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"Lions kill and eat at least three rhino poachers at South Africa nature reserve" (Original Post) tblue37 Jul 2018 OP
Kitties! MineralMan Jul 2018 #1
Karma! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #155
Hey how about those LIONS?? dicksmc3 Jul 2018 #229
They missed one FakeNoose Jul 2018 #184
Who's a good boy? BigMin28 Jul 2018 #2
Yep. Lions 3, poachers 0. brush Jul 2018 #147
Probably a small group of good girls. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #159
Does ANYONE feel bad for these people? I don't! nt USALiberal Jul 2018 #3
Nope. nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #6
there are 7 billion people on this planet lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #7
Neither do I sakabatou Jul 2018 #39
I don't either... mithnanthy Jul 2018 #55
You survived psychologically and philosophically. defacto7 Jul 2018 #91
I really don't care. Do U? llmart Jul 2018 #75
Ouch! calimary Jul 2018 #135
NO!!!! nt jrthin Jul 2018 #77
Not one teeny, tiny... 3catwoman3 Jul 2018 #115
Sounds like justice served, to me. calimary Jul 2018 #134
Justice served with catsup!!! Coventina Jul 2018 #151
:D calimary Jul 2018 #165
And dinner served, as well! nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #212
I'm noshing on a big nope-burger Politicub Jul 2018 #169
For no other reason than that I just want to post my actual favorite lion picture: tblue37 Jul 2018 #4
Nice.. Here's mine (Cecil the Lion) hlthe2b Jul 2018 #13
All I can say is... pazzyanne Jul 2018 #25
Cecil's death changed laws all over the world. His Royal Legacy. Kittycow Jul 2018 #43
. CountAllVotes Jul 2018 #37
so beautiful bdamomma Jul 2018 #126
Our own Cecil Rorey Jul 2018 #131
Here's mine: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #22
I love that!! CrispyQ Jul 2018 #27
LOVE it! nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #82
I love it!! bdamomma Jul 2018 #127
Enjoying the shade Rorey Jul 2018 #132
I was at the tiger cage at Bronx Zoo years ago - 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #29
We had a cat like that and it pretty much bossed our other cat and dog cstanleytech Jul 2018 #234
Lesson to follow... 3-2-1 keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #182
as John Lennon said.... spanone Jul 2018 #5
This! Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #45
Maybe the game wardens actually captured them and staked them out to feed the brewens Jul 2018 #8
Probably a little far for a normal human being... elias7 Jul 2018 #154
Good point! 7962 Jul 2018 #195
Poor things! I hope they don't get sick! nt Xipe Totec Jul 2018 #9
thank you!!! niyad Jul 2018 #84
Yes! Rorey Jul 2018 #130
Poachers must be tasty! They found a head, three pairs of shoes and weapons. MoonRiver Jul 2018 #10
Well that's one way to get ahead... N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2018 #42
Still funny! MoonRiver Jul 2018 #58
I'm horrible I suppose, but I am having trouble working up any real sadness about this... hlthe2b Jul 2018 #11
Whew! 2golddogs Jul 2018 #12
I must be so sick. I'm smiling too! lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #16
Well done, boys! Aristus Jul 2018 #14
Ummmm... RobinA Jul 2018 #59
You're right. I didn't think of that. Aristus Jul 2018 #61
Sad news. awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #15
This story wins the Internet today! ffr Jul 2018 #17
Nature strikes back with teeth. EricJohnson Jul 2018 #18
Karma homegirl Jul 2018 #34
That would be a good name for this lion! Nt spooky3 Jul 2018 #60
I don't hunt anymore SonofDonald Jul 2018 #19
Take it with a grain of salt. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #33
Raw Story always links to the original story, in my experience. Demit Jul 2018 #46
I have been labeled a conspiracy theorist for not buying everything the DM sells. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #47
Good to know! I find that knee-jerk disbelief in legitimate sources is Demit Jul 2018 #63
Daily Mail should always be questioned IronLionZion Jul 2018 #74
I gotta know why... N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2018 #51
"Some people dismiss Raw Story." NCTraveler Jul 2018 #64
I feel the same, so anytime I see a legit article from RawStory, I only share the original article Lisa0825 Jul 2018 #89
Ok, thanks just needed to know... N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2018 #183
Reminds me of the wise words Sherman A1 Jul 2018 #20
At least one of the lions must have been named "Self," then. nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #21
Hi. Im Larry and this is my brother Self and my other brother Self. ret5hd Jul 2018 #38
I've thought about changing my name to Self IronLionZion Jul 2018 #71
I should care about humans vercetti2021 Jul 2018 #23
Good, Kitties! pazzyanne Jul 2018 #24
I second that!! bdamomma Jul 2018 #124
I hope they don't give the lions indigestion. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #26
Thoughts and prayers. nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #28
I would feel badly Chemisse Jul 2018 #30
Extreme Karma Zambero Jul 2018 #31
Guess the poachers weren't the top predators after all Kittycow Jul 2018 #53
A tip of the hat from the rhinos. Sneederbunk Jul 2018 #32
Asked for statement, lion rolled eyes and said, "Chomp chomp." Bongo Prophet Jul 2018 #35
LOL!! AllyCat Jul 2018 #99
Hope they get that giraffe woman next (n/t) Moostache Jul 2018 #36
I hate when my day goes like that. lpbk2713 Jul 2018 #40
I have a difficult time giving a tinker's cuss about anyone who kills for entertainment LanternWaste Jul 2018 #41
Karma... Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #44
Good kitty! redstatebluegirl Jul 2018 #48
According to the lions Bob Loblaw Jul 2018 #49
Shame on you. Kittycow Jul 2018 #57
Womp womp? RockRaven Jul 2018 #50
Nom nom nom samplegirl Jul 2018 #52
Good. The human race is better off. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #54
If hunting is a sport, Lions 3, Humans 0. Yavin4 Jul 2018 #56
Good kitties! IronLionZion Jul 2018 #62
The more stupid poachers hang out in the wild, MoonRiver Jul 2018 #66
Moar Lions! jmbar2 Jul 2018 #65
I bet the poachers thought they were hot shit... GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #67
By now that's actually what they *are*! nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #86
First world view of Third world people. Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #68
Nope. There are millions of people in 3rd wold countries who don't prey upon Coventina Jul 2018 #80
Just because you don't buy it, doesn't mean it's not true. Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #100
OK, "It's not true." There really are millions of 3rd world people Coventina Jul 2018 #104
Scoot over-- I'm about to do The Hustle. LanternWaste Jul 2018 #107
. Coventina Jul 2018 #110
Learn. Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #113
It's an EXCUSE and nothing more. Coventina Jul 2018 #114
Oh nonsense. They can't EAT, buy CLOTHES, or MEDICINE Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #117
Yes, it absolutely is an excuse. It is the worst thing humans can do. Coventina Jul 2018 #118
Unless you have been starving yourself or had sick kids that Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #119
Your opinion is also blather. Coventina Jul 2018 #120
I presented facts not opinion. Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #121
That would be a no, no, and no. Coventina Jul 2018 #123
We're done. You obviously equte animal life and human life Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #140
Yes, I absolutely do and I'm proud of it. Coventina Jul 2018 #150
Agree 1000%. Neema Jul 2018 #190
Mosquitoes? kag Jul 2018 #233
It's not just first world judgment. I can tell you for a fact that plenty of people who Neema Jul 2018 #142
You have objective evidence pointing to all poachers have zero choice in their profession? LanternWaste Jul 2018 #105
How many do you want? Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #112
500 million Africans subsist on $1.90 per day. John Fante Jul 2018 #138
No, but I value human life more than animal life. Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #139
I value the lives of critically endangered John Fante Jul 2018 #143
When you and your kids are starving, you may judge away Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #145
I repeat: 500 million Africans subsist on $1.90 per day. John Fante Jul 2018 #148
Well obviously some of them are... Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #172
Yeah and they're fucking scumbags. I couldn't care less if they're poor. John Fante Jul 2018 #188
I question your use billh58 Jul 2018 #149
Of for fucks sake Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #175
Nice comeback Bubba, billh58 Jul 2018 #177
Why call someone a freeper simply because they have a different point of view? Tipperary Jul 2018 #231
You are 100% correct billh58 Jul 2018 #180
So if I understand your argument here it is: Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #168
No. I'm saying the grave dancing here is pretty fucking sick Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #171
Please notice that this one billh58 Jul 2018 #178
Oh, valueing human life more than animal life is Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #186
It's your billh58 Jul 2018 #192
Ok but help me out here. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #193
Of course there is. Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #197
But to be clear, you think it is ok to hunt a species Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #227
Yes, as long as billh58 Jul 2018 #237
One of my dearest friends lives in a third world country, is dirt poor, and scrapes by every day Neema Jul 2018 #141
Thank you, Neema!! Duppers Jul 2018 #200
I hate the idea that being poor means you'll do anything. Neema Jul 2018 #220
Wish everyone could know your friend. Duppers Jul 2018 #222
I wish everyone could know him too. He is in my top five Neema Jul 2018 #223
DUers have recommended this free photo hosting site Duppers Jul 2018 #224
Only good poacher is a dead poacher Devil Child Jul 2018 #146
Suppose I was poor, hungry, and in dire straights so I went hunting my fellow humans. hunter Jul 2018 #167
That is just stupid Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #170
I'm not trolling. hunter Jul 2018 #181
"Hefty unicorns"! Brilliant! tblue37 Jul 2018 #215
This one is too billh58 Jul 2018 #179
"Straits" is how it is spelled in this context. Tipperary Jul 2018 #232
Thanks. hunter Jul 2018 #236
Whatevs RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #185
cool story bro ! stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #228
Can we feed them Tess Talley? Still In Wisconsin Jul 2018 #69
glad you posted that. trueblue2007 Jul 2018 #87
The economic conditions of this country are probably really bad... Joe941 Jul 2018 #70
Poverty existed before this 8000% increase in poaching. Duppers Jul 2018 #203
... catbyte Jul 2018 #72
Love that smiling lion malaise Jul 2018 #73
good heaven05 Jul 2018 #76
Lions 3, Poachers 0. Go Lions! sinkingfeeling Jul 2018 #78
.... bdamomma Jul 2018 #125
Good kitty! geardaddy Jul 2018 #79
GOOD KITTIES!!!!!!!! niyad Jul 2018 #81
Karma😼 Hulk Jul 2018 #83
Seems like Kitty has a nice smile. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #85
+10000 Duppers Jul 2018 #205
If the lions killed and ate Eric and Don Jr. would the lions get sick? Botany Jul 2018 #88
Probably, but the problem with being a cat who lives in the wild The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #92
LOL! n/t Coventina Jul 2018 #95
I needed that laugh Rorey Jul 2018 #133
3 less assholes in the world. mikeysnot Jul 2018 #90
Apex predator takes out Apex predator. Solly Mack Jul 2018 #93
Chump's boys need to take heed. MoonRiver Jul 2018 #96
They probably take people along whose only job is to keep them protected from all threats. Solly Mack Jul 2018 #103
Too bad the Trump kids didn't make that trek. LiberalFighter Jul 2018 #94
Alternative headline: "Rhino Poachers Are Shit". backscatter712 Jul 2018 #97
Cannot imagine the indigestion they got! Poor kitties! AllyCat Jul 2018 #98
I send them my thoughts and prayers. muntrv Jul 2018 #101
I hope no one was hurt. H2O Man Jul 2018 #102
Hurt? Duppers Jul 2018 #206
Yes, the lions. H2O Man Jul 2018 #209
Should we send ketchup? keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #106
I don't feel anything. The lions were following their defacto7 Jul 2018 #108
Natural selection at its finest. roamer65 Jul 2018 #109
Silly poachers. MFM008 Jul 2018 #111
Neener neener! nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #122
Well good DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #116
Will come back later to post gif of tiny violin! KCDebbie Jul 2018 #128
Thoughts and prayers that two of them have the last name "Trump" Rorey Jul 2018 #129
Thanks for the feel good story in these dark times :) Takket Jul 2018 #136
Go Lions!!! Iggo Jul 2018 #137
i don't feel sorry for them. barbtries Jul 2018 #144
Good Kitty!!! Ferrets are Cool Jul 2018 #152
Eric and Don Jr. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #160
Don't need to be mean, but....I will be.... Ferrets are Cool Jul 2018 #191
Poach not lest ye be poached yourselves! rocktivity Jul 2018 #153
Nah--they ate 'em raw. nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #216
Good kitties! shanti Jul 2018 #156
I guess the lion wasn't sleeping that night after all. yellowcanine Jul 2018 #157
Yaaaaay Lions!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2018 #158
Just think of it as "culling the herd." kskiska Jul 2018 #161
Karma Is a Bitch! Sorry They Didn't Eat a Few More! DoctorJoJo Jul 2018 #162
Protect these lions now. Duppers Jul 2018 #163
I know, right? If that happened here with bears, Coventina Jul 2018 #164
Me too. My 1st thought was that they'll go after Duppers Jul 2018 #207
Good kitties! Crunchy Frog Jul 2018 #166
Glad to hear the lions weren't immediately euthanized blogslut Jul 2018 #173
Thank the sky dog for this! Duppers Jul 2018 #208
1 Yummy 2 yummy 3 yummy 😋 judesedit Jul 2018 #174
Yay! SouthernIrish Jul 2018 #176
mmmm. poachers . BURRP. AllaN01Bear Jul 2018 #187
Hero Kitties Raine Jul 2018 #189
I hope the lions didn't get heartburn! Niagara Jul 2018 #194
C'mon lions!!! BobTheSubgenius Jul 2018 #196
What a shame! SergeStorms Jul 2018 #198
Nah--it would be "morning in America" (pace Ronnie Reagan). nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #214
The poachers were members of the NRA??? Marengo Jul 2018 #235
ahhh... I feel better now... I needed some good news! liberalla Jul 2018 #199
That moment when you witness Karma in all its glorious splendor. dflprincess Jul 2018 #201
Hope they didn't get sick rpannier Jul 2018 #202
How awful! Kablooie Jul 2018 #204
Trump should be fed to them. triron Jul 2018 #210
Maybe the Lions could be one team that WOULD visit the White House. lpbk2713 Jul 2018 #219
This message was self-deleted by its author mucifer Jul 2018 #211
This is a terrible story... brooklynite Jul 2018 #213
Raw Story headline is a bit misleading rpannier Jul 2018 #217
My only concern is for the lions. I have their govt doesn't rule that they're pests Calista241 Jul 2018 #218
Wow, right on the same day Pruitt resigns!?! What a great day! mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #221
Thoughts and prayers! BlueMTexpat Jul 2018 #225
. RandySF Jul 2018 #226
Just as likely they were killed by humans and left for lions to eat. McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #230

dicksmc3

(262 posts)
229. Hey how about those LIONS??
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 07:39 AM
Jul 2018

Chalk up a win (or three) for the Lions!! Good job!! Too bad the big bad trump boys weren't in that group!!

mithnanthy

(1,725 posts)
55. I don't either...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:02 PM
Jul 2018

My cruel adopted father was an International big game hunter who had SO MANY trophies of his "kills". And he had many videos of those horrible events where he was laughing and jumping on their bodies. Needless to say we didn't get along at all. I saw him on his death bed in the hospital, where they had to tie down his arms....and I saw the FEAR in his eyes. All I could think of was...Karma IS a Bitch. I love all animals, and I don't feel bad for the murderers of them.

calimary

(81,527 posts)
134. Sounds like justice served, to me.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jul 2018

Both simple justice and poetic justice. Karma in this case is a hungry carnivore (karma-vore?) They got what they deserved.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
43. Cecil's death changed laws all over the world. His Royal Legacy.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:50 AM
Jul 2018

I didn't know that much about dear Cecil and it broke my heart to read about his ordeal.

I just briefly googled it and his pride is doing well along with his Cubs.

But it's still a tragedy.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
131. Our own Cecil
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jul 2018

We sort of adopted a feral cat around the same time that Cecil was killed. We named him Cecil. He was a Himalayan. We were never able to tame him, but we provided as well as we could for him. He stopped showing up last year after a couple of years of our efforts.

RIP both Cecil the Lion and Cecil the Cat.

3Hotdogs

(12,439 posts)
29. I was at the tiger cage at Bronx Zoo years ago -
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:39 AM
Jul 2018

Mom and cub were in cage. Mom's tail was switching. Cub bit into mom's tail. Mom swatted cup across the floor.

cstanleytech

(26,334 posts)
234. We had a cat like that and it pretty much bossed our other cat and dog
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 09:46 AM
Jul 2018

around and when they got out of line he let them know it.

brewens

(13,631 posts)
8. Maybe the game wardens actually captured them and staked them out to feed the
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:44 AM
Jul 2018

lions? Can't say I blame them if they did.

elias7

(4,029 posts)
154. Probably a little far for a normal human being...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 04:28 PM
Jul 2018

But I wouldn’t be surprised if the thought crossed my mind if I were in their shoes...

hlthe2b

(102,419 posts)
11. I'm horrible I suppose, but I am having trouble working up any real sadness about this...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:45 AM
Jul 2018

Count me on Team Lion. Now, if only we could revisit the whole Cecil the lion-killing dentist episode.

2golddogs

(107 posts)
12. Whew!
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:45 AM
Jul 2018

Not gonna apologize, this made me feel better than anything I've read in a week. I actually smiled as I read.😊

Aristus

(66,478 posts)
14. Well done, boys!
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:47 AM
Jul 2018

I hope this event has the added effect of scaring potential poachers away for good.

RobinA

(9,898 posts)
59. Ummmm...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:06 PM
Jul 2018

females are generally the hunters in the lion world. Unlike other cats, they do hunt in groups.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
19. I don't hunt anymore
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:06 AM
Jul 2018

But I used to, only for subsistence not for trophies or "Sport".

But isn't the fact that you're carrying loaded weapons and are actually trying to kill an animal in lion country give you a slight amount of the "be prepared" mindset?.

Three of them seem to have forgotten the scouts motto, but that's ok, less dead Rhinos and the lions didn't miss a meal.

"For Sale, three rifles, never fired"

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
46. Raw Story always links to the original story, in my experience.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:52 AM
Jul 2018

In this case it was the Times of London and the Daily Mail. You're quite a doubter, to doubt those sources.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
47. I have been labeled a conspiracy theorist for not buying everything the DM sells.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:53 AM
Jul 2018


"Raw Story always links to the original story, in my experience."

Or multiple questionable sources if needed.
 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
63. Good to know! I find that knee-jerk disbelief in legitimate sources is
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jul 2018

always a helpful indicator in judging the value of a person's posts.

IronLionZion

(45,562 posts)
74. Daily Mail should always be questioned
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jul 2018

don't know anything about the Times but it's always good to see who else is reporting some amazing scoop that one British tabloid has about events on another continent. They publish some incredible stuff about the US all the time that no US source can corroborate.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,788 posts)
51. I gotta know why...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:56 AM
Jul 2018

Some people dismiss Raw Story. It is just a news compilation site they usually link to the original piece which may be a longer fleshed out article.
We here at DU do the same thing. I go there to get a brief overview of what’s going on and follow the original article. When I come here I find the same headlines but at least here there may be intelligent insight into the subject.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
64. "Some people dismiss Raw Story."
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:16 PM
Jul 2018

I don't dismiss them. I take them with a grain of salt. They often publish headlines that are not backed up by the story in anyway at all, use highly questionable sources with no additional backup, and take the Fox route of making news.

They have often published great stories. I simply take them with a grain of salt. Good rule to live by when it comes to RawStory.

Lisa0825

(14,487 posts)
89. I feel the same, so anytime I see a legit article from RawStory, I only share the original article
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:51 PM
Jul 2018

that they linked from, or I google to find a better source. I will not share from a site that posts so many sensationalist and misleading headlines.

IronLionZion

(45,562 posts)
71. I've thought about changing my name to Self
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:27 PM
Jul 2018

so I can go around inflicting punishment upon whoever I want and it will always be Self-Inflicted!

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
30. I would feel badly
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:40 AM
Jul 2018

Except I am too happy about the large mammals that will continue to exist on this earth because these three men are dead.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
53. Guess the poachers weren't the top predators after all
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jul 2018

with their shiny guns and such.

Even the Daily Mail commenters are happy about the poachers getting their just due.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
41. I have a difficult time giving a tinker's cuss about anyone who kills for entertainment
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:47 AM
Jul 2018

I have less difficult a time bemoaning their luckless fate.

Yavin4

(35,450 posts)
56. If hunting is a sport, Lions 3, Humans 0.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:02 PM
Jul 2018

First time Lions have won anything significant in a long time. I'm looking at you Detroit.

IronLionZion

(45,562 posts)
62. Good kitties!
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:10 PM
Jul 2018



The only downside is that it's never good for wild animals to develop a taste for human flesh, because I wouldn't want them to go attacking innocent villagers or have to be put down.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
66. The more stupid poachers hang out in the wild,
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:19 PM
Jul 2018

the more lions and other predators will take advantage of this easy prey. Maybe stupid poachers will get a clue? I know that’s an oxymoron.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
68. First world view of Third world people.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:24 PM
Jul 2018

Most of the poachers are dirt poor people trying to feed, educate, and clothe thwir children.

They are desperate and I feel sorry for them. What would you do if it was your children or a rhino?

Granted, were the actual dealers the guys who were eaten, I might have a different opinion, bit this is not something to celebrate.

Basicy, it's dirt poor men trying desperately to make some money where no opportunity exists we're ised by rich cartels and wound up killed by lions.

Coventina

(27,215 posts)
80. Nope. There are millions of people in 3rd wold countries who don't prey upon
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jul 2018

endangered rhinos.

Not buying it.

Rhino poachers inflict horrible cruelty on the animals they prey upon.

Not feeling sorry for those creeps for one single moment.

Coventina

(27,215 posts)
104. OK, "It's not true." There really are millions of 3rd world people
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jul 2018

who do not resort to cruelty to improve their circumstances.

But thanks, I will grave dance some more.

Coventina

(27,215 posts)
114. It's an EXCUSE and nothing more.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:52 PM
Jul 2018

No one is questioning the serious issue of poverty.

But being in poverty is no excuse for cruelty.

These men (presumably men) went into a protected area with the intent to commit heinous crimes. There is no excuse for that. None. Zip. Nada. They took their chances, and lost. No pity.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
117. Oh nonsense. They can't EAT, buy CLOTHES, or MEDICINE
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:56 PM
Jul 2018

That's not an excuse, nor is it cruel, that's survival.

Coventina

(27,215 posts)
118. Yes, it absolutely is an excuse. It is the worst thing humans can do.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jul 2018

To inflict needless pain on a fellow creature.

Again, millions of their fellow citizens are choosing NOT to do these horrific things.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
119. Unless you have been starving yourself or had sick kids that
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 02:05 PM
Jul 2018

You can't get medicine for, your opinion is blather.

Are you poor? I mean third world poor? Can you afford food? Medicine? Clothing?

Tell me how you were starving but refused to eat a chicken to spare it's life....

First. World. Judgement.

Coventina

(27,215 posts)
120. Your opinion is also blather.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 02:06 PM
Jul 2018

I am not poor now, but I have been.

I was homeless most of my childhood.

But, wow, somehow my parents never turned to violent crime because we were homeless.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
121. I presented facts not opinion.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 02:08 PM
Jul 2018

And if your parents got welfare, Medicaid, or WIC your experience is not comparable.

Coventina

(27,215 posts)
123. That would be a no, no, and no.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jul 2018

I am also presenting facts.

1) Millions of people live in poverty without poaching.

2) Poaching is a violent CRIME as well as being CRUELTY for NOTHING. There is nothing magic about rhino horn. It is the same as our fingernails.

3) There are too many people on the planet, and not enough rhinos. And I say this as a mother whose only child died. So I know the pain of parental loss. I didn't run out and commit crimes to save my child.

There IS NO EXCUSE FOR POACHING!

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
140. We're done. You obviously equte animal life and human life
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:25 PM
Jul 2018

The same. I don't and never will. I like meat, leather, and geletin.

Coventina

(27,215 posts)
150. Yes, I absolutely do and I'm proud of it.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 04:15 PM
Jul 2018

There's nothing magical about humans that make us better.

In fact, everything we do as a species proves that we're generally worse.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
142. It's not just first world judgment. I can tell you for a fact that plenty of people who
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:37 PM
Jul 2018

live alongside these poachers in the same economic conditions think they are despicable as well. They also have mouths to feed and medical bills and face just as much hardship. But they also see that sending a species into extinction is not the answer. Not just because it's inhumane, it's short-sighted. What will some of these countries have left if they lose their natural treasures?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
105. You have objective evidence pointing to all poachers have zero choice in their profession?
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jul 2018

Or simply an unsupported allegation designed to allow self-righteousness a more organic foot in the door?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
112. How many do you want?
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:48 PM
Jul 2018

This is no secret. It's well documented. First world judgement on Third world people who are used by First world people to support their appetite.

http://www.borgenmagazine.com/connection-poaching-and-poverty/

Hey, if you didn't buy your Chinese iPhone, maybe the guy over there wouldn't have they money to buy rhino horn for his flacid prick.

You all are taking joy attempting to fix the blame not the cause.

It's the same argument if we didn't have a bunch of rich people with a cocaine habit, poor villagers wouldn't be growing it as a cash crop.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
138. 500 million Africans subsist on $1.90 per day.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:20 PM
Jul 2018

How many of them are out there sending these stunning crearures into extinction? Would you support a contract killer in Africa if he did it to feed his family?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
139. No, but I value human life more than animal life.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:23 PM
Jul 2018

I also eat meat, wear leather, and.loke baseballs and footballs.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
143. I value the lives of critically endangered
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:40 PM
Jul 2018

species more than I do poachers - these people are a blight on this planet. Like I said, 500 million Africans living in poverty don't hunt rhinos to make a living. What makes these asshole poachers so special?

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
148. I repeat: 500 million Africans subsist on $1.90 per day.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 04:10 PM
Jul 2018

Extreme poverty. They're not poaching to survive, so spare me your excuses.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
188. Yeah and they're fucking scumbags. I couldn't care less if they're poor.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:41 PM
Jul 2018

There are billions of people living in third world conditions and they're not illegally poaching rhinos to make ends meet. THEY have my sympathy.

When the lions shit these poachers out, only then will they provide value to this planet - as fertilizer for the earth.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
149. I question your use
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 04:14 PM
Jul 2018

of the word "value." Poaching is illegal -- period.

By your accounting, selling drugs, human trafficking, slavery, and killing for hire are all accpetable "values" for those who are impoverished. Thanks anyway Bubba, but I value the lions lives much more than those of the vermin who poach for a despicable "living."

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
175. Of for fucks sake
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:22 PM
Jul 2018

Can we not go down the rabbit hole? Now I'm okay with human trafficking?

LOL. Did you eat a lot of paint chips as a kid?

billh58

(6,635 posts)
177. Nice comeback Bubba,
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:29 PM
Jul 2018

but your defense of criminal behavior tells me a lot about your moral character. Don't you miss your friends at FR?

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
231. Why call someone a freeper simply because they have a different point of view?
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 08:46 AM
Jul 2018

That kind of thing makes du suck.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
180. You are 100% correct
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jul 2018

but some people "value" criminal behavior over the rights and survival of endangered species. Not a very Democratic trait.

Voltaire2

(13,213 posts)
168. So if I understand your argument here it is:
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:00 PM
Jul 2018

Human life is more valuable than (other) animal life, therefore anything a human does to survive, no matter how much pain and suffering it inflicts on other animals, even if it causes the extinction of an entire species, even if there are other choices of behavior, is entirely justified.

Is that correct?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
171. No. I'm saying the grave dancing here is pretty fucking sick
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:13 PM
Jul 2018

And unless you have been in the shoes of these people, don't need so fast to judge. As the hound told the horse "It is one thing to run for your dinner, it is quite another to run for your life"

It doesn't make it right, but these are desperate people.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
178. Please notice that this one
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jul 2018

won't answer direct questions, but dances to the right-wing music about the "sanctity of human life."

Voltaire2

(13,213 posts)
193. Ok but help me out here.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 08:58 PM
Jul 2018

I’m trying to understand what you meant when you wrote:

“No, but I value human life more than animal life.
I also eat meat, wear leather, and.loke baseballs and footballs.”

As an argument in defense of hunting a species to extinction.

Are there any limits on what humans can do to other animals?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
197. Of course there is.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:35 PM
Jul 2018

My position is, don't be so quick to judge these poachers and rejoice in their deaths. Most of them are woefully poor. They did not do this to buy a fucking Mercedes. They likely did it for food and shelter. It is why poaching is so prevalent in villages that border game preserves. It is a well known obstacle. In fact, when poachers are killed, many of the remaining villagers get angry and are less apt to help the rangers. Facts are facts and little emotional hissy fit don't change the reality of the world.

Bit this is DU, where the Pope gets castigated because he won't allow women priests, but if you disparage a radical Muslim ( the ones who stone women to death) you are excoriate. So there's that..

Neema

(1,151 posts)
141. One of my dearest friends lives in a third world country, is dirt poor, and scrapes by every day
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:33 PM
Jul 2018

to feed his kids and send them to school. He would never in a million years poach animals no matter how desperate he was. He thinks poachers are despicable and deserve any punishment they get. Dealers or no dealers, if there weren't poachers willing to pull the trigger there wouldn't be species on the brink of extinction.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
200. Thank you, Neema!!
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:12 PM
Jul 2018




Also, what is the root of this slaughter? Poverty in Africa existed before the huge market for rhino horns.

"Rhinos are being decimated by poaching. In South Africa, home to almost 80% of the world’s rhinos, more than a thousand have been slaughtered annually during the past four years. That’s 8,000% more than were killed a decade ago, in 2007. Last year rangers in Kruger National Park were called out to stop more than 2,800 incursions by poachers—roughly eight every day.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/wildlife-watch-rhino-horn-china/


Bottom line is Chinese medicine's crazy ideas about animal parts must be changed. The Chinese gov't makes insincere efforts to halt the trade.
(I've been attacked here for attacking Asian tradition but I'm sorry, if it means killing animals, I do not care about your traditions. Get some empathy and join the 21st century.)



Neema

(1,151 posts)
220. I hate the idea that being poor means you'll do anything.
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 12:40 AM
Jul 2018

My friend is the kindest, most principled person I know. And everyone I've met through him is the same. They love their country so much and all the beautiful animals that live in it. Almost every day he sends photos of one gorgeous creature or another, and he never tires of seeing them.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
222. Wish everyone could know your friend.
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 12:51 AM
Jul 2018

Thank you again.

Would consider posting some of his photos occasionally?

Neema

(1,151 posts)
223. I wish everyone could know him too. He is in my top five
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 12:55 AM
Jul 2018

favorite people in the whole world. I'm pretty sure if I met all 7 billion people on this planet he'd still be in my top five.

I have tons of photos I could post if I knew how. LOL!

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
224. DUers have recommended this free photo hosting site
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 01:13 AM
Jul 2018
http://tinypic.com/index.php

I not yet tried it but intend to. You upload from your computer or phone, the site then gives you a jpeg link to post anywhere.

Hope it works for you. Please let me know. Looking forward to seeing your pics. Thanks.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
146. Only good poacher is a dead poacher
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:58 PM
Jul 2018

Lions did the work the game wardens should have done, which is ruthless elimination of poachers.

Now if you excuse me, I have to get back to grave dancing.

hunter

(38,337 posts)
167. Suppose I was poor, hungry, and in dire straights so I went hunting my fellow humans.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jul 2018

Hey, that guy looks tasty, good as pork, and I'll bet I'd get good money pawning his stuff.

Twofer!




hunter

(38,337 posts)
181. I'm not trolling.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:47 PM
Jul 2018

God may value his hefty unicorns more than us humans. In that case we humans are screwed.

Life is cheap unless we choose otherwise.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
179. This one is too
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:38 PM
Jul 2018

dense to see the parallels, but apologizes for criminal behavior just like the Trumpster.

hunter

(38,337 posts)
236. Thanks.
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 11:22 AM
Jul 2018

I always need a good editor.

Whenever I think about spelling and grammar I freeze up and don't write anything.



 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
185. Whatevs
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:16 PM
Jul 2018

There are dangers to any job, and they got taken out by one.

I won't vilify the lions like you are.

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
70. The economic conditions of this country are probably really bad...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:26 PM
Jul 2018

which causes people to look for ways to earn money. Some of the answer to ridding the world of poachers is to create economic success so people don't have look to these types of illegal activities to try to make money. Other - better - opportunities will be available.

Honestly I'm not that upset about this but also recognize the poor economy that leads people to do some of these things.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
203. Poverty existed before this 8000% increase in poaching.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:27 PM
Jul 2018

Foreign countries are exploiting poor African countries. They need governments that push back and investors will to help the people.

And more Jimmy Carters!

PatrickforO

(14,594 posts)
85. Seems like Kitty has a nice smile.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:45 PM
Jul 2018

I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for rhino poachers.

But................it might be kind of the same thing as the Somali pirates, where the Somalis are pirates when once they were coastal fisherpeople because a) Europeans and Japanese fished out their waters, b) European corporate interests dump toxic waste off the Somali coast, making it impossible for OTHER fish to come back. So they became pirates.

Is it the same with these poachers? What kinds of jobs are available there? Do the people have enough food? What kind of infrastructure is in place? Are there any safety nets for the unemployed? Is there national healthcare?

It may be time for the west to rethink its policies of colonialism and begin thinking of humanity as one species and the earth as our home - a home that we share with other wild species, and domestic species. Now, we treat ourselves like shit. It bothers me every day that over 25,000 people die of starvation. Why? Mostly because of the policies of the west, and our nationalism and capitalism.

And we treat our domestic species like shit, too. How many cows, chickens, turkeys, and pigs are raised in brutal conditions, living in constant pain until death releases them?

And, of course, the wild species - we are systematically eradicating them.

So maybe these poachers are part of the overall symptomology of the disease, which is capitalism.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,899 posts)
92. Probably, but the problem with being a cat who lives in the wild
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:06 PM
Jul 2018

is that you can't find an expensive carpet to puke on.

Solly Mack

(90,792 posts)
93. Apex predator takes out Apex predator.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:06 PM
Jul 2018

Humans tend to forget they're part of the food chain. They also tend to forget they're animals as well.

I find it a pity that lions can't use social media - they could have posed over the dead bodies of their prey in selfies - sending the photos out for all to see.

If anyone finds that distasteful - well, now you know how a lot of us feel when we see people posing over the dead bodies of the animals they kill.

Ain't pretty is it?






MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
96. Chump's boys need to take heed.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:11 PM
Jul 2018

An average lion is probably at least twice as smart as either one of those idiots.

Solly Mack

(90,792 posts)
103. They probably take people along whose only job is to keep them protected from all threats.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jul 2018

They're cowards - there is no way they stalk and hunt on their own. Either they attend canned hunts or they have several people along to shoot any threats to their person.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
108. I don't feel anything. The lions were following their
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:21 PM
Jul 2018

natural instincts. The humans were cowards hiding behind their machines not following their natural instinct to stand clear and show respect.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
129. Thoughts and prayers that two of them have the last name "Trump"
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 02:38 PM
Jul 2018

Yeah, I said it. Yeah, I meant it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,899 posts)
160. Eric and Don Jr.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 04:49 PM
Jul 2018

They're probably fatter and slower than the poachers and would make a nice, easily-caught postprandial treat.

Coventina

(27,215 posts)
164. I know, right? If that happened here with bears,
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 05:00 PM
Jul 2018

the bears would be hunted down and executed.

I hope South Africa's policy is more enlightened.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
207. Me too. My 1st thought was that they'll go after
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:41 PM
Jul 2018

these "man-killers."

Tell me where I can send a letter offering support for the lions.



blogslut

(38,019 posts)
173. Glad to hear the lions weren't immediately euthanized
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:15 PM
Jul 2018
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/05/world/south-africa-poachers-killed-trnd/index.html

...The poachers were apparently on foot when they encountered the lions, which is very dangerous.

Fox said reserve staff and guests never go near the lions unless they're in big trucks.

He said they're watching the lions closely and they have shown no signs of being aggressive around vehicles...

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
196. C'mon lions!!!
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:28 PM
Jul 2018

Up your game a bit, won't you? I know you can do it!!!

There might be a Trump in it for you.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
198. What a shame!
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:36 PM
Jul 2018

Poor, poor NRA members. It makes me so sad.

What a shame it would be if these lions got one, or both, of the Trump boys. That would call for a national day of mourning.

Response to tblue37 (Original post)

rpannier

(24,342 posts)
217. Raw Story headline is a bit misleading
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 12:01 AM
Jul 2018

From the story

Investigators found a human head, along with other body parts and limbs, along with three pairs of empty shoes, according to the Daily Mail.

A rifle and an ax were also found at the lion camp.

Police have not identified the slain humans, and they’re testing the rifle to determine whether they were poachers.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
218. My only concern is for the lions. I have their govt doesn't rule that they're pests
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 12:06 AM
Jul 2018

And have them destroyed.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
221. Wow, right on the same day Pruitt resigns!?! What a great day!
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 12:42 AM
Jul 2018

In today's elimination match, it's Mother Nature 4, Evil Assholes 0.

Other than child molesters, and genocidal maniacs, Poachers of endangered animals are the lowest of the f***ing LOW.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
230. Just as likely they were killed by humans and left for lions to eat.
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 08:16 AM
Jul 2018

Lions will not usually attack a group of adults.

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