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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 01:40 PM Jul 2018

Girl escapes detention center, hides in auto shop sobbing. Owner, a Trump supporter, turns her in...

HOMESTEAD, Fla. (AP) — A 15-year-old girl has run away from a Florida detention facility being used to house migrant children.

Homestead Police said they received a call from staff at the Homestead Air Reserve base on Friday saying the teen had run away while being transported to an eye exam. An anonymous tipster told authorities the girl was hiding behind a large toolbox inside an auto care shop.


https://pilotonline.com/news/nation-world/national/article_62fe85ca-7ea5-53a2-8427-b3aeba56961e.html


Gonzalez said he’s glad he told the officers where to find the girl.

“They were going around and around, they knew she was close by,” he said. “It’s safer for her in detention than out on the streets with no family. It was a hard decision.”

Gonzalez, who came to the United States from Cuba in 1971 with his family, said he supports the Trump administration’s tough stance on border security but disagrees with separating families.

“People who want to come here, and work for the American Dream, they should get papers and follow the rules,” Gonzalez said. “But it breaks my heart to see mothers and fathers divided from their children. Families should be together all the time.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/28/immigrant-girl-hides-in-auto-shop-after-escaping-attendants-from-florida-detention-facility/?utm_term=.2033de3601b8

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Girl escapes detention center, hides in auto shop sobbing. Owner, a Trump supporter, turns her in... (Original Post) kpete Jul 2018 OP
Evil. Fucking. Monsters. n/t CottonBear Jul 2018 #1
As a Cuban, he didn't have to follow any rules. He had automatic asylum. Guess it's FIGMO for him SharonAnn Jul 2018 #22
It didn't enter their minds to call one of the agencies madaboutharry Jul 2018 #2
"Bertha Lopez called Nora Sandigo, head of a local nonprofit organization oberliner Jul 2018 #26
I didn't catch that when I read the article. madaboutharry Jul 2018 #43
What's to catch? That certainly does not absolve Gonzalez for sending her back to the cages. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #78
But the cops got there first, thanks to Mr. Gonzalez dropping a dime on her. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #60
He chose poorly. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2018 #3
And he will get his ass bitten Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #4
"It's safer for her in detention than out on the streets Hortensis Jul 2018 #19
A quick google finds that there are resources for homeless or otherwise at-risk teens in WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2018 #21
None of those resources can put her in a place to be reunited with her family mythology Jul 2018 #39
There are several organizations that are working a lot harder than the government to reunite WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2018 #74
Contacted one of the legal aid groups that is trying to help these kids & their families dflprincess Jul 2018 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author irisblue Jul 2018 #5
I lived in Miami. Cubans enjoy a special status in the US bitterross Jul 2018 #6
This. Nt d_r Jul 2018 #7
That's a special status I had long wanted revoked. roamer65 Jul 2018 #15
Fuck Him. and yes, people like him are hypocrites and think they are superior JI7 Jul 2018 #16
Back in the day: Cubans fleeing Castro good; Haitians fleeing Duvalier bad. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #34
I think you're right about the conditions. bitterross Jul 2018 #42
However bad it is now, it was worse under the Duvaliers Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #44
Trump supporters, like this guy MurrayDelph Jul 2018 #8
+1 sakabatou Jul 2018 #24
The occurred to me gratuitous Jul 2018 #25
Kids run away from detention often when they're being abused markses66 Jul 2018 #9
I thought the same thing. Abuse. I would have run away. notdarkyet Jul 2018 #33
From Cuba? - far different circumstances for non-Cuban refugees or migrants lame54 Jul 2018 #10
Cubans who fled Castro believed Russians were "malo". oasis Jul 2018 #11
This is horrible. We're doing horrible things. yardwork Jul 2018 #12
I thought Cubans were the only ones allowed to come here illegally nt maryellen99 Jul 2018 #13
"People who want to come here, and work for the American Dream, they should get papers and follow COLGATE4 Jul 2018 #14
There is no way to "get papers and follow the rules". NONE. Only approved request for Asylum. SharonAnn Jul 2018 #23
I wonder if this asshole was one of those demanding Elian be kept from his father JI7 Jul 2018 #17
What happened to Cuban immigrants in 1971? flotsam Jul 2018 #18
"Follow the rules"? Codeine Jul 2018 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2018 #48
I hope Yelp reviewers points out what he has done and destroys his business kimbutgar Jul 2018 #27
That is currently happening oberliner Jul 2018 #30
+1 yesssss kimbutgar Jul 2018 #46
Good. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #76
He's clearly an asshat, BUT RandySF Jul 2018 #28
Was taking her into his home MontanaMama Jul 2018 #29
"Bertha Lopez called Nora Sandigo, head of a local nonprofit organization oberliner Jul 2018 #31
That's what anyone with even a hint of compassion would have done. CozyMystery Jul 2018 #36
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #47
Really? fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #49
Make him famous. He will be bankrupt in a week cpamomfromtexas Jul 2018 #32
This is beyond #Civility. This is some serious Hitler-esque shit. Initech Jul 2018 #35
"Hitler-esque" ? oberliner Jul 2018 #37
Well what else would you call it? Initech Jul 2018 #38
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #53
I do not invoke Hitler lightly and do not think it is appropriate to do so here oberliner Jul 2018 #56
Yeah that might be going a bit too far. Initech Jul 2018 #57
So... if I run across a crying child hiding.... Takket Jul 2018 #41
Apparently, you should take desperate 15 year old girls into your home jberryhill Jul 2018 #50
Who said he should take her into his home? Why not call the ACLU? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #62
Replies 29 and 36 in this thread right here jberryhill Jul 2018 #73
Replies 29 & 36 do not address my post. What is your point? nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #75
Note that this person did not call the police, according to the article oberliner Jul 2018 #55
No, the article did not say that. Mr. Gonzalez ratted the girl out. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #61
No, if calling the cops will put her back into the hell she escaped from. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #63
Isn't her home in Honduras the hell she escaped from? oberliner Jul 2018 #68
Are you suggesting being locked up in a cage, separated from your family is not hell? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #71
Of course he's Cuban Bettie Jul 2018 #45
His lack of empathy is sickening, isn't it? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #58
Well, that is the stock and trade Bettie Jul 2018 #65
41 percent of Florida Cubans voted for Hillary Clinton oberliner Jul 2018 #66
That makes the majority still Republican Bettie Jul 2018 #67
You wrote "vast majority" oberliner Jul 2018 #69
Fine. Majority Bettie Jul 2018 #70
It's the younger Cubans 2nd/3rd gen. awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #77
Indeed. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #72
Looks like one of those whistler162 Jul 2018 #51
it's more his bs hypocrite comments about needing documents and shit JI7 Jul 2018 #54
Red Don is an evil bastard uponit7771 Jul 2018 #52
Soulless Cretin. sarcasmo Jul 2018 #59
Cubans heaven05 Jul 2018 #64

SharonAnn

(13,779 posts)
22. As a Cuban, he didn't have to follow any rules. He had automatic asylum. Guess it's FIGMO for him
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 09:19 PM
Jul 2018

He , and many others, may not realize that the ONLY way they can enter the U.S. is to claim Asylum. THERE IS NO LINE to apply for citizenship. There is a lottery for some. That's it. There is no application, review, verification, and then admittance. NONE! They are barred from this country unless they are successful in a claim for Asylum.

But he got taken care of because we had a special provision created for Cubans. No one else. Just Cubans.

madaboutharry

(40,224 posts)
2. It didn't enter their minds to call one of the agencies
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 01:46 PM
Jul 2018

helping the migrant families and have an immigration lawyer come to help her. That is the sad part.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
26. "Bertha Lopez called Nora Sandigo, head of a local nonprofit organization
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 09:29 PM
Jul 2018

that helps immigrant families navigate the legal system. Lopez told the girl that they would get her a lawyer if she needed one. But the girl was inconsolable."

That's in the WaPo article.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
78. What's to catch? That certainly does not absolve Gonzalez for sending her back to the cages.
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 11:43 AM
Jul 2018

She had already been ratted out by Mr. Gonzalez and was being sent back to the government run torture chamber. Of coarse she was hysterical.

As reported in the Washington Post article cited in the OP:

Sandigo, the immigrant advocate, arrived at the auto shop soon after the girl was recaptured and said she called 911 to try to talk to somebody and let them know she could help.

“She was desperate to be safe, but she didn’t want to go back to that place,” Sandigo said. “She said she wanted her freedom, and her family. She has nobody here.”

....

Gonzalez said he’s glad he told the officers where to find the girl.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/28/immigrant-girl-hides-in-auto-shop-after-escaping-attendants-from-florida-detention-facility/?utm_term=.7d4d2a0b417e

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
60. But the cops got there first, thanks to Mr. Gonzalez dropping a dime on her.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jul 2018

From the article:

"Gonzalez said he’s glad he told the officers where to find the girl."

That is why she was inconsolable: she was going back to the hell she was trying to escape from.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. "It's safer for her in detention than out on the streets
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 08:05 PM
Jul 2018

with no family. It was a hard decision. ... “But it breaks my heart to see mothers and fathers divided from their children. Families should be together all the time.”

A 15-year-old girl without friends, family, or home alone on the streets of an alien city? What would you have done? For real?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
21. A quick google finds that there are resources for homeless or otherwise at-risk teens in
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 08:11 PM
Jul 2018

Homestead that don't involve instant criminal designation or incarceration.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
39. None of those resources can put her in a place to be reunited with her family
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 11:01 PM
Jul 2018

other than giving her back to the government.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
74. There are several organizations that are working a lot harder than the government to reunite
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 08:01 AM
Jul 2018

children with their parents.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
40. Contacted one of the legal aid groups that is trying to help these kids & their families
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 11:15 PM
Jul 2018

& asked them what I should do.

Response to kpete (Original post)

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
6. I lived in Miami. Cubans enjoy a special status in the US
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 02:00 PM
Jul 2018

Ironically enough, Cubans, for years, enjoyed a special status in the US because our fight against the USSR and Communism in the Cold War.

Cuban refugees simply needed to get their feet on dry land and they were allowed to stay and pursue permanent residency after a year. This is one of the things that gave us Elian Gonzalez. Obama revoked this policy as he normalized relations with Cuba.

My personal observation having lived in Miami (Homestead is not far from Miami) is Miami-Cubans looked down on other Hispanics. I'm not saying this motivated the Trump supporter in this instance. I do not know that man or his thoughts. I'm also not saying it didn't influence the Trump supporter either. Trump supporters do seem to have a racist, us-vs-them, bent.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
34. Back in the day: Cubans fleeing Castro good; Haitians fleeing Duvalier bad.
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 10:27 PM
Jul 2018

They both took the same risks, and many died. I always felt the Haitians were fleeing worse circumstances than the Cubans.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
42. I think you're right about the conditions.
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 11:23 PM
Jul 2018

I'm sure Cuba isn't great for everyone. But Haiti looks like it's miserable for everyone, everywhere.

MurrayDelph

(5,301 posts)
8. Trump supporters, like this guy
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 02:44 PM
Jul 2018

Are the kind of people who go to theatres producing The Diary of Anne Frank just so they can yell "She's in the attic!"

 

markses66

(94 posts)
9. Kids run away from detention often when they're being abused
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 02:49 PM
Jul 2018

It's safer for her inside? Maybe. Or maybe he sent her back to a rapist.

oasis

(49,410 posts)
11. Cubans who fled Castro believed Russians were "malo".
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 03:18 PM
Jul 2018

This Trumpszoid probably thinks they’re now“muy bueno”.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
14. "People who want to come here, and work for the American Dream, they should get papers and follow
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 05:36 PM
Jul 2018

the rules" says the asshole who, by virtue of being from Cuba only had to set foot on dry land in the US and was then immediately accepted and able to get all types of government benefits unavailable to the rest of the world. Good thinking there Sparky.

SharonAnn

(13,779 posts)
23. There is no way to "get papers and follow the rules". NONE. Only approved request for Asylum.
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 09:20 PM
Jul 2018

Or, maybe you could win one of the very few lottery numbers? Not likely.

JI7

(89,276 posts)
17. I wonder if this asshole was one of those demanding Elian be kept from his father
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 07:47 PM
Jul 2018

and the criminal family in miami be Allowed to keep him.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
18. What happened to Cuban immigrants in 1971?
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 08:05 PM
Jul 2018

"the United States Congress passed the Cuban Adjustment Act in 1966. The Cuban Refugee Program provided more than $1.3 billion of direct financial assistance. They also were eligible for public assistance, Medicare, free English courses, scholarships, and low-interest college loans.[citation needed]

Some banks pioneered loans for exiles who did not have collateral or credit but received help in getting a business loan. These loans helped many Cuban Americans to secure funds and start up their own businesses. With their Cuban-owned businesses and low cost of living, Miami, Florida and Union City, New Jersey (dubbed Havana on the Hudson)[5][6] were the preferred destinations for many immigrants and soon became the main centers for Cuban American culture."


I guess some Hispanics are more equal than others...

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
20. "Follow the rules"?
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 08:08 PM
Jul 2018

Fuck you, you useless piece of shit. The “rules” for you guys weren’t much more than “show up and you’re good.”

Sanctimonious prick needs his nose broken.

Response to Codeine (Reply #20)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
30. That is currently happening
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 09:40 PM
Jul 2018

Yelp reviews posted today:

Since you have NO compassion for kids, you don't deserve anyone's business.

bunch of boot licking scum here, collaborators.

the owner would turn over a lost child to the gestopo

this place is owned by the type of people who call the cops on crying children and who think immigrants should be locked in camps-

The owner is a piece of shit. He's full of hate, a coward and a snitch. The worst kind of person.

Vile bootlicking scum. Ruined the life of a young girl fleeing a detention center. The owner is an absolute danger to his community. Don't support this collaborator trash.

And on and on....

RandySF

(59,275 posts)
28. He's clearly an asshat, BUT
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 09:33 PM
Jul 2018

even a sympathetic person would have been in serious trouble had they not called it in.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
29. Was taking her into his home
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 09:39 PM
Jul 2018

and calling an immigrant advocacy group not an option? JFC, I would have gladly wrapped this young woman in love and safety. What have we become?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
31. "Bertha Lopez called Nora Sandigo, head of a local nonprofit organization
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 09:41 PM
Jul 2018

that helps immigrant families navigate the legal system. Lopez told the girl that they would get her a lawyer if she needed one. But the girl was inconsolable."

Response to MontanaMama (Reply #29)

Initech

(100,105 posts)
35. This is beyond #Civility. This is some serious Hitler-esque shit.
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 10:34 PM
Jul 2018

That monster deserves to lose his business. Fuck him.

Initech

(100,105 posts)
57. Yeah that might be going a bit too far.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jul 2018

But it is very scary what Trump and his goons and supporters are doing right now.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
50. Apparently, you should take desperate 15 year old girls into your home
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 04:28 AM
Jul 2018

Since nobody would have some questions about your intentions in so doing.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
62. Who said he should take her into his home? Why not call the ACLU?
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:55 PM
Jul 2018

The ACLU represents these children in court. They could have advised him how to proceed.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
55. Note that this person did not call the police, according to the article
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 11:11 AM
Jul 2018

They called Nora Sandigo, the head of a local nonprofit organization that helps immigrant families navigate the legal system.

http://norasandigochildrenfoundation.org/

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
61. No, the article did not say that. Mr. Gonzalez ratted the girl out.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:49 PM
Jul 2018

The call to the police was allegedly from an anonymous caller, but it appears pretty likely it was Mr. Gonzalez.


From the article:

"Gonzalez said he’s glad he told the officers where to find the girl."

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
63. No, if calling the cops will put her back into the hell she escaped from.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jul 2018

What the government is doing to these kids is a crime against humanity. How could you live with yourself if you were a party to sending her back to that?

How about calling the ACLU, who represents these kids in court, or an immigrant rights group? How about getting her some food and water?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
68. Isn't her home in Honduras the hell she escaped from?
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:07 PM
Jul 2018

The US is the place she risked her life in order to get to.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
71. Are you suggesting being locked up in a cage, separated from your family is not hell?
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:32 PM
Jul 2018

Yes, her life in Honduras was no doubt hard, if not quite dangerous. But she had her family with her and was not locked up.

Bettie

(16,129 posts)
45. Of course he's Cuban
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 01:09 AM
Jul 2018

Easy to talk about getting papers and following the rules when they don't apply to you and yours. Easy to say 'wait your turn' when his people go immediately to the front of the line and get to bypass most of the rules.

Bettie

(16,129 posts)
65. Well, that is the stock and trade
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 06:55 PM
Jul 2018

of all Republicans and the vast majority of Florida Cubans are Republicans.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
66. 41 percent of Florida Cubans voted for Hillary Clinton
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 06:59 PM
Jul 2018

Cuban-American registered voters have been shifting toward the Democratic Party for more than a decade.

Bettie

(16,129 posts)
67. That makes the majority still Republican
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:02 PM
Jul 2018

and them shifting is good, but this guy? I doubt very much that he's anything other than what he appears to be.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
64. Cubans
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 06:07 PM
Jul 2018

fuck Gonzalez. Although a 15-year-old girl on the street would be a tragedy waiting to happen. So as much as I hate to say it, she is 'safer' in detention "American Dream" Gonzales? God damn, a conservative person can rationalize any goddamn thing. I bet he doesn't give a damn about the separation policy of trump either, many many Cubans in Florida are very conservative. Gonzalez is just saying something that sounds right. I won't start with the different colours of brown people situation that Cuba has always had. Like Brazil, the lighter the brown the more upper class they are thought to be and like Amerikan whites, hateful to the darker skins. Real brown? Well, I know all about that too.

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