arguably Trumps biggest NY city scandal), Felix Sater.
This is the reporter who had the premiere access to Trump, his family, and Jared Kushner for over a decade and a half. Those search terms are some of the biggest words in Trump land. Not just from the election cycle, but long before it - and all these months after it, during his Presidency.
If you haven't, please Poke the Bear.
http://www.citjourno.org/page-1
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)9. Enough with the NewSpeak already. Knock off the "untruth" "falsehood" "disingenuous" CRAP!
LIES dammit, try to keep up here! Trump and the RePutins are LYING LIARS who tell only LIES!