General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPeople: Don't fall for the Giuliani ratf*ckery regarding Cohen tonight
Lanny Davis says that Cohen did not release that information regarding the Trump Tower meeting and Don Jr.
Giuliani appears to have set in play a dark op tonight, in order to damage Cohen's value to Mueller. Giuliani set it up anonymously, then went on camera to rake and razz and lie about Cohen betraying Trump with lies and so on.
If Cohen's potential testimony is devalued by leaks attributed to him, a deal with Mueller becomes less likely. Which means that Cohen would be gored.
Strategic gutting by Giuliani. See it for what it is. Trying to ruin Cohen.
Glamrock
(11,802 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Did they check their sources?
manor321
(3,344 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)manor321
(3,344 posts)Every time a legitimate bombshell breaks, we get idiotic posts like this.
As clearly explained on Maddow tonight, Cohen's willingness to testify is critical to prosecutors, so he still has something to offer. Prosecutors can't use an anonymously sourced news report.
And this information is devastating to Trump.
Who leaked it and why is a minor sideshow.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)I suggest that you follow Seth Abramson on Twitter.
manor321
(3,344 posts)This thread is dumb. Sorry.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Abramson and all the others who are on NBC this evening discussing the ratf*ckery by Giuliani seem to have more experience than you do (or I), and I'll give them the benefit of their experience.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)...you would know of his response to the events of tonight. Or maybe you think he's dumb.
And, in case you think you are writing to a noob here, I am an old timer with 14 years writing content and 50,000 + posts, recently returned.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Cohen would still be very valuable and his evidentiary testimony is still needed. It makes little difference that this has leaked. The reporters pushing this are thinking of this as scoops that lose their value once info has gone public.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)...that he's about to lose his chance to make a deal with Mueller by telling this info tonight. (which Davis says he didn't do)
herding cats
(19,565 posts)Neither do the people on Twitter or even Giuliani. Only Cohen and his attorneys know that information.
Personally, I'm not letting others set the narrative for me when there's too many variables to make any conclusion.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)unblock
(52,253 posts)So it certainly could be something Donnie and ghouliani thought up.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)It allowed Giuliani to both set up the scene, and then beat Cohen up in one evening.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)There will be corroborating evidence. Both dump Jr and his dad lied and conspired.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)But Giuliani took the opportunity to roll the dice and beat up Cohen in the court of public opinion. Cohen can and will testify, but his chance of cutting a deal is losing ground (according to prosecutors on NBC).
applegrove
(118,696 posts)Don't know if you are right and tonight is another case of it, plus tanking Cohen as an asset to Mueller. Could be. Might not. We don't have enough information. I guess the purpose of Giulliani cleaning up Trump lies are so that when Mueller does file publicly much of it will seem like old news.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)...trying to get ahead of the story. Yes. What I posted is not my opinion, but the statement of Lanny Davis and the analysis of Seth Abramson, who has 517,000 Twitter followers.
applegrove
(118,696 posts)released the story tonight. But I do not get MSNBC so I could not speculate.
dlk
(11,569 posts)RockRaven
(14,974 posts)No amount of smearing Cohen on cable TV is going to diminish his usefulness as a cooperating witness *enough* for a) US Att for SDNY to not want his cooperation, b) Mueller to not want his cooperation, c) AG for State of NY to not want his cooperation. But it does irrevocably burn the Trump-Cohen bridge via betrayal of silences, and publicly implicate Cohen in federal and state (which Trump/Pence/other-POTUS can't pardon) crimes.
Rudy f-ed up bigly. He is driving Cohen towards making a deal, not driving prosecutors away from making one.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)You know where you are, right?