Misogyny v. Freedom of Religion.

Personally, I am anti-Niqab, anti-Chador, anti-Burkha. The purpose they serve is repressive, no matter the rationale. Allah/God/Yahweh doesn't give a flying fuck if it sees your hair.

But the State should not compel clothing, and this law probably has roots in Anti-Immigrant reactionary politics, which I oppose reflexively. Muslim women should be free to embrace the most misogynistic aspects of their religion.

There is no good solution.

And quite a good and thoughtful take.

Lots to consider here, certainly.

That's why it's irrelevant.

Discussion seems to have gone a bit off the rails over there.

there's no resolution - the niqab is misogyny, the ban of niqabs is misogyny.

those were the kind of threads that made me hate DU back in 2016. I used to think I was arguing with Russians but man, that issue gets DU in a fighting mood like nothing else. I recognize several of the participants.

Though I think it is precisely what you describe that makes it such an interesting and thought-provoking situation to think about and discuss (recognizing, however, that it may not be possible to have such a conversation here).

With those habits and gross clothing?

You're already accusing me of hypocrisy or something and all I said was "here we go again".

DU's been through the wars on this topic, no? Was it ever resolved?

I was taught by lots of face covered nuns. I laughed at them but after a while, you don't even notice them.
I'm not covering my face for religion or misogyny. I honestly don't know which is worse - religion or patriarchy, but to each her/ his own.

Nuns, I would point out, are in Religious orders. To me that's a difference of degree.

Nuns never wore Niqabs - face veils. Basically, they wore Hijabs.

I never heard of any order of nuns whose habits covered their faces. Not saying it never was, but I've been Catholic for 69 years and that's a new one on me.

EDITED TO ADD: Well I'll be. Just did a search and there they were. Apparently this old lady still has things to learn.

Sorry if that sounded like a challenge.

face covered nun.