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Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:20 AM Aug 2012

Oh, Bobby, I'm sorry you got a head like a potato...Jindal fails to make Romney's "final three"



Thread title hat-tip to FZ..."The present-day composer refuses to die."

*** The final three: We can say with a high degree of confidence that Mitt Romney’s vice-presidential pick has largely come down to three men: former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, U.S. Sen. Rob Portman, and House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan. And it’s more than possible that Romney has already made up his mind. All three VP finalists bring something different to the table. Pawlenty is the loyal outsider, who would enable a Romney-Pawlenty ticket to run as former governors vowing to take on Washington; Pawlenty also potentially would add some blue-collar appeal to the ticket. Portman would be the insider, someone who knows the ways of Washington and who could help govern starting on Day 1. And Ryan would be the crusader, who wants to substantially transform America’s entitlement programs and who would excite a good portion of the GOP’s conservative base. Indeed, Ryan has emerged a VERY REAL possibility, but he also brings the most risk. If Romney selects him, it’s more than conceivable that the dominant campaign discussion in the fall won’t be the economy -- but rather the deficit and Medicare. Of course, there was already a good chance the Ryan plan will get plenty attention regardless of Romney’s VP pick.

*** Bold vs. cautious GOPers divided on Ryan: Politico writes that Republican observers are split on Ryan. “Ryan advocates, including some of his colleagues and high-profile conservative elites, believe Romney will lose if he doesn’t make a more assertive case for his candidacy and that selecting the 42-year-old wonky golden boy would sound a clarion call to the electorate about the sort of reforms the presumptive GOP nominee wants to bring to Washington. Call them the ‘go bold’ crowd.” On the other hand: “Their opposites, pragmatic-minded Republican strategists and elected officials, believe that to select Ryan is to hand President Barack Obama’s campaign a twin-edged blade, letting the incumbent slash Romney on the Wisconsin congressman’s Medicare proposal and carve in the challenger a scarlet ‘C’ for the unpopular Congress. This is the cautious corner.”

*** Polling the over-50 crowd: Just how important could the debate over the Ryan budget, especially if he’s Romney’s VP pick? Just consider this AARP poll of voters over 50, in which Obama and Romney are tied 45-45% with the group (and with Obama’s approval at just 42%). Per this poll, 91% believe “Social Security is critical to the economic security of seniors” and “the next president and Congress need to strengthen Social Security so that it is able to provide retirement security for future generations.” (That includes about three-quarters of Romney voters.) And on Medicare: 95% say “Medicare is critical to maintaining the health of seniors” and 88% say the next president and Congress “need to strengthen Medicare so that it is able to provide health coverage in retirement for future generations.” The poll was conducted by Hart Research and GS Strategy Group. (Disclosure: Hart Research is the Democratic half of the NBC-WSJ poll.)

*** Romney leads in CO, but Obama’s ahead in VA and WI: Last week, President Obama campaigned in Florida and Ohio -- just as new Quinnipiac/New York Times/CBS polls showed him leading (and above 50%) in those two states. But today, as he begins a two-day swing through Colorado, the same polling outfit shows him trailing Romney among likely by five points in the state, 50%-45%. That said, new Quinnipiac/New York Times/CBS surveys also show Obama leading in Virginia (49%-45%) and Wisconsin (51%-45%). So out of the six battleground states that Quinnipiac has polled in the past two weeks -- Colorado, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin -- Obama leads in five of them. And speaking of polls, a new national Washington Post/ABC survey finds that Romney’s fav/unfav is still underwater at 40%-49% versus Obama’s 53%-43%. In fact, ABC adds that Romney “is laboring under the lowest personal popularity ratings for a presumptive presidential nominee in midsummer election-year polls back to 1984.”

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/08/13180408-first-thoughts-the-final-three?lite
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Oh, Bobby, I'm sorry you got a head like a potato...Jindal fails to make Romney's "final three" (Original Post) Amerigo Vespucci Aug 2012 OP
WOW! T-Paw, Mr. Bland Budget Buster or Eddie Munster catbyte Aug 2012 #1
Romney was never going to choose a brown man. Iggo Aug 2012 #2
Oh, I know that...and you know that...but I'm guessing Bobby didn't know that. Amerigo Vespucci Aug 2012 #4
I almost feel bad for him. Iggo Aug 2012 #6
The republicans have given up on everything but old, white men TlalocW Aug 2012 #8
Not sure I agree. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #5
I thought it would be Rubio. ananda Aug 2012 #7
The problem with that is, us "hispanics" know a token when we see one...lol. Iggo Aug 2012 #13
Pardon me while I hit the snooze bar. bunnies Aug 2012 #3
Damn! revolution breeze Aug 2012 #9
Dull, Duller, Dullest. hifiguy Aug 2012 #10
Rats charlie Aug 2012 #11
Hmm, I read a poll someplace this month which speculated Ryan would bring in a youth vote (18-45) Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #12

catbyte

(34,459 posts)
1. WOW! T-Paw, Mr. Bland Budget Buster or Eddie Munster
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:25 AM
Aug 2012

I'm sold!





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Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
4. Oh, I know that...and you know that...but I'm guessing Bobby didn't know that.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:33 AM
Aug 2012

I don't know if Jindal will ever be "ready for prime time." The GOP will use his ass whenever it's convenient as a "surrogate," but VP? A man can dream, I guess. Keep dreaming, Bobby.

Iggo

(47,571 posts)
6. I almost feel bad for him.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:00 AM
Aug 2012

And I guess, in a generic way, I do feel bad for him. He's a guy who's doing everything he can to join the club, and they're never really going to make him a full member. But specifically, it's a fucked up club and he's a fucked up motherfucker for wanting to join it. So fuck him.

TlalocW

(15,392 posts)
8. The republicans have given up on everything but old, white men
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:17 AM
Aug 2012

Jindal's window of opportunity is closing rapidly. I think he knew 2012 wasn't going to be his year, and I think 2016 won't be either for the same reason - republicans don't want to replace one person of color with another even if he's got an R after his name. He might get offered the VP slot in 2016. If the GOP wins that year (God forbid) then he can't really run for president until 2024 whether the GOP wins hypothetical reelection in 2020 or not. If the GOP loses in 2016, then he's got 2020 as a time to possibly run. So I think 8 to 12 years before he's even viable, and he's still going to have to deal with the GOP being haunted by a non-white person being in the White House in the recent past, and how long can you remain a wunderkind if you don't keep advancing in position?

TlalocW

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
5. Not sure I agree.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:58 AM
Aug 2012

That would presume that Romney has principles (even twisted, racist ones). I haven't seen any evidence that he wouldn't do or say whatever his polling and focus groups indicate he should say. The guy's a human wind sock.

Iggo

(47,571 posts)
13. The problem with that is, us "hispanics" know a token when we see one...lol.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:49 AM
Aug 2012

Kinda like how women didn't flock to McCain just because he chose Palin.

My guess is that choosing Rubio only gets him a specific subgroup of latinos: the Commie-hating variety of Florida Cubanos. Maybe that's a big chunk of Florida Cubanos, but that doesn't really translate nationally. And the republicans kinda already have those guys anyway. Why waste a VP pick on that?

revolution breeze

(879 posts)
9. Damn!
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:24 AM
Aug 2012

I was hoping he would resign as governor to run for VP. Looks like we are stuck with him until the next election!

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
12. Hmm, I read a poll someplace this month which speculated Ryan would bring in a youth vote (18-45)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:43 AM
Aug 2012

Maybe it was in Wisconsin?

I thought after his budget proposal his favorability with Independents was tanking though.

As to Jindal being out, I'm not surprised. He didn't poll well in swing states.

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