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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:50 PM Jun 2018

*Suspect in the shooting damaged his fingertips so that law enforcement can't identify him

BREAKING: CBS News reports:
*suspect in the Capital Gazette newspaper shooting damaged his fingertips so that law enforcement can’t identify him from finger prints.
*suspect has no ID
*Smoke bombs/flash bangs were found in this backpack


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*Suspect in the shooting damaged his fingertips so that law enforcement can't identify him (Original Post) MelissaB Jun 2018 OP
Alex Jones tin foil Trumper for sure MattP Jun 2018 #1
Starting to sound like it. n/t cynatnite Jun 2018 #15
I think we can rule out disgruntled co-worker or domestic violence now. tanyev Jun 2018 #2
It certainly sounds like it. I don't think I've heard of anyone doing this before. MelissaB Jun 2018 #3
Assassins use that method. Some other killers use it to. Blue_true Jun 2018 #38
Right. So they'll be mildly inconvenienced. nolabear Jun 2018 #4
They can release his photo .... CatMor Jun 2018 #5
My thoughts as well. Plaster that bastard's photo everywhere. brush Jun 2018 #14
If a "sinister force" was backing him Mariana Jun 2018 #17
Ahhh...shotguns in close quarters like a school or newsroom can... brush Jun 2018 #20
Sure it's suspicious. It's also stupid. Mariana Jun 2018 #35
Assassins use the technique, but they don't get caught. nt Blue_true Jun 2018 #40
I think that he is just a hateful nut that figured out how to use a tradecraft technique. Blue_true Jun 2018 #39
They have him through facial recognition technology-he's had a run in w bettyellen Jun 2018 #27
Can't they use dental records? leftstreet Jun 2018 #6
Or the microchips they put in all of us via vaccines lostnfound Jun 2018 #8
Dental records only work if you think you know who the person is NutmegYankee Jun 2018 #12
Who has your dental records? jberryhill Jun 2018 #29
I thought he was dead leftstreet Jun 2018 #36
If they cut off his finger tips they can reconstruct the finger prints. Historic NY Jun 2018 #7
Not necessarily. Depends on what he did tymorial Jun 2018 #10
Destroyed his fingerprints-- sounds like a bad comic book plot point. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2018 #9
Sounds like a Sean Hannity special C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #11
Suspect refusing to identify self struggle4progress Jun 2018 #13
Contrary to his stupid mind BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #16
What is the significance of this? oberliner Jun 2018 #18
Significant planning. Criminal intent. Hekate Jun 2018 #21
He could be a trump KGB hit man . stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #26
Put him out to be doxxed let the public help ID. Someone went to school with him, worked with him lunasun Jun 2018 #19
Was creeped out by him and Bettie Jun 2018 #31
DNA cant hide him Sedona Jun 2018 #22
DNA, dumbass Hekate Jun 2018 #23
They already are seeking a court order to get it. B2G Jun 2018 #24
Not everybody's DNA is 'on record', thankfully ... mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #30
That stupid stunt will buy him a few hours at most Takket Jun 2018 #25
Yeah. The only way he got away was not to get caught. Blue_true Jun 2018 #41
teeth identification. Iliyah Jun 2018 #28
How would that work, exactly? nt. Mariana Jun 2018 #34
newskin SoCalDem Jun 2018 #32
Like bettyellen Said, They Identified Him Leith Jun 2018 #33
Officer I saw speaking on CNN denied this. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #37
Identified as ex-employee with a grudge. moriah Jun 2018 #42

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
38. Assassins use that method. Some other killers use it to.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:38 PM
Jun 2018

Some spies use it also. They burn the flesh off their fingertip pads, when the area heal, their are no ridges to allow identification.

nolabear

(41,994 posts)
4. Right. So they'll be mildly inconvenienced.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:54 PM
Jun 2018

He sounds like a class one idiot with a lethal weapon. You know, “Super Elite.”

brush

(53,922 posts)
14. My thoughts as well. Plaster that bastard's photo everywhere.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:31 PM
Jun 2018

Altering his prints smacks of some sinister force/s backing him.

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
17. If a "sinister force" was backing him
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:38 PM
Jun 2018

I suspect he'd have more efficient weaponry. No, the fingerprint thing smacks of a dumbass who really thinks that would prevent the police from learning his identity.

brush

(53,922 posts)
20. Ahhh...shotguns in close quarters like a school or newsroom can...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:46 PM
Jun 2018

tear huge holes in bodies. And they've been used in several mass shootings (see Columbine for one).

They can be very lethal and thre are even semi-auto versions of them. I mean come on, five are dead and more injured.

And IMO it's suspicious to me this guy carried no ID, altered his prints and won't identify himself. Who/what is he hiding?

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
35. Sure it's suspicious. It's also stupid.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:16 PM
Jun 2018

Police have lots of other ways to identify people nowadays. They don't need driver's licences and fingerprints anymore.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
40. Assassins use the technique, but they don't get caught. nt
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:43 PM
Jun 2018

But yeah, he likely is some garden variety dumbass.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
39. I think that he is just a hateful nut that figured out how to use a tradecraft technique.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:42 PM
Jun 2018

He may hang out on the fringe of society or have a desire to. Police indicated that him and the paper have a history, cops will likely piece together things in a day or so.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
27. They have him through facial recognition technology-he's had a run in w
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:16 PM
Jun 2018

the police once before, and he’s in MD resident.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
12. Dental records only work if you think you know who the person is
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:13 PM
Jun 2018

An example would be 3 people are burned unrecognizable. Since you know who the victims are, you can obtain their dentist's records to identify the remains. If you don't have a clue who the victim is, you have no way to obtain a dentists record, which is otherwise private medical info.

Historic NY

(37,454 posts)
7. If they cut off his finger tips they can reconstruct the finger prints.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:55 PM
Jun 2018

like dead people the strip off the skin like a glove

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
10. Not necessarily. Depends on what he did
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:08 PM
Jun 2018

They can be removed temporarily by damaging the upper layer but if he burned them down to or damaged the 2nd layer they may not return. More likely they will take dental impressions and attempt to hasten DNA.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
9. Destroyed his fingerprints-- sounds like a bad comic book plot point.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jun 2018

"Holy pinkie swear, Batman-- he's got no fingerprints!"

C_U_L8R

(45,025 posts)
11. Sounds like a Sean Hannity special
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:13 PM
Jun 2018

He’s quite the expert advising right wing nutters on covering up and destroying evidence

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
13. Suspect refusing to identify self
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:22 PM
Jun 2018

... The shooter, who used a shotgun, is refusing to talk to investigators or give his name, and he was not carrying any identification, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told the Los Angeles Times, speaking anonymous because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

“He’s not been particularly cooperative,” County Executive Steve Schuh said in an interview with CNN. “Law enforcement does have a name” for the suspect, but officials haven’t confirmed it ...

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/la-na-newspaper-shooting-20180628-story.html

BumRushDaShow

(129,656 posts)
16. Contrary to his stupid mind
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:37 PM
Jun 2018

Skin cells actually grow back and the prints will return eventually, unless he went crazy and took all the layers off and then that would be a bloody mess.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
19. Put him out to be doxxed let the public help ID. Someone went to school with him, worked with him
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:45 PM
Jun 2018

He is someone's neighbor , relative .

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
30. Not everybody's DNA is 'on record', thankfully ...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:25 PM
Jun 2018

They can only take it from you (and catalog it) when you're arrested (at minimum). Same goes for fingerprints, too, though so the fact that he was careful to try to destroy them suggests ... dude's been arrested. And if he has been, facial recognition is gonna nail him anyway.

If he's not been arrested though and has like lived out in BFE Montana on some militia ranch his whole adult life ... it could actually turn out to be hard to ID him.

I should also say if the print removal is all healed i.e. done awhile ago, first place to start is with people who were arrested in the past ... who lacked prints ... can't be THAT many of 'em.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
41. Yeah. The only way he got away was not to get caught.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:49 PM
Jun 2018

Going to be interesting as information come out on him. Sounds like a rightwing nut that has been waiting to pop for a while.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
33. Like bettyellen Said, They Identified Him
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:55 PM
Jun 2018

through facial recognition software.

I've heard that It's actually easy to temporarily remove your fingerprints: pineapple juice. Give him a couple days for them to come back, then fingerprint him.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
37. Officer I saw speaking on CNN denied this.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:52 PM
Jun 2018

He said it was just a false rumor being spread on the internet.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
42. Identified as ex-employee with a grudge.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:50 PM
Jun 2018
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ramos-search-20180628-story.html

A Laurel man with a long-standing grudge against The Capital is being held as the suspect in the deadly shooting Thursday at the Annapolis newspaper, according to law enforcement sources.

Police and federal agents gathered late Thursday outside the address of 38-year-old Jarrod W. Ramos. Rich McLaughlin, chief of the Laurel police department, said his officers were there as part of the investigation into the shooting at the newspaper, and other sources identified Ramos as the suspect.

In 2012, Ramos filed a defamation lawsuit against the paper and a columnist over a July 2011 article that covered a criminal harassment charge against him.

He brought the suit against then-columnist Eric Hartley, naming Capital Gazette Communications and Thomas Marquardt, the paper’s former editor and publisher, as defendants.
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