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@GretchenWhitmer is using democratic clubs that do not exist to bring in $550K of corporate dark money into a super PAC, Build A Better Michigan, to pour that money into TV ads to sway your vote.
We say no more corporate politics.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
msongs
(67,433 posts)Gothmog
(145,481 posts)brush
(53,818 posts)Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)She'a talking against CPS in NY, for doing their jobs and investigating a complaint. Doesn't matter if it's bogus, the point of investigating is to determine I'd abuse is happening. And it doesn't matter who you are, you still.need to follow the law and if you're running for Congress you should understand the basics of how stuff works and why.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)We needed a better SC, for fucks sake. WTF is this.
TexasTowelie
(112,350 posts)Maybe he has some internal polling?
El-Sayed knew the rules going into the race.
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)If he can't have it, let the repukes win.
TexasTowelie
(112,350 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 2, 2018, 07:18 PM - Edit history (1)
fans act like it's all perfectly ok that he brought trump into the conversation about "progressiveness".
sheshe2
(83,850 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)safeinOhio
(32,713 posts)a lot on attack adds against Whitmer. They only help him.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)And he echoes their talking points. He's endorsed by Justuce Dems, who are tied to Rigjt Wing Republican donors, Our Revolution which is a dark money pac, he gets money from pacs and keeps sliming her.
The 527 group he's attacking her in, is not controlled by her and he's deliberately conflating it and then just making up crap.
He has been doing nothing but.lying and attacking her, she has not responded in kind wondering about what he has been up to at his closed door fundraisers with CEOs of corporations or his pacs. The Repubs are doing somplainly and wrapping it up in racism and the Steiners he's embracing.
He's gone off the rails. Is this what happens when you so desperate and have nothing good to say doe yourself? Racism, misogyny and outright lies. This is both familiar and disgusting. Might be.why his paid for online poll is still putting him behind.
This is just gross.
Cha
(297,503 posts)for your perspective, Ninsianna.
Does OR have to disclose where their money comes from?
Link to tweet
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Group. This is just deplorable. And what's galling is how familiar these deplorable tactics are.
He "corrected" it, buy doubled down. This seems to be a pattern with him. He also went full racist on her several times. Claims she ignores minorities. (Her staff is full of them, she'a been attending events, functions etc. of several different communities that I've personally seen.)
Meanwhile, no one knows who Abdul is outside of "hey my kid whr to Andover with him". Andover is the high school in one of the richest communities in the country. Literally the town Romney lived in. (He went to the private school down the street.)
The psychiatrists are not happy with his marijuana position, and wonder just where this guy saw patients. They deal with the after effects of people whose 23 medications necessary to maintain their mental health and the medical marijuana they already have free access to.
DFW
(54,433 posts)What is usually referred to as "Andover" is usually the boarding school called "Phillips Academy" in Andover, Mass. Andover is hardly one of the richest communities in the country. It is a sleepy little Massachusetts town. Many of the elite of the country (and the world) do send their children there. The group of P.A. parents may indeed constitute one of the richest communities in the country. The town was not. They also took the kids of normal mortals on occasion.
I know because I graduated there. I was taken as a "one year senior" even though my parents were neither rich nor famous. After going to school in Spain, I was given the chance to apply to finish high school there and graduate there. It was something new, and so I thought I'd give it a try. My alumnus interviewer was named George Herbert Walker Bush. Nice enough guy, but I thought more suited to be the corner druggist than a member of the government.
About 70% of the student body in my day consisted of privileged, nasty rich-kid Republican types. Some of the others were disinterested pure academics, and the "rest" of us were the rebels, the misfits, the token ABC ghetto guys (the alumni were furious when we elected a black guy from Oakland as our class president--the privileged kids didn't bother to vote--oops!).
For the record, I hated my year there. I had never been to a boarding school before, and felt imprisoned by all the enthusiastically enforced restrictions. I got my revenge in two ways, one of which probably went undetected to this day, and one of which they found about too late, and were permanently embarrassed about to this day.
In my day, we were all forced to attend religious services of some sort on Sundays. They even had tickets printed up like movie stubs to hand in each week to prove we had been there (for those of us who attended the protestant church on campus). Each one had a different letter, and they were called "religion tickets." I swear I am not making this up. Disgusted at the thought, I asked if there were any alternatives, and they presented me with a few. One was the Unitarian church in Andover, which volunteered to pick up any P.A. students and return them to campus after the services. I said, well, better that than the Bible thumpers, so as the only "Unitarian" on campus, I signed up. When I got there, they asked if I wanted to sit for the service, or hanf out with the people my age in the kitchen. Are you kidding? So, I made friends with the townies (unheard-of back then), and even--with school approval!--joined the church youth group "LRY (Liberal Religious Youth." At least the L and the Y were accurate. What that meant was that on Sunday evenings, one of them would pick me up, and we'd fire up the church organ, and I'd play Doors tunes on it while others played and sang along. Needless to say, for the next semester, a few other P.A. students "converted" to Unitarianism when I told them.
My other bit of revenge was on graduation day. My brother, one year behind me, and at a rival school, was with me when we were all herded together like cattle for the class picture. It happened so quickly, that my brother couldn't get out of the crowd, so I said, just act like you're one of us. The school never cared enough to know who was a student and who wasn't anyway. Sure enough, my brother, who never attended P.A. Andover, is forever enshrined in our class picture. The school finally heard about it, but never figured out who the ringer was.
Now, nearly 30 years later, I met up with the new head of P.A., and it was a woman (!! it seems that P.A. had since merged with the girls' school down the street) who seemed perfectly reasonable, and I was welcome (hint, hint) to have my obviously bright children apply for entry there. I said, thanks for the offer, but I had been scarred for life by the rigid intolerance of the school administration while I was there--ironically, "to keep the alumni happy." Well, this as one alumnus who wasn't happy, and it was too late to do anything about it. I got crapped on by the Republican-style jocks, looked down upon by the Park Avenue rich kids ("a Southerner! Yecch!" , and ignored by the administration. I'll bet G.W. Bush, who was there longer than I was, and graduated before I got there, had a great time there.
We weren't ALL dorks, of course, and I noticed that one classmate ended up as one of Obama's closet foreign policy advisers. But I have had no contact at all with my other classmates except when I ran into one of them at the Denver DNC convention to nominate Obama for the presidency. Suddenly, at a side presentation, I saw who was doing the audio-visual tech stuff, and it was a quiet guy from my Andover class who was heavily into--surprise, surprise--audio-visual while he was in my class.
Was there another "private school down the street?" I wouldn't know. Andover High probably referred to us as "the private school down the street." But I had a miserable enough time there to react negatively to anyone who tells me they went there unless they have some serious "splainin' to do (as have I)."
Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)This is disgusting and someone needs to step in to stop it! Will El-Sayed support Whitmer after the primary?? I'll hang up and listen...
RandySF
(59,125 posts)Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I see no indication that he plans to back her in the general. He seems to be trying to inflict as much damage as he can. And Bernie is coming to campaign with him over the weekend, pretty telling.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)I just recruited some friends to canvass and phone bank on sunday. We have seen this exact script before. The brand of this playbook is LIES.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)Gothmog
(145,481 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)msongs
(67,433 posts)kcr
(15,318 posts)Totally baseless defamation accusing Whitmer of a federal crime. This is the legacy that Sanders will leave behind because he was longtime friends with Devine and wanted his buddy to run his campaign. This is what counts as a progressive movement now. El-Sayed is one step away from "lock her up"
still_one
(92,353 posts)Democratic party
They are obviously using the Democratic Party to further their own political ambitions, and this is not going unoticed, and lets see how well that works out for them, because there are a lot of Democrats who wont stand for this bullshit
RandySF
(59,125 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,434 posts)It stinks to high heaven.
drray23
(7,637 posts)What we have learned over the past few months:
1) Sanders has been a politiician all his life, yet he did not attempt to run for president until this last cycle
2) He did so by building a huge momentum especially with Younger voters who are on social media all the time.
3) Russians were trying to help Trump win
4) they did this by using social media to spread misinformation and pit people against each other
5) Tad Devine was the chief strategist and no stranger to such machinations as we are seeing now
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-bernie-sanders-ad-man-who-played-paul-manaforts-game/2018/08/01/0df78c18-95c7-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html?utm_term=.86c9bb27f7c6)
6) at some point, the Sanders campaign gained access to Clinton's campaign "get out the vote" systems.
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-sanders-campaign-improperly-accessed-clinton-voter-data/2015/12/17/a2e2e14e-a522-11e5-b53d-972e2751f433_story.html?utm_term=.bb2659e2f4ce)
7) Come 2018, we are being warned the russians are at still at it
(https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-hackers-new-target-a-vulnerable-democratic-senator )
8) suddenly, OR candidates appear out of nowhere and run aggressiively against democrats fanning the flames of discord
Now it could just be coincidences.. or we can put it all together.
kcr
(15,318 posts)Too many coincidences.
JI7
(89,261 posts)in his own state he took no part in it .
yet this is supposed to be his big issue that he uses to attack others ?
and it wasn't like it was many years ago. it was less than 5 years ago .
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Wow.
honest.abe
(8,680 posts)Even Democrats think she's a crook.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Hooefully voters in Michigan won't get fooled twice. Trump's popularity is under water there and if he damaged the auto industry there more, it will sink farther by October, that should set Whitmer up for a win.
Cha
(297,503 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)markses66
(94 posts)Gothmog
(145,481 posts)kcr
(15,318 posts)RandySF
(59,125 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)He doesn't care about Michigan.. only El Sayed.
John Gruff
(58 posts)You know, the real kind.
kcr
(15,318 posts)He needs to ask Bernie when he comes to help him out. He can connect him with the people who know the finer points of what money laundering really is since he seems fuzzy on that.
R B Garr
(16,972 posts)has to explain Tad Devine. He's doing the real deal...unbelievable hypocrisy. Manafort is a criminal.
lapucelle
(18,303 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)lapucelle
(18,303 posts)The ethical thing to do after falsely and publicly accusing an opponent of a federal crime in order to sow seeds of doubt with voters would be to withdraw from the primary. This speaks to el-Sayed's judgment and fitness for office.
MAHALO!!!!!
Cha
(297,503 posts)AOC owes Joe Crowley a public Tweet apology for going off on him in a tweet about "mounting a 3rd party campaign against" her. But, crickets after she discovered she was wrong.
Link to tweet
JHan
(10,173 posts)Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)emulatorloo
(44,166 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)other candidates of the same party, that candidate is losing.
This will only drive more votes to Whitmer.
I hate to see this kind of crap in Democratic primary races. It hurts everyone.
The support of Sanders and others for that candidate is misplaced and harmful.