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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 06:10 AM Aug 2012

After blistering Vatican report, nuns gather to weigh response

American nuns are gathering in St. Louis, Mo., this week for their organization's yearly national assembly, where they are expected to discuss the future of their relationship with the Vatican following scathing criticism of the nuns' alleged lack of fidelity to Catholic teachings.

This spring, after a three-year investigation, the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog issued a report questioning the organization's loyalty to some Church teachings, including the nuns' lack of outspokenness on issues such as gay marriage, abortion and contraception. Another concern voiced by the Vatican relates to conferences organized by the nuns featuring "a prevalence of certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith."
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This week, the nuns will discuss a range of options for the future, from accepting the Vatican's mandate to starting a new organization independent of the church's control.

In an interview with NPR in July, Franciscan Sister Pat Farrell, president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, an umbrella organization representing about 80 percent of the nuns in the United States, said the organization is "not talking about the risk of excommunication or leaving the church."

"The one and only underlying option for us is to respond with integrity with however we proceed," Farrell added. "Some of the options would be to just comply with the mandate that's been given to us. Or to say we can't comply with this and see what the Vatican does with that. Or to remove ourselves and form a separate organization."
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/07/13162177-after-blistering-vatican-report-nuns-gather-to-weigh-response?lite

I'm with the nuns! They have stood up for the poor and others when many have shamefully run for cover.
I believe the Vatican will do everything they can to make them conform. This could lead to an epic showdown.
High Noon In The Cathedral or Sacred Fight Club

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After blistering Vatican report, nuns gather to weigh response (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Aug 2012 OP
I spent part of last week-end at a convent. no_hypocrisy Aug 2012 #1
Two groups I wouldn't cross: Are_grits_groceries Aug 2012 #2
I'm surprised they didn't kick those nuns out when they molested all those little boys. Ganja Ninja Aug 2012 #3
Nuns just wanna be in charge of our sex lives. lindysalsagal Aug 2012 #14
Actually if you read the artical that's why the Pope is pissed off. Ganja Ninja Aug 2012 #17
Ladies, you can have your choice Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #4
Of the three options Sr. Farrell noted... AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #5
Nuns have been submissive "worker bees" for the Vatican for decades. hue Aug 2012 #6
When I was a very little girl Patiod Aug 2012 #7
your last sentence angel823 Aug 2012 #9
I don't hate men either - I just don't like them running around unsupervised Patiod Aug 2012 #10
Will you marry me? lindysalsagal Aug 2012 #15
IMO, the Catholic Church would fare much better under the the direction of the nuns chemenger Aug 2012 #8
This will not end well. hifiguy Aug 2012 #11
wishing them all the best Whisp Aug 2012 #12
I'm having crazy visions of the nuns turning into Pussy Riot starroute Aug 2012 #13
Leave that mafia, ladies DerekG Aug 2012 #16

no_hypocrisy

(46,215 posts)
1. I spent part of last week-end at a convent.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 07:29 AM
Aug 2012

Don't doubt the power of nuns! The Vatican should think twice about pulling rank on them.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
3. I'm surprised they didn't kick those nuns out when they molested all those little boys.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 08:07 AM
Aug 2012

Oh wait, never mind.

Seriously the Vatican cover up ran all the way to the top and cost the church millions of dollars and followers and I don't recall a single nun being mentioned in all of it.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
17. Actually if you read the artical that's why the Pope is pissed off.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:25 AM
Aug 2012

They aren't trying hard enough to control women's sex lives.

"the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog issued a report questioning the organization's loyalty to some Church teachings, including the nuns' lack of outspokenness on issues such as gay marriage, abortion and contraception."

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
4. Ladies, you can have your choice
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 08:16 AM
Aug 2012

Unitarian Universalist
United Church of Christ
Episcopal Church
ELCA

The world is your oyster...

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
5. Of the three options Sr. Farrell noted...
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 08:41 AM
Aug 2012

...the only one that makes sense is to just leave and form their own organization.

The Vatican and the assholes who run it really aren't worth all this time, effort, and heartburn. The nuns have work to do. Let them get back at it without Roman interference.

hue

(4,949 posts)
6. Nuns have been submissive "worker bees" for the Vatican for decades.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:29 AM
Aug 2012

They taught in the parochial schools, were nurses in the Catholic hospitals, were domestic servants for the rectories and churches--cleaning, scrubbing floors & toilets, and the list goes on & on...
When they were too old and spent they found there was no retirement plans, no insurance, no place for them. Some were just disposed of--yet they tried to take care of each other with hardly any means.
Meanwhile the Cardinals and Pope in Rome had and still have their clothes cleaned & ironed brought to them by valets and their dressers on silver trays and then assisted with dressing to get ready for the breakfast prepared for them by excellent cooks.
The Catholic organization systematically enables and defends the covert pedophilic lifestyle of the misogynous hierarchy.
It has no relationship with the original work of Jesus, His Friends and Followers except to blasphemy/cower behind and use His name for their own gain. What we see in the press is merely the tip of the ice berg as to what corruption actually exists, even to this day, in the Catholic institution. Yet they take collections of their struggling parishioners to support their evil ways.
For too long Nuns have "shut up and put up". Now the tide has changed.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
7. When I was a very little girl
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:23 AM
Aug 2012

I always asked my parents why the nuns in our parish lived crammed into a cinderblock convent, cooking and cleaning for themselves when the priests lived in the nice house with a cook and and housekeeper.

They said "because the priests work so hard". I suggested that the nuns looked like they worked pretty hard too, teaching school and working in hospitals. "But the priests have to say all those Masses, and visit people in the hospital, and visit people in their homes". Still didn't add up, which is probably why I'm not a Catholic anymore.

As for the pedophilia, I think any time you have a bunch of men running things with little or no oversight and little or no input from women, you end up with a university football scandal, or a priest scandal, or crashing the entire economy/toying with worldwide interest rates.

lindysalsagal

(20,741 posts)
15. Will you marry me?
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 06:07 PM
Aug 2012

Just kidding, but I love how you think. It's all really that simple.

The liars of the world know how to make the simple beyond our understanding, and the complex black and white.

And as long as people refuse to do their own thinking, and look for the actions to match the words, the liars will continue to take advantage of us, under whatever disguise we all accept: religious, political, educational, environmental, you name it.

chemenger

(1,593 posts)
8. IMO, the Catholic Church would fare much better under the the direction of the nuns
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:28 AM
Aug 2012

rather than continue under the control of sexually repressed men wearing robes and silly hats.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
12. wishing them all the best
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:23 PM
Aug 2012

I hope the headcheese nuns get to tell the pope to fuck off.

but maybe that's doesn't fit in with the integrity they want to keep

starroute

(12,977 posts)
13. I'm having crazy visions of the nuns turning into Pussy Riot
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:46 PM
Aug 2012

And invading cathedrals to denounce the tyranny of the papacy.

No ... I know it would never really happen. But boy, it's fun to imagine.

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