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annabanana

(52,791 posts)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 08:35 AM Jan 2012

Heritage Foundation Mole infestation is hindering Justice Department investigations!!

http://www.alternet.org/story/153630/is_privacy_act_violated_as_voting_war%E2%80%99s_gop_hit_man_is_fed_leaks_by_justice_department_mole?page=entire


(Try to ignore the badly mangled headline of this article and get right to the meat of it)

A crusading GOP critic of the Obama Justice Department’s Voting Section, Hans von Spakovsky, has admitted to having Department sources that are leaking apparently confidential and highly personal information that he is using to viciously attack Voting Section staff and to smear the Department at large

Leaking such information—including details from ongoing Inspector General inquiries into a previous media leak and detailing the behavior of a DOJ employee related to that internal investigation—would not only violate DOJ confidentiality rules, but also could violate the federal Privacy Act, which governs how agencies are to control records.

Von Spakovsky’s boasts of leaks are peppered throughout his latest article attacking the Voting Section as it is reaching key thresholds in congressional redistricting cases and concluding if numerous new state laws—toughening voter ID, regulating voter registration drives and curtailing early voting—violate the Voting Rights Act.

The Justice Department did not respond to requests for comments on the latest Voting Section leaks. In previous instances of leaks surrounding high-profile DOJ activities, however, the department’s Inspector General office has launched investigations to identify the sources and determine what DOJ policies or laws might be violated.


Not clearing out the political operatives when he came into office is now officially biting the President right in the ass and making his Justice Department look like idiots.

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Heritage Foundation Mole infestation is hindering Justice Department investigations!! (Original Post) annabanana Jan 2012 OP
That's bi-partisanship for ya'. How's that been working out? Citizen Worker Jan 2012 #1
It's distressing. It's bad enough that he has to annabanana Jan 2012 #2
Yup, damn shame. joshcryer Jan 2012 #12
A reminder that von Spakovsky was a major Bush voter-suppression operative... JHB Jan 2012 #3
And he's probably implicating a bunch of former BushCo* cohorts. DCKit Jan 2012 #35
A mole? I'm surprised there's only one. n/t gkhouston Jan 2012 #4
Cheney planted them deep izquierdista Jan 2012 #5
Of course there's more than one. There are probably annabanana Jan 2012 #7
The level naivety of the Obama administration when he came into office is outstanding mazzarro Jan 2012 #6
You presume he didn't want these outcomes zipplewrath Jan 2012 #18
obama and his advisers know far more than we do.... madrchsod Jan 2012 #8
excuse me? annabanana Jan 2012 #10
I wonder, when would be the time? SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #15
there was a small window of about 3.5 minutes back last summer frylock Jan 2012 #27
i still have`t figured out the where the sarcastic emoticon is madrchsod Jan 2012 #17
just type colon sarcasm colon blaze Jan 2012 #19
Is colon sarcasm anything like rectal irony? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #24
don't bring the church into this ThomThom Jan 2012 #30
you forgot to insert the "sacrasm" coda, but still, your post had me in stitches! 2banon Jan 2012 #44
So PURGE THE BASTARDS! unionworks Jan 2012 #9
Too busy throwing liberals under the bus. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #42
Great post unionworks Jan 2012 #43
technically SixthSense Jan 2012 #11
They left too many of them in place that were political positions in nature. LiberalFighter Jan 2012 #14
Again: what you're describing is a FEDERAL FELONY. TheWraith Jan 2012 #25
yes thank you SixthSense Jan 2012 #32
Again LiberalFighter Jan 2012 #33
Many of those Bush* appointees were shifted into civil service positions... DCKit Jan 2012 #36
Thank you. This point seems to have annabanana Jan 2012 #41
Correct--they have a burrowing problem dragonlady Jan 2012 #20
I thought that US Attorneys serve at the pleasure. n/t hootinholler Jan 2012 #22
"technically" being the operative word. annabanana Jan 2012 #23
that's a different set of people SixthSense Jan 2012 #26
They were politically installed annabanana Jan 2012 #28
Just like the Clinton impeachment kept Bush from being impeached DefenseLawyer Jan 2012 #29
these are not civil service jobs ThomThom Jan 2012 #31
The tradition was that when a new president assumed office, he JDPriestly Jan 2012 #37
I was talking about civil service, but now that you mention it... SixthSense Jan 2012 #39
+1000 JDPriestly Jan 2012 #40
They never change. lpbk2713 Jan 2012 #13
Glad they found an Escape Goat on the issue FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #16
Well, it can't be Bradley Manning, he's under 24/7 observation n/t Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #21
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #34
Can't they smell those fuckers? lonestarnot Jan 2012 #38

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
2. It's distressing. It's bad enough that he has to
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 08:44 AM
Jan 2012

work against rank obstructionism in Congress. Having to work against it in his own administration is really shooting himself in the foot.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
35. And he's probably implicating a bunch of former BushCo* cohorts.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:05 AM
Jan 2012

We can only hope this blows up like all hell before November.

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
6. The level naivety of the Obama administration when he came into office is outstanding
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 09:45 AM
Jan 2012

Picking only DLC/Third Way adherents and some rethuglicans for appointment while leaving off liberals has hampered to an untold extent. Then on top of that to let blue-dog dems control his agenda in congress is the height of wishful thinking. Unfortunately he is reaping the harvest of all of this and we - the commoners - are the grass being trampled in the elephants fight.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
18. You presume he didn't want these outcomes
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jan 2012

One has to consider that he agreed with the Blue Dogs and desired many of the outcomes that have come to pass.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
8. obama and his advisers know far more than we do....
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jan 2012

and we should`t pass judgement without knowing the facts. this is not the time to question the president and his advisors.

what is alter net`s agenda?

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
42. Too busy throwing liberals under the bus.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 11:16 PM
Jan 2012

It reminds me of the saga of Bush Senior arming and training Bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.

The operating theory was that godless atheists were obviously much more dangerous and untrustworthy than the pious and devout Taliban. Bush genuinely believed that Taliban fighters would never pose any threat to America. He believed that, ultimately guided by devotion to Allah, they would be easy to predict and control, regardless of socio-political and cultural differences.

Similarly, I think Obama believes that all technocrats have 'pure' intentions. Driven by desire for a high salary and recognition, they gladly cast aside partisanship to do their superiors' bidding. Republicans really love money, so double plus good for Republican technocrats. Only progressive ideologues pose a real danger, with their unpredictable demands and uncontrollable do-gooderism.

 

SixthSense

(829 posts)
11. technically
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 10:41 AM
Jan 2012

the only political positions at DoJ are the top level of leadership - AG, Asst. AG

I'm fairly confident that it is illegal to fire nonpolitical civil service employees for political reasons, so cleaning house on day 1 was never an option.

LiberalFighter

(50,980 posts)
14. They left too many of them in place that were political positions in nature.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 10:47 AM
Jan 2012

Most of them should had been purged out and kept only those that demonstrated they would do the job.

As for those that can't be fired for political reasons. They need to find those that violated the confidentiality requirements and fire the hell out of them. After prosecuting them.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
25. Again: what you're describing is a FEDERAL FELONY.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:01 PM
Jan 2012

It is illegal to fire civil service employees for political reasons. Extremely so.

 

SixthSense

(829 posts)
32. yes thank you
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:53 PM
Jan 2012

Those without exposure to the inner workings of the federal civil service may not be aware just how serious a move that would be... it would literally rock the federal government top to bottom, as a million federal employees suddenly found themselves having to protect themselves from the external political impact.

It would probably breach union contracts as well, if the fired employees were covered by one.

LiberalFighter

(50,980 posts)
33. Again
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 07:23 PM
Jan 2012

Those in appointed positions that are not protected from civil service and have to go through the process should not have been kept. The President can when there is a new term keep those he wants or replace them at will.

Those that don't fall into that category still have to worry about violating laws such as the confidentiality that was mentioned. Maybe violating confidentiality would also make one ineligible to hold that position in addition to being subject to criminal action.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
36. Many of those Bush* appointees were shifted into civil service positions...
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:09 AM
Jan 2012

at the end of BushCo*.

Many of those people were/are also unqualified for those same positions and took the place of people who were qualified.

Yeah, it would have been a mess, but it would have stripped one more layer off the onion of corruption that was the Bush* maladministraton.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
20. Correct--they have a burrowing problem
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:05 PM
Jan 2012

That's what the Republicans called their ploy to transfer a lot of their political appointees to civil service positions before Bush left office.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
23. "technically" being the operative word.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:35 PM
Jan 2012

Don't you remember the push to hire "loyal Bushies"? Do you think that only applied to U S Attorneys?

 

SixthSense

(829 posts)
26. that's a different set of people
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jan 2012

AGs and US Attorneys are appointed positions, so they are inherently political in nature.

I got the sense from the article that the leaks are coming from career employees, which is a different set of people. The US Attorneys can be fired at the pleasure of the President, Clinton in fact replaced almost every last one when he got into office. But the career civil service people are under a different set of rules and it would be a major scandal if the careerist ranks were politically culled.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
29. Just like the Clinton impeachment kept Bush from being impeached
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:32 PM
Jan 2012

Rove's political firings at Justice made it much harder politically for this administration to do what they needed to do. Case in point were the Republican U.S. Attorneys that refused to resign when the President took office, even though that was something that had always been done as a matter of course.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
31. these are not civil service jobs
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:00 PM
Jan 2012

most new administrations clear out all these positions unless they are the same party

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
37. The tradition was that when a new president assumed office, he
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 05:49 AM
Jan 2012

fired the existing federal attorneys in the various states and appointed his own.

The politicization of the Justice Department was alleged to be extreme under Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy

Around the beginning of his second term, Bush tried to fire some of the attorneys he had appointed at the beginning of his first term. It was alleged that the attorneys were fired for acting in a politically independent manner and not supporting certain interests of the Republican Party as they carried out their duties. Specifically, some attorneys allegedly did not indict Democrats when the administration wanted them to do so.

I suspect that Obama sincerely wanted to avoid the controversy of what would appear to be a very political cleansing of the Justice Department.

Obama may have overestimated the professionalism of some of the Republican attorneys that were appointed by Bush.

Political adversaries in leadership positions in the Justice Department have a huge potential for damaging a sitting president's administration. Doing the traditional thing and appointing new attorneys to the lead posts in various states is a no-brainer in my view.

What shocks me the most is the fact that Obama retained the Bush Alabama team in spite of allegations that they prosecuted Don Siegelman for political purposes. In my opinion, even if false, those allegations should have put Obama on notice that he should replace them with politically neutral attorneys.

Was Obama naive, duplicitous or careless? I am inclined to think he was naive. But I am hopefully wrong. We will probably find out during this election season.

Know thyself is sometimes not enough. Sometimes thou must know thine adversary.

I wonder whether Obama is learning to know his adversaries. Time will tell. Maybe he is just too much of an optimist when it comes to Republicans.

Here is a short article about the appointment practices to the normally four-year U.S. attorney position.

How U.S. Attorneys are Appointed

U.S. Attorneys are appointed by the President of the United States for four year terms. Their appointments must be confirmed by a majority vote of the U.S. Senate.

By law, U.S. Attorneys are subject to removal from their posts by the President of the United States.

While most U.S. Attorneys serve full four-year terms, usually corresponding to the terms of the president who appointed them, mid-term vacancies do occur.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscourtsystem/a/usattorneys.htm

 

SixthSense

(829 posts)
39. I was talking about civil service, but now that you mention it...
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 06:11 AM
Jan 2012

From the Wiki article you linked:

A Department of Justice list noted that "in 1981, Reagan's first year in office, 71 of 93 districts had new U.S. attorneys. In 1993, Clinton's first year, 80 of 93 districts had new U.S. attorneys." Similarly, a Senate study noted that "Reagan replaced 89 of the 93 U.S. attorneys in his first two years in office. President Clinton had 89 new U.S. attorneys in his first two years, and President Bush had 88 new U.S. attorneys in his first two years."[179]



In contrast...

http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/10/02/one-third-of-us-attorneys-are-bush-holdovers/

More than eight months after President Barack Obama took office, one third of the country’s U.S. Attorney offices are still run by prosecutors appointed during the administration of Republican George W. Bush, according to a review of data by Main Justice.

At this point in October 2001 — after Bush succeeded Democrat Bill Clinton – less than 9 percent of the slots were occupied by Clinton holdovers.



Three of the previous four Presidents replaced almost all US attorneys, without scandal; the Bush scandal only occurred when he tried to replace his own appointments before their terms were up.

Yet somehow Obama is uniquely politically constrained not to do the same exact thing both his immediate predecessors did. Doesn't it seem like we hear that excuse a lot, Obama can't do this because he's got to play the game, we got super duper hyper chess going on here just be patient, and so on and so forth.

Remember, when Obama came into office, he did so with more political capital than any politician since at least Reagan, and possibly as far back as JFK. And he came into office with a Congress solidly controlled in both chambers by his own party.

And then he wasted all that. He blew his political capital on a horrendous health care bill that failed to solve any of the problems it was allegedly intended to solve. Had he stepped up to the issue of the day (severe economic crisis), rather than the issue of his preference, who knows how much pain would not have been suffered by the regular folks in this country? Not once was he willing to put himself on the line for us and get us a real solution to immediate and pressing issues. He always let Nancy Pelosi lead, or Harry Reid lead. He never took responsibility for anything. He took Harry Truman's slogan "The Buck Stops Here" and inserted the words "Anywhere But".

I just can't believe the excuses anymore. At the end of this month he will have been President for three full years. At some point one must acknowledge that someone who gives a half-effort at everything over and over for years never really wanted to succeed in the first place.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
40. +1000
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jan 2012

Somehow, Obama seems to lack confidence and therefore can't just plow ahead and do the right thing.

Obama needs to buy himself 40 acres and a tractor and learn to work with and against the forces of nature. Truman was known for his stubbornness. He learned it the hard way -- by watching his father fail in business and surviving some failures himself. Somehow, that made Truman as tough as nails. Obama lacks the toughness. It's a shame.

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