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Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:54 AM Jul 2018

People: Don't fall for the Giuliani ratf*ckery regarding Cohen tonight

Lanny Davis says that Cohen did not release that information regarding the Trump Tower meeting and Don Jr.

Giuliani appears to have set in play a dark op tonight, in order to damage Cohen's value to Mueller. Giuliani set it up anonymously, then went on camera to rake and razz and lie about Cohen betraying Trump with lies and so on.

If Cohen's potential testimony is devalued by leaks attributed to him, a deal with Mueller becomes less likely. Which means that Cohen would be gored.

Strategic gutting by Giuliani. See it for what it is. Trying to ruin Cohen.

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People: Don't fall for the Giuliani ratf*ckery regarding Cohen tonight (Original Post) Grasswire2 Jul 2018 OP
I thought NBC confirmed Cohen told them... Glamrock Jul 2018 #1
I thought CNN did the initial report. UCmeNdc Jul 2018 #4
NBC has independently confirmed that Cohen asserts these claims. manor321 Jul 2018 #7
see Lanny Davis statement posted below nt Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #15
You're missing the story manor321 Jul 2018 #2
I believe you are thinking in too shallow a manner. Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #5
I do follow Abramson, closely manor321 Jul 2018 #6
your opinion Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #10
....If you follow Abramson closely.. Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #16
This theory is off. Dream Girl Jul 2018 #3
Prosecutors tonight on MSNBC were warning Cohen... Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #12
The people on TV don't know what Cohen has or knows. herding cats Jul 2018 #20
Lanny's message Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #8
That might have been the plan, but it's a very stupid plan. unblock Jul 2018 #9
certainly could be Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #11
The sky is falling! H2O Man Jul 2018 #13
Prosecutors will need Cohen to testify so this doesn't devalue him. onecaliberal Jul 2018 #14
yes Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #17
Giuliani has been trying to slowly release the truth after many Trump lies. applegrove Jul 2018 #18
That's a bit of it, some commenters said on MSNBC.. Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #19
Yes i wondered about it too after I heard MSNBC said that it was Trump's team that applegrove Jul 2018 #21
A Desperate Ploy for Desperate Times dlk Jul 2018 #22
Trump and Rudy seem to think this is a matter of public opinion... it's not. RockRaven Jul 2018 #23
LOL. Iggo Jul 2018 #24
 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
2. You're missing the story
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:59 AM
Jul 2018

Every time a legitimate bombshell breaks, we get idiotic posts like this.

As clearly explained on Maddow tonight, Cohen's willingness to testify is critical to prosecutors, so he still has something to offer. Prosecutors can't use an anonymously sourced news report.

And this information is devastating to Trump.

Who leaked it and why is a minor sideshow.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
5. I believe you are thinking in too shallow a manner.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:02 AM
Jul 2018

I suggest that you follow Seth Abramson on Twitter.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
10. your opinion
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:08 AM
Jul 2018

Abramson and all the others who are on NBC this evening discussing the ratf*ckery by Giuliani seem to have more experience than you do (or I), and I'll give them the benefit of their experience.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
16. ....If you follow Abramson closely..
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:23 AM
Jul 2018

...you would know of his response to the events of tonight. Or maybe you think he's dumb.

And, in case you think you are writing to a noob here, I am an old timer with 14 years writing content and 50,000 + posts, recently returned.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
3. This theory is off.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:00 AM
Jul 2018

Cohen would still be very valuable and his evidentiary testimony is still needed. It makes little difference that this has leaked. The reporters pushing this are thinking of this as scoops that lose their value once info has gone public.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
12. Prosecutors tonight on MSNBC were warning Cohen...
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:11 AM
Jul 2018

...that he's about to lose his chance to make a deal with Mueller by telling this info tonight. (which Davis says he didn't do)

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
20. The people on TV don't know what Cohen has or knows.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:51 AM
Jul 2018

Neither do the people on Twitter or even Giuliani. Only Cohen and his attorneys know that information.

Personally, I'm not letting others set the narrative for me when there's too many variables to make any conclusion.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
9. That might have been the plan, but it's a very stupid plan.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:06 AM
Jul 2018

So it certainly could be something Donnie and ghouliani thought up.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
11. certainly could be
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:09 AM
Jul 2018

It allowed Giuliani to both set up the scene, and then beat Cohen up in one evening.

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
14. Prosecutors will need Cohen to testify so this doesn't devalue him.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:13 AM
Jul 2018

There will be corroborating evidence. Both dump Jr and his dad lied and conspired.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
17. yes
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:25 AM
Jul 2018

But Giuliani took the opportunity to roll the dice and beat up Cohen in the court of public opinion. Cohen can and will testify, but his chance of cutting a deal is losing ground (according to prosecutors on NBC).

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
18. Giuliani has been trying to slowly release the truth after many Trump lies.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:28 AM
Jul 2018

Don't know if you are right and tonight is another case of it, plus tanking Cohen as an asset to Mueller. Could be. Might not. We don't have enough information. I guess the purpose of Giulliani cleaning up Trump lies are so that when Mueller does file publicly much of it will seem like old news.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
19. That's a bit of it, some commenters said on MSNBC..
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:45 AM
Jul 2018

...trying to get ahead of the story. Yes. What I posted is not my opinion, but the statement of Lanny Davis and the analysis of Seth Abramson, who has 517,000 Twitter followers.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
21. Yes i wondered about it too after I heard MSNBC said that it was Trump's team that
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:53 AM
Jul 2018

released the story tonight. But I do not get MSNBC so I could not speculate.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
23. Trump and Rudy seem to think this is a matter of public opinion... it's not.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:37 AM
Jul 2018

No amount of smearing Cohen on cable TV is going to diminish his usefulness as a cooperating witness *enough* for a) US Att for SDNY to not want his cooperation, b) Mueller to not want his cooperation, c) AG for State of NY to not want his cooperation. But it does irrevocably burn the Trump-Cohen bridge via betrayal of silences, and publicly implicate Cohen in federal and state (which Trump/Pence/other-POTUS can't pardon) crimes.

Rudy f-ed up bigly. He is driving Cohen towards making a deal, not driving prosecutors away from making one.

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