How can we possibly let Hogan get a second term?

"Martin O'Malley even taxed the rain."

Hogan is from a Republican political family, and (like Erlich and Steele) came at the campaign as an anti-tax, pro gun, social moderate. He more or less keeps his distance from Trump. The way Maryland has worked for the past 40 years or so is that the Bal-Wash corridor has voted Dem, and the less populous panhandle and Eastern Shore vote Republican. However, Hogan has done a really good job appealing to white suburbanites, and managed to win both Howard and Baltimore Counties (as opposed to the City of Baltimore).

Jealous will win PG County and Baltimore City and most likely Montgomery County - but that may be it unless he gets the rest of the party on board.

'Maryland gubernatorial nominee Ben Jealous needs all the help he can get to unseat incumbent Gov. Larry Hogan (R), but he’s facing resistance from some fellow Democrats uneasy with his left-wing platform.

Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett is declining to endorse Jealous for now because of concerns that Jealous’s positions on taxes, school funding and Amazon.com’s second headquarters would penalize Leggett’s constituents in the state’s most populous jurisdiction.

Long-serving Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. (D-Calvert), an influential moderate, offered only tepid backing for Jealous while praising Hogan for “governing from the middle.”

Other top Maryland Democrats, while voicing strong support for Jealous, disagree with him on issues such as his support for state-based, single-payer health care.'>>>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/leggett-not-ready-to-endorse-jealous-some-other-democrats-are-tepid/2018/07/26/3031eafe-8f7c-11e8-8322-b5482bf5e0f5_story.html?


No DUers responded.

in 'Maryland' prior to posting mine.

Somehow you'd think there would be a greater level of condemnation expressed at Democrats who support Republicans in this forum.

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there's already enough of it.

It's a just a crine-ass shame to be continually reminded that condemnation is a one-way street.

unless they are United states senators and house reps.

Disgusting

'Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett is declining to endorse Jealous for now because of concerns that Jealous’s positions on taxes, school funding and Amazon.com’s second headquarters would penalize Leggett’s constituents in the state’s most populous jurisdiction.

Long-serving Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. (D-Calvert), an influential moderate, offered only tepid backing for Jealous while praising Hogan for “governing from the middle.”'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10562444

I can understand policy differences, but to threaten to support the republican instead??

'Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett is declining to endorse Jealous for now because of concerns that Jealous’s positions on taxes, school funding and Amazon.com’s second headquarters would penalize Leggett’s constituents in the state’s most populous jurisdiction.

Long-serving Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. (D-Calvert), an influential moderate, offered only tepid backing for Jealous while praising Hogan for “governing from the middle.”'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10562444

NOT an accurate characterization that they have not held office for years, and while 'mostly white' may be accurate, not Ike Leggett: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isiah_Leggett

Better yet, read the WAPO article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/dozens-of-democrats-are-endorsing-mds-republican-governor-will-it-matter/2018/07/13/3027c046-8384-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html

I posted this later one, published July 27: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/leggett-not-ready-to-endorse-jealous-some-other-democrats-are-tepid/2018/07/26/3031eafe-8f7c-11e8-8322-b5482bf5e0f5_story.html?

WaPo confused? Deliberately confusing MD readers?

I do similar with sources like RawStory, because I always like to see the original articles rather than reading a summary in an op-ed type piece.

Thanks for the newer article. Appreciate it!

As County Executive, he has a lot of tax and money issues to deal with. I can see how he needs to become comfortable with a new plan.

(even tho I technically live in his large, wealthy county,) he appears to be a cautious person. (Haven't followed him closely because I also live in a different county, south of his, and more conservative.)

I thought Dems were supposed to support DEMS and NOT the Republican.

Jealous has virtually zero chance of winning in November. He’s goimg to be pummeled.

How has he done so far?

...when the "DEM" is an establishment centrist.

If Abdul wins with his scorched-earth campaign against Whitmer.

unconditional support MATH crowd to weigh in on this. I suspect I'll be waiting a while.

You are surrounded by left-liberals and progressives here.

Likely, it means many vocal members here can express their disdain for these Democrats who would support a Republican over Jealous, should they choose. It they don't, it wouldn't be very surprising. That's my read of it.

Thanks for the clarification, appreciate it!

You have guys in the late seventies and eighties who were in office in the seventies and eighties. Just remember that around ten plus years before they were in office, Maryland was BIG George Wallace country. They are of their time, when there was not a diverse Democratic Party in the state.

They have a candidate who ran in Republican primary earlier this year, and one of their candidates in Tennessee will be running against the Democratic candidate (as an Independent) in the GE in November.

Easy enough to disprove this absurd smear. WTF...

DU spent the better part of a decade smearing Obama and calling him all sorts of trash. If only Clinton won and the new policies against bashing the President took effect...

(Skinner made an epic post, assuming a Clinton win, where he said he wouldn't tolerate any more bashing of the Democratic President on DU.)

I remember the bitter losers in the PUMA gang. They never got over losing the primary.

Dunno the majority of DU’er are excited about his primary win.

"Leggett is declining to endorse Jealous for now"!

by being a transformative and inspiring candidate.

And you are OK with this?

suppose to mean? You think anyone calling that WE ALL vote for the Democrats on the November ballot are yanking some hypocritical chain?

This is Democratic Underground, right? Presumably we're all Democrats, facing the most consequential election of our lifetimes.

I'm not a Maryland resident so I can't vote in the state's election. But if I were, yes I would vote for Jealous because he has a "D" next to his name.

And btw, it is all about the MATH, how many asses we manage to seat. Nasty snark won't do anything to advance the Democratic Party or the progressive policies on anyone's menu.

Your comments are insulting.

who needs all hands on deck for the midterms.

for anyone but the Democrat?

If so, first you're dead wrong. Second, why don't you come out and say what you're saying? Are you embarrassed to?

A compelling strategy in a Clinton +27 state.

And a hearty good luck to you as well!

of voting for republicans for governor even if they are solid blue .

And unless something change, he will win reelection on the same night Liz Warren wins reelection to the US Senate.

Four years ago, it was all democrats there.

Some here will be made at me. The thing that hurt democrats at the go governor level in Vermont was the democratic governor there trying hard to get single payer implemented there. The state needed $2-3 billion seed money and Bernie chose to sit out the effort (I think his words were "I don't know what they are doing in Vermont&quot , after that effort failed badly due to lack of money, some legislative seats were lost and a republican elected governor.

and in trying to stop a republican from winning in his own state.

There was a big article in the Boston Globe about them complaining that he acted too much like a Democrat. If you have to live with a Republican governor, then it's best to have one that Republicans make THAT complaint about.

So how do you figure that?

I am convinced that a female democrat versus a republican of any sex simply have to clearly outwork the republican on the stomp to insure a win, that means virtually living on the trail, hitting small towns and big cities. When the democrat lost in 2014, she did not do that and just lost. BTW, wasn't Jill Stein on that gubernatorial ballot?

maybe we can stop with that bs argument.

I've always been a big admirer of Ben Jealous, a staunch progressive with a serious gift for clear, effective framing & messaging during his tenure at NAACP. Always hoped he would seek higher political office within our Party.

It's agonizing to think that any Dems in power in Md are turning against any well qualified Party nominee, but, holy cow, a former head of the NAACP!!! What's next on their agenda for attacking our vital coalition .. sabotaging a former head of Planned Parenthood if she gains a Dem political nomination?

Except, you know, the opposite of that.

Tennessee Democrat Hoping to Flip U.S. House Seat Opposes Reproductive Rights

https://rewire.news/article/2018/08/01/tennessee-democrat-hoping-to-flip-u-s-house-seat-opposes-reproductive-rights/

Barlow offered specifics about her views in a statement to Rewire.News. “I oppose abortion except in cases of rape or life of the mother. I support the Hyde Amendment which prohibits federal funding of abortion. I also oppose physician assisted suicide,” she said. “Taking human life is fundamentally incompatible with the role of a healer. During my medical education, training and practice, I’ve cared for patients in all stages of life and in all stages of pregnancy. I have a deep respect for human life in all its stages from the womb to the tomb. True reproductive justice will never be achieved as long as we refuse to acknowledge the basic fact that a human fetus is a human being.”

When it comes to policies she supports, Barlow pointed to the “Pregnant Women Support Act – Pregnancy Assistance Fund.” According to DFLA’s website, it is one of the organization’s “proudest accomplishments” and was introduced in Congress in hopes of reducing the number of abortions. Barlow said she would “work to improve the economic situation of women via support for raising the Federal Minimum Wage, support legislation for paid parental benefits, support Child Care For Working Families Act, support universal preK and support funding for before/after school programs.”

...

She did not directly answer questions about whether she would support funding for Planned Parenthood or if she would seek to restrict abortion access if elected.

Both of the leading candidates in the race, if I read the article right, seem to agree on everything but abortion, the minister is pro choice and the doctor is anti choice. I don't know how democrats in the district lean, so I don't know which woman's view on choice has the stronger appeal there. We do have at least one US Senator who is anti choice, but on everything else, he is pretty solid. Even if the doctor makes it to the US House (which could be a distinct possibility if she wins the primary), she is just one vote on choice issues, she seem set to vote with republicans on choice and with democrats on everything else (pay, minimum wage, PreK, ect). I prefer the minister to win the primary and the general, but recognize that the doctor could well win the primary and possibly the General (either woman can win the General).

If she supports it yet claims to "respect life" then it proves she's full of shit.

He often speaks out against Trump. He was critical in pushing through the Purple Line public trans project that had been stalled forever. He also signed some legislation that provides more grants for education. Also, he has a personality that people tend to like him.

I am suspicious of all Republicans and will vote for Jealous but I do understand why many Dems are going to vote for Hogan.

He likes to say he didn't vote for Donald Trump all the time.

So who did he vote for? Someone should ask him, maybe in a debate.

She has said they'll vote for Hogan because he's been good for MD. BUT I'm hoping to change their minds when I visit them in October for 4 weeks.

I have been very vocal in criticizing Bernie and he merry band of followers for trying to primary sitting Democratic house members. I find it troubling.

But this is many degrees of magnitude worse. Supporting a Republican!

That said, I think the headline is somewhat disingenuous. I was thinking there was a list of currently serving state House members supporting the republican. After reading the article I see they are not a bunch of statewide office holders and many of them are no longer serving

I think the truth is that anytime a person of color is our candidate there will always be some white, mainly older democrats who do not support them. Just a symptom of our dysfunctional race problem in the US.

Here’s to Jealous kicking the republican out of the governors mansion!

A few days ago, WaPo headed with this: 'Leggett not ready to endorse Jealous; some other Democrats are tepid.' https://www.democraticunderground.com/10562444


Here today I saw that Leggett is 'available,' awaiting a meeting with Jealous.

He had primary support raging from Bernie to Biden. Did he run a negative campaign?

It's a few factors. Party traditionalists wanted PG County Executive Rushern Baker. Ben Jealous ran well to the left of Baker - and also ran a better campaign. Hogan has very high approval ratings (even among Dems) and has kept his distance from Trump. There is also a little bit of rivalry in Maryland politics between the Baltimore politicians and the PG/Montgomery County politicians.

myself included, but I don't live in MD.

is not going to help him.

Just like you have an opinion.

Claiming that he is going to go crazy raising taxes. Reminds me of how Hogan got in last Gubernatorial election, ads about the Dem candidate was for a "rain tax". I have no idea what the rain tax was supposed to be, I suspect it was some environmental charge, there is no "rain tax", but it got Hogan elected.

labels like whether one is a democratic socialist, progressive, liberal etc.

just talk about the issues and how they would work.

...yet I suspect HoCo will vote for Hogan ...again.

From a month ago, but it provides some perspective and history to the non-Marylanders in the thread

Baltimore Sun

Even the centralist Democrats need to support the Democratic candidate. It is that important!

Republicans will stick like glue to a candidate they despise, but Democrats dump on the ones they don't care for. Really stupid. And because he's a former NAACP president, doubly stupid.

It helped split the vote and elect Marco Rubio to the Senate.

Meek had no chance to win. I believe he was polling in the teens against Rubio. Crist was the only chance to keep the seat not-Red since Crist said he would caucus with the Dems. Well we all know how that turned out.

And they're pulling the same trick 3rd party spoiler types did back then. Disingenuously trying to smear those who were trying to lobby for a strategic vote because Meek had no chance, thinking they were pulling a gotcha, because as always they're bad at math.

the white men who left the party because it moved to the right . why aren't these white men supporting Ben Jealous ?

It saddens me that Democrats are backing the GOP governor especially when the Republicans want a constitutional convention. Has anybody else seen the tv ads? This is a must win race! We need to flip the state.

state.

this happens in Vermont, Massachusetts, Maine and other blue areas also.

People are still not taking the threat of a constitutional convention seriously, and those evil bastards were only a state away not long ago. We HAVE to ensure that never happens, or it’s game over.

Jealous is OUR nominee, he won fair and square, the primary is over. These posts I find counterproductive to OUR nominee winning this governorship and violates our own rules here on DU.

I find it rather strange.

In the 2013 election, we had a great Democratic candidate in Barbara Buono, but she was too progressive for some of the Old Guard types here.

The support of many centrist Democrats helped Christie to a big re-election win that had him dreaming of the White House. Well, that went nowhere, but we were still stuck with him in Trenton for four more years.