Staying home gave the GOP the SCOTUS for a generation

Hillary so that and repeatedly pointed it out. Yet people went to our convention to boo and rampage through the streets and then they capped that off by voting for Trump or Stein or writing in. It is just Damned infuriating, the older ones learned nothing from 2000 and they were joined by young ones in 2016.

I typed the importance of the Supreme Court with left leaners over and over again. So what should we do? We contact our Dem Senators (I'm lucky to have two - Peters & Stabenaw) and let them know that we want them to fight back. Let them know what we want them to do. According to Article 1, Section 5 of the U.S. Constitution, “a majority … shall constitute a quorum to do business” in the Senate — meaning that Democrats can basically shut the place down by refusing to vote on anything. Or how about the Biden Rule? It is too soon to the next election to confirm a judge. Except we should call it the McConnell Rule since he used it against Gardner. If you don't have a Dem Senator contact Minority Leader Shumer.

Just Google it. There are lots of articles on it.

But many DUers don't realize that.

were not buying Bernie's late message. I hope they are happy.

But I HAPPILY voted for HRC in the general. It is really getting old with people saying it is our fault.

Here he is opposing amnesty with Lou Dobbs blaming immigrants for wage stagnation.

Indeed.

OK,

How Trump like! Whenever Trump is criticized, his supporters say, "What about Hillary Clinton?"
When Bernie is criticized, his supporters say, "What about Hillary Clinton?"

This just confirms that there really is no defense to Bernie's past and present efforts to cater to xenophobia.

Or, his scapegoating of immigrants. Even now, Bernie has flipped flopped on NAFTA by suddenly trying to exempt Canada from steel tariffs even though they are the largest exporter of steel to the U.S. It is okay to impose tariffs on non-white countries, but leave Canada alone!

FDR signed off the internment of Japanese Americans and the Democratic Party use to be pro-segregation. Bernie just happens to be the most recent example of person who tries to scapegoat immigrants and foreigners for the problems of the working class.

I don't deny that Sanders views have changed. And HRC's views have changed as well.

Lots of politicians do it. Hopefully for the better. e.g. Obama in 2008: "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage." Four years later: "...it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married."

Look at his huge flip flop on NAFTA and steel tariffs and exempting only white countries. It makes no sense when Canada is the largest importer of steel to the US.

Yet, Bernie previously took a hardline on both NAFTA and steel imports.

Never mind. It really doesn't matter what he says. Your mind is made up.

His statements on amnesty and scapegoating of immigrants. His votes in Russia. His flip flops on NAFTA and steel tariffs. His vote to protect gun makers from lawsuits. These are core Democratic issues.

What I find troubling is the Trump like excuses given for Bernie’s Trump like positions and flip flops.

My question is why Bernie didn't support placing sanctions on the country that messed in our elections. He voted NO two times on Russian sanctions. I'm not buying his Iran crap. He put Russian interests before American free elections. I won't forgive him. He also didn't do as Crowley did and announce his support of his opponent right after he lost. Bernie actually lost in March but wouldn't quit, and kept damaging Hillary with his attacks. I do blame him and won't ever forgive him.

PS I'm a life long Democrat and if even one Democrat senator votes to confirm Trump's next Supreme ct pick, I'm never donating one cent to the DNC and will register as an Indie.

The votes speak for themselves. Bernie is the left's version of Dana Rohrbacher when it comes to Russia.

Sid

about Bernie's speeches and campaigning for Hillary right before the election and after the Democratic convention.

A lot of people on DU are misinformed about this issue.

Oct 8
Oct 31
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Bernie endorsed Hillary on July 12, and the convention was on July 25.

Then he made 3 appearances for Hillary over the next two months.

He sort of campaigned for her in October, but going silent for July, August and September sent a powerful signal to his supporters.

Had Bernie worked hard for Hillary from the Convention through to election day, we might be living in a different world right now.

So, sorry, it's you who is misinformed on the issue.

Sid

Bernie worked hard during the primary season. He was probably exhausted.

He campaigned a good deal for Hillary.

Do you have a link that supports your assertions?

Do you have a link showing that Hillary wanted Bernie to campaign for her earlier than October?

Here is the Donna Brazile point of view on the state of the Democratic Party when she assumed responsibility.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

And did the talking head circuit for months? As he demanded part in writing the DNC draft? As he fought for "his people" (one of whom was a Stein supporter) on the chair?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2681335

Your statements are absolutely delusional. Hillary went it alone the entire time.

every insinuation, the distortion of her record and the divisions fueled by certain actors.

The contested convention nonsense was one of the lowest things I've ever seen .. and I hope to never see again.

And I'm glad there's pushback against the revisionist narratives about the whole 2016 election season.

I state that right in my reply to you.

Bernie endorsed Hillary on July 12, and the convention was on July 25

full attention. What could possibly be more important?

Oh, yes, there were some problems with that PAC that takes dark money that he was branding - that probably took up some time....

As Bernie Sanders prepares to launch an organization meant to carry on his presidential campaign’s political revolution, it’s been jolted by legal questions, abrupt leadership changes and mass resignations.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-new-group-hits-major-trouble-launchpad-n636741


And it looks like there's still trouble in paradise:

Second top official resigns from Bernie Sanders group
A co-vice chair of Our Revolution who accused the group of insensitivity toward Latinos parts ways in the wake of a POLITICO report.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/24/our-revolution-bernie-sanders-staff-changes-607330

Our Revolution keeps consultant who made anti-immigrant comments
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/22/our-revolution-sanders-turner-figaro-603410

And I'm sure that the DNC had to procure that private jet that was put forward to them as a condition get him to tour and praise her highly as "being better than Trump." No commercal coach seats for the Senator, not any more.

once it was impossible for him to win the nomination instead of dragging thing out for months, he wouldn’t have been so exhausted.

That is my opinion. He wants to talk about the issues.

And he does a great job of it in my opinion.

Get back when he actually gets some legislation passed.

Good for him.

Getting actual legislation passed is what really helps people.

Bernie started with almost no name recognition, and he started late in the game. He had 43% of the delegates at the Democratic convention in 2016, and he achieved that by talking about his ideas.

He isn't handsome. He isn't young or dashing. He just talked about ideas.

I note that Kirsten Gillibrand is also talking about her ideas. That's a winning strategy in the Democratic Party in my opinion.

I haven't decided who I will support in 2020, but there are several good candidates out there talking about their policy ideas. And that is a good thing in my opinion.

It is just feel good cult of personality. Give someone who actually accomplished something to help people, that’s how you get voters and keep them loyal.

Somebody has to start the ball rolling.

Someone else, a lot of someone elses come along and pass the legislation.

Bernie Sanders and a few other politicians started talking about universal, single payer healthcare. Now lots of politicians are talking about it. It makes a lot of sense. I know because I lived in Europe where most countries have universal healthcare in one form or another.

Sooner or later, it will become law, and everyone will praise the person whose name is on the bill.

Rarely does the originator of an idea or even one of the first to go out and sell the idea get his or her name on the bill. Happens but it certainly isn't the rule.

Lincoln did not originate the idea of the abolition of slavery. Lots of other people did. Rarely is there someone who thinks of a brand new idea, sells it and gets a bill passed that implements it. It can happen, but the most common way things happen is that someone thinks of a new idea. Someone else decides to sell the idea. More and more people get sold on the idea and go out and sell it themselves. And then someone, perhaps someone very prominent gets a law written and persuades the lawmakers to make it the law.

Very rarely does someone originate an idea, sell it and write it into law and get it passed.

There are exceptions, but the norm is that the idea person and the salesperson and the implementer are not the same person.

Maven, connector, salesman -- the book is called The Tipping Point. Different kinds of personalities play different roles in the process of disseminating and implementing new ideas.

Endlessly talking about something is not getting the ball rolling, it is grandstanding. It is cult of personality.

And during a presidential primary, when it is impossible to win, you stop grandstanding and throw your support to the nominee as soon as possible rather than continuing to feed your own ego.

when it was clear he couldn’t win instead of grandstanding to feed his ego.

Bernie Sanders's vote to protect gun companies from lawsuits, explained

The PLCAA passed in 2005 in response to several lawsuits that claimed gun makers and dealers were responsible for letting firearms get into the hands of wrongdoers and criminals.

The lawsuits took various forms: Some argued that the gun industry sold way more firearms in some areas than could possibly be necessary, ensuring that many of those excess guns would end up in the black market. Other times, litigants claimed the industry was purposely packaging dangerous firearms — such as assault weapons — in a way that allowed them to evade gun control laws like background checks, again putting the firearms in criminal hands.

The lawsuits argued that gun makers and sellers were engaging in negligent marketing, and could and should have taken steps to prevent a shooter from getting a gun in the first place. "The essence of the claim is gun manufacturers and sellers have a duty to anticipate, and control for, the criminal misuse of their products," John Goldberg of Harvard Law School wrote in an email.

The PLCAA, which the National Rifle Association supported, largely ended these types of challenges by providing explicit legal protections to gun manufacturers and sellers against negligent marketing and public nuisance claims. Since the law passed, it's been repeatedly cited by judges as they dismiss lawsuits against the gun industry.

8 weeks to concede.

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palpable. For those who wanted to see it, saw the manner in which he passively-aggressive "supported" her.

keeping a smile on her face through that....

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of the finances in the Democratic Party during her management of it, I think Bernie's support for Hillary is positively heroic.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

No coach class for Senator Sanders, if he was going to agree to praising her with "she's better than Trump."

And he's the "heroic one?" Hillary was the heroic one for smiling through his damning with faint praise, and recitation of his delegate count.

And you seem to forget out that Donna Brazile also stated that Jeff Weaver was on the phone offering up Bernie to replace Hillary the morning after she fainted.

Yes, that's some real sincere support there.

But hey, he had book and a PAC to brand "Our Revolution." He was very, very busy - and couldn't be bothered to wait in a public airport gate.

That was a handful, wasn't it?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-new-group-hits-major-trouble-launchpad-n636741

And it looks like things aren't much better:

Second top official resigns from Bernie Sanders group

A co-vice chair of Our Revolution who accused the group of insensitivity toward Latinos parts ways in the wake of a POLITICO report.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/24/our-revolution-bernie-sanders-staff-changes-607330

... when Bernie said that he wouldn't accept a (hypothetical) VP spot if it were (hypothetically) offered to him.

I don't know if that's the reason, maybe sometime Hillary will open up and tell us. In the meantime I'll remind everyone that when Hillary lost the nomination to Obama in 2008, she went to him immediately and made nice. She endorsed him and asked all of her delegates to vote for Obama. She did a lot of campaigning for him and personal appearances after the convention. She did it all immediately and hid her disappointment and acted like an adult. I didn't see Bernie do any of those things.

By the way - Obama didn't offer her the Vice Presidency either but it didn't matter. She did her duty and helped Obama get elected. What do the Bernie lovers say to that?

Do you have a link for a report that Bernie was offered the VP position?

That would be very interesting to me.

Have you read this?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

It's an article by Donna Brazile -- maybe from a book.

Bernie said it wasn't in the cards, he's not gonna be #2, and that was when he still was running for President. As far as I know, it wasn't offered to him.

Hillary's Secretary of State job was what Obama offered her when she "made nice" after Obama won the primaries. He never asked her to be his running mate. Somebody on this thread said Bernie didn't support Hillary because she didn't ask him to be her VP. I don't know if that's true or not. Please see the entire up-thread, I was responding to a previous poster.

Sanders silent on claim that Russians backed him in 2016

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/bernie-sanders-russia-2016-election-interference-415691

....the VP position?

The closest I can think of is Lyndon Johnson who was a minor Presidential candidate in 1960, never very viable.

Short, sweet and to the point. Bernie Sander's ego is only outmatched by Donald Trump's. With friends like Bernie, the Democratic party needs no enemies. And I voted for the asshole in our primary.

But everyone knew there is no way he would accept the VP nom. Senators have far more power.

And who wants a VP that treated you like that?

And he appointed a Jill Stein supporter on the DNC chair.

This is just revisionist history.

Sid

Those folks who didn't vote for Hillary will rue the day.

....until Labor Day Weekend about five weeks later.

I know he appeared with her and "endorsed" her in New Hampshire two weeks before the Convention, but he still allowed his supporters and his own campaign leaders to claim that he would "win the nomination on the floor".

You might recall how civil rights icon John Lewis was treated by Sanders' people at the convention?

Sanders was so weak in his support for Clinton and that iI found your claims to be funny. In 2008, Hillary Clinton endorsed President Obama within days after the California primary. Clinton's endorsement came before the Texas State Democratic Convention which made that event an easy and fun convention. In 2016. sanders refused to concede and endorse Clinton until he extorted concessions. The 2016 Texas convention was a zoo with Sanders delegates being jerks.

I was a delegate to the DNC convention in Philadelphia and sanders did little to control the hateful actions of his delegates. Under DNC rules, each candidate has full approval rights over their delegates. I was vetted by the Clinton campaign in order to be a delegate. Candidates need to vet their delegates and be responsible for any inappropriate conduct done by their delegates at the convention. Sanders evidently did not vet his delegates at all except to reject one Texas delegate because that delegate would not state that he hated Hillary Clinton (that poor kid was a guest of the Texas Democratic Party to the National Convention to make up for the shabby treatment by the Sanders campaign). There was a ton of poor conduct at the convention including a number of sanders delegates yelling obscenities at my child (who was my guest) and calling her the C-word for not agreeing to get me to change my vote.

There was a planned stunt by the sanders delegates at the National Convention to boo Congressman John Lewis. I was warned of this stunt 20 or 30 minutes in advance by my whip. Sanders evidently knew of this stunt and refused to stop it. Again candidates should be responsible for the bad conduct of their delegates. Sanders did nothing to control his delegates and that hurt the convention and the campaign.

Finally Sanders never released his mailing list. Clinton turned over his list to Obama and actually helped a great deal.

I am amused that you really believe that sanders did much to help stop trump from becoming POTUS.

That is so cute and adorable. And wrong. I was at the National Convention and sanders was half ass in his efforts to support Clinton. Sanders refused to tell his delegates to behave and failed to stop a planned stunt to boo Congressman John Lewis.

I am not the only one who noticed that sanders failed to really support Clinton. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/05/bernie-sanders-is-finally-campaigning-for-hillary-clinton-but-does-she-even-need-him/?utm_term=.59f575bef833

It's all so interesting.

8 weeks and 3 days delayed endorsement.

Do you? Haven't noticed.

Last couple of times it's been for warning people they were being unjustly alerted. "Interfering with forum moderation." I do it in private now.

Proud Bernie supporter here too.

I would have much rather have read that you would work you butt off again for Hilary after the primary, since I suspected then wjhat I know now, that we need a Democrat in the White House.

But thank you anyway, for making my point.

about the primary and gave a hearty f**k you to anyone who voted for Bernie in the primary . You must have missed that posters point I didn't make your point, didn't know you made a point about the primary. Your OP was about the General was it not?

Bernie lobbies Trump to break from NAFTA and impose tariffs on steel imports. However, when Trump does so, Bernie flip flops and demands that Trump exempt steel imported from countries that are mostly white like Canada even though Canada is the largest importer of steel to the U.S.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-13/bernie-sanders-to-trump-on-nafta-for-once-keep-your-promise

President Donald Trump is finding an unlikely ally in his efforts to overhaul the North American Free Trade Agreement: the political left.

Civil-society groups, union leaders and left-wing politicians have opposed almost everything Trump has done. But they’re urging him to stand firm in his attempt to overhaul Nafta -- and face down opposition from business groups, who complain that U.S. companies will be hurt by the proposed changes. Mexico and Canada have called U.S. demands unworkable, including on regional-content requirements for cars and investor-state dispute systems.

Senator Bernie Sanders, an outspoken critic of trade deals in his campaign for president last year, called on Trump to deliver. “When Donald Trump campaigned for president, he promised that he was going to stop corporations from shifting American jobs to Mexico,” Sanders said Wednesday at a rally for the #ReplaceNafta movement in Washington. “For once in your life, keep your promises.”

A poster for the “Replace Nafta” movement that was being distributed at a rally in Washington on Dec. 13.Andrew Mayeda
Many pro-trade Republicans oppose the most contentious U.S. proposals, which the administration says will lure manufacturing back to America. Trump may need votes from the left if he hopes to pass a revised Nafta. That means courting organizations such as advocacy group Public Citizen, which opposes much of Trump’s agenda, including his views on climate change and bank regulations. However, the non-profit is tentatively backing several U.S. positions at the negotiating table, including a push to eliminate tribunals that arbitrate disputes between governments and companies.

Bernie is not a Democrat. He has dog whistled racist themes in scapegoating immigrants and trade. He has also defended gun manufacturers. Finally, even after the election, Bernie has repeatedly attacked Democrats.

It is not just the primaries. What I don't understand is the cult that has grown around Bernie where folks are blind to his grand standing and the flip flops on key Democratic issues like immigration and gun control. However, even more importantly, Bernie's claim to fame is that he attacks Democrats almost as much as he attacks Republicans in order to build his outsider street cred.

Bernie talks about building a movement, but he refuses to be part of the most obvious coalition: the Democratic Party.

One post brought me in here. Even when I expanded the thread I didn't read the OP and I have no interest in what the original OP is discussing. YMMV.

What did you do for Hilary after the Primary?

That's how history will judge you.

I can only hope it will be undone in theirs.

That we left them the country in shambles but we will unwrite the wrong

and they were warned about the Supreme Court going total fascist but they didn't care, meaning, they weren't and never will be liberal.

Stein voters are not here, any more than Trump voters are. Can we please get to work on solving the problem? Or are you trying to divide Dems for some particular reason?

or to at least admit they made a mistake. Then we can move forward together to try to fix this monumental mess.

It's tiresome and bitter here.

They need to be reminded of their folly.

but may have chosen otherwise in the primaries? Are they to be reviled?

Thanks for posting it.

Im just referring to the general.

on stein and saranDon LIES.

They're going to do it again in 2020.

You can Ignore these threads.. instead you're Kicking them.. so thanks for that much.

he got TOLD.

FECKLESS FUCKING stein and saranDon are going to do it again.. they feel NO Fucking Remorse.

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Does that mean that the people who post the same vitriol, day after day, are TRYING to divide Dems? I'm inclined to think not. One formulation of Hanlon's Law is: "Never ascribe to malevolence what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

We can assume that, from now through Election Day 2020 (at least), this barrage will continue.

That hate others on the left more than they do Republicans.

That’s why I click on each one of them. I need to be reminded again and again that I am not alone in my feelings.

When you don't vote for what you consider to be the lesser of two evils, you invariably get the greater evil.
It IS a binary system whether you approve or not.