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American nuns are gathering in St. Louis, Mo., this week for their organization's yearly national assembly, where they are expected to discuss the future of their relationship with the Vatican following scathing criticism of the nuns' alleged lack of fidelity to Catholic teachings.
This spring, after a three-year investigation, the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog issued a report questioning the organization's loyalty to some Church teachings, including the nuns' lack of outspokenness on issues such as gay marriage, abortion and contraception. Another concern voiced by the Vatican relates to conferences organized by the nuns featuring "a prevalence of certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith."
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This week, the nuns will discuss a range of options for the future, from accepting the Vatican's mandate to starting a new organization independent of the church's control.
In an interview with NPR in July, Franciscan Sister Pat Farrell, president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, an umbrella organization representing about 80 percent of the nuns in the United States, said the organization is "not talking about the risk of excommunication or leaving the church."
"The one and only underlying option for us is to respond with integrity with however we proceed," Farrell added. "Some of the options would be to just comply with the mandate that's been given to us. Or to say we can't comply with this and see what the Vatican does with that. Or to remove ourselves and form a separate organization."
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/07/13162177-after-blistering-vatican-report-nuns-gather-to-weigh-response?lite
I'm with the nuns! They have stood up for the poor and others when many have shamefully run for cover.
I believe the Vatican will do everything they can to make them conform. This could lead to an epic showdown.
High Noon In The Cathedral or Sacred Fight Club
no_hypocrisy
(46,215 posts)Don't doubt the power of nuns! The Vatican should think twice about pulling rank on them.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Nuns and librarians. They are FIERCE!
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)Oh wait, never mind.
Seriously the Vatican cover up ran all the way to the top and cost the church millions of dollars and followers and I don't recall a single nun being mentioned in all of it.
lindysalsagal
(20,741 posts)Wasn't that in the vows?
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)They aren't trying hard enough to control women's sex lives.
"the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog issued a report questioning the organization's loyalty to some Church teachings, including the nuns' lack of outspokenness on issues such as gay marriage, abortion and contraception."
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Unitarian Universalist
United Church of Christ
Episcopal Church
ELCA
The world is your oyster...
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)...the only one that makes sense is to just leave and form their own organization.
The Vatican and the assholes who run it really aren't worth all this time, effort, and heartburn. The nuns have work to do. Let them get back at it without Roman interference.
hue
(4,949 posts)They taught in the parochial schools, were nurses in the Catholic hospitals, were domestic servants for the rectories and churches--cleaning, scrubbing floors & toilets, and the list goes on & on...
When they were too old and spent they found there was no retirement plans, no insurance, no place for them. Some were just disposed of--yet they tried to take care of each other with hardly any means.
Meanwhile the Cardinals and Pope in Rome had and still have their clothes cleaned & ironed brought to them by valets and their dressers on silver trays and then assisted with dressing to get ready for the breakfast prepared for them by excellent cooks.
The Catholic organization systematically enables and defends the covert pedophilic lifestyle of the misogynous hierarchy.
It has no relationship with the original work of Jesus, His Friends and Followers except to blasphemy/cower behind and use His name for their own gain. What we see in the press is merely the tip of the ice berg as to what corruption actually exists, even to this day, in the Catholic institution. Yet they take collections of their struggling parishioners to support their evil ways.
For too long Nuns have "shut up and put up". Now the tide has changed.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)I always asked my parents why the nuns in our parish lived crammed into a cinderblock convent, cooking and cleaning for themselves when the priests lived in the nice house with a cook and and housekeeper.
They said "because the priests work so hard". I suggested that the nuns looked like they worked pretty hard too, teaching school and working in hospitals. "But the priests have to say all those Masses, and visit people in the hospital, and visit people in their homes". Still didn't add up, which is probably why I'm not a Catholic anymore.
As for the pedophilia, I think any time you have a bunch of men running things with little or no oversight and little or no input from women, you end up with a university football scandal, or a priest scandal, or crashing the entire economy/toying with worldwide interest rates.
angel823
(409 posts)is spot on.
And no, I don't hate men.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,741 posts)Just kidding, but I love how you think. It's all really that simple.
The liars of the world know how to make the simple beyond our understanding, and the complex black and white.
And as long as people refuse to do their own thinking, and look for the actions to match the words, the liars will continue to take advantage of us, under whatever disguise we all accept: religious, political, educational, environmental, you name it.
chemenger
(1,593 posts)rather than continue under the control of sexually repressed men wearing robes and silly hats.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)For the Vatican, that is.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I hope the headcheese nuns get to tell the pope to fuck off.
but maybe that's doesn't fit in with the integrity they want to keep
starroute
(12,977 posts)And invading cathedrals to denounce the tyranny of the papacy.
No ... I know it would never really happen. But boy, it's fun to imagine.
DerekG
(2,935 posts)And take the priests-of-conscience with you.