That says an awful lot about America in 2018. Emphasis on the word awful.

We have a long way to go. Of course we will be hearing from those who like to yell about how we need young folks. Yes we do need young folks, but we also need experience. The Dems do support progressive ideas. We just haven't had the environment to get those ideas put into bills and passed. I watched in horror as the country moved right and voted for the repubs election after election going back decades. Now finally the country has moved left. Biden will attack and bring up ideas that will be popular. We need electoral wins and then we can work to make the changes we want for the country.

There's no way that 1 out of ever 5 voting Democrats would choose NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee. On the same line of thought, there's no way only 78 percent of people who voted for Trump last time would vote for him again. If he only got 78 percent of his 2016 vote, he'd be wiped out in one of the biggest electoral landslides we've ever seen.

A good chunk of Trump voters in 2016 were simply anti-Hillary and/or wanted a big change.

They have learned their lesson and will vote for the Dem in 2020, if we don't totally screw things up.

Biden is in good shape for his age, by any measure.

Trump is only going to atrophy.

I cringe when I see posts or conversations about Trump and 2020. The mere suggestion that he will be on the ballot in 2020 makes me puke and gives Trump too much credibility.

My response is that Trump is already being rated as one of the worst presidents ever, why even think about giving him a second term?

they would primary his fat worthless ass out of the White House.

I do worry about his age, but that is all, I have always really liked Biden.

it’s time to let go of the past. We need a strong, young, charismatic, progressive candidate to rally behind. If nothing changes, nothing changes.

Style points are just gravy.

Remember....Hillary won the popular vote as well. Does Biden lead the Electoral College vote?

...that did not like Hillary.

Polls don't matter. The only polls that matter are in PA, WI, and MI. Sad.

We need to move on. We need young blood.

Yes, in a perfect world experience and gravitas and qualifications would be what gets someone elected and gives them the best chance and all of that.

But as we saw in 2016 that is not the case. Doubling down on and complaining about how unfair it is, doesn't change the game itself.
We need to accept that and we need to move forward.

President Obama did not have a wealth of experience and he did just fine both electorally and as President.

Although a strongly progressive candidate could scare off some swing voters.

I will never ever forgive him for what he did to the bankruptcy laws (that basically screwed everyone in this nation who was in debt) and what he did to Anita Hill by voting to confirm thomas.

Why do some people look back 20-25 years at everything some democrats were involved with, even indirectly, and don't want to look back even two months to look at something Bernie did or said? Why is that? Plus, Bernie has something like a 30 year plus voting record that has a lot of rocks on it, just like Biden did votes or efforts that he likely would not do today.

Honestly, I hope neither Biden or Bernie run, we need to move on to the next generation of leaders.

thomas is still a deciding vote on the supreme court and was a sexual predator. biden gave him a pass.

the lack of transparent in present bankruptcy laws now on the books was due to biden who authored the bill. biden then senator of Maryland, home of virtually all credit card companies, bowed to their will to continue his campaign for senate and take their money to fund same. he put the concerns of credit card corporations before the needs of the people.

both of these issues still effect us all in many many negative ways to this very day.

if you think 20-25 years ago was a long time ago and shouldn't matter, perhaps then laws that were enacted 100 to 200 years ago, shouldn't matter either, right?

he was directly responsible for both situations and I will never ever forgive him.

A crime bill that unintentionally turned America into a prison industrial state for POC.

Mastered through Congress a bill that dumped medical nuclear waste near a poor Texas Latino community that did not want it.

Has repeatedly voted against action against Russia.


Why are so just focusing on Biden. Do you even pay attention to what he has said for several years about the Hill hearing and bankruptcy laws? Or would that blow up your narrative?

so your point is?

how do you know my position on Bernie?

It's not like it's hard to recognize.

and who did I vote for in the general, while holding my nose? and the same I would do with biden?

please explain how exactly that is hypocrisy?

I know full well of Bernie's flaws, but last time I checked, Hillary was the candidate, or did you miss that part?

also I find it really amusing that you seem obsessed with Bernie, not me. since this thread, originally was about biden and you chose to take the odd turn and make it about Bernie.

and it seems now that you have to fight the other posters odd fight.

everyone needs a hobby I guess.

anti-Biden spam. Maybe you missed that part, but it was very recognizable. I had asked if we could spam anti-Bernie articles or if it was just a one-way street about Biden.

The Biden concern was very recognizable. We need to be vigilant about not letting our Democrats be thrashed while one person is exalted. That didn't work last time, or at least candidates should be vetted equally.

Yes, reading about politics is quite a "hobby", isn't it??

I find them disgusting and shameful.

we are done.

you and the other poster are now blocked.

Disgusting and shameful is right. No more.

For some, that is easier than debating one's position, even as that position shifts like a pile of flour in an earthquake. I have been proven wrong a lot, sometimes proven right, but one thing I have never done or will do is set someone to ignore to avoid a debate.

a very disastrous bill for the working class, so never was a fan of VP Biden but I will vote for him just the same. At the time, politicians were supposed to be the voice of everyone, even banksters. Those days are gone, everything now goes to the 1%. I'm hoping we get some serious fresh faces running, someone with enough fire to give the fascists hell, so tired of weak, lets all get along BS. Would love to see HRC run again but wouldn't blame her if she just said to hell with it.

a 'generic' Democrat does 9 points better than Biden.

What this tells us is that Biden should probably not run.

is that there is no frontrunner for Dems this time around.

There are over half a dozen folks with a legit shot at getting the nomination.
Biden, Harris, Booker, Sanders, Warren, someone no one is thinking about yet, and probably 2-3 other names I'm not thinking about right at this moment.

And a "generic" candidate almost always beats a named/known candidate at this point in a race.

polls don't mean diddly squat. I never rely on polls, what we are very sure of is the Russian fascists and gop fascists are going to use every trick in the book to try to steal another election.

populist demagogues have wrought with their inflammatory lies. Biden is also a face of the Obama administration, so it's no wonder he's leading in the polls.

Go Joe!