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Sancho

(9,070 posts)
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 07:42 AM Aug 2018

We really need to win in Florida...

My experience here is that the elections are hacked, and back to 2004 there is good evidence that the Democrats should have won many more than the declared winner. Regardless, Rick Scott and friends are an environmental disaster. If you don't live here, you may not have noticed. We've passed referendums to clean up the everglades several times, but the worse-governor-ever ignores the people. Read the article at the link:

https://www.floridaphoenix.com/2018/08/03/yes-this-really-is-rick-scott-adam-putnam-and-pam-bondis-fault/

Yes, this really is Rick Scott, Adam Putnam and Pam Bondi’s fault

As horrified people watch dead manatees, marine mammals, fish and hundreds of sea turtles wash up on Florida’s southwest coast, politicians are tripping over one another to express concern.

But a look back eight years ago shows that three key state leaders – Gov. Rick Scott, Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam, and Attorney General Pam Bondi – fought bitterly against stricter limits for the very pollution now sliming South Florida. And they started with a letter written just 10 days after they were elected.

Their opposition was ideological; In the November 2010 letter of objection to U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson, they complained that setting pollution limits for sewage, manure and fertilizer runoff would be an “onerous regulation” by an “overbearing federal government.”

It would also, they argued, interfere with the ability to squeeze every last dollar out of the cash cow that is the Sunshine State.
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janterry

(4,429 posts)
1. It would sure help if some of our national 'big names'
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 07:50 AM
Aug 2018

went down to help Nelson. He needs help - and with some energy (okay, a lot of energy) and support (a lot of support)
he can pull it off. But right now, he's behind and Scott has money and......idk. I never got how that idiot got elected Gov., but he's got whatever he's got. And Nelson needs a shot of charisma.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
9. I agree...there's not enough help to win Florida (except from the repubs)
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:31 AM
Aug 2018

tRump is here every week, and they have a BUNCH of money. Most Fl politicians are almost on their own.

Scott in the Senate would be a major problem; but most of the rest of the nation don't realize how bad he is...

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
10. I don't see why we can't make inroads in the retirement villages
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:54 PM
Aug 2018

Those folks were from 'up north' and they could be 'helped' to realize that trump threatens medicaid/medicare and their retirement.

Somehow, that doesn't happen. I wish they had a realistic town hall in the villages or some such place and put out the problems that await entitlements. Those retirees think that their bank accounts are protected via trump (and it's true, the stock market is doing okay).

But if they get hit in their ever lovin' medicare - well. That will smart!

Not everyone can be reasoned with. But some people can.

And the Hispanic vote. We should at least have the Puerto Ricans - and we don't

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
12. Can't reason with the retirement age crowd
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 05:03 PM
Aug 2018

Two Republicans for every Democrat in The Villages. There have been many related articles toward the politics of those communities. It is largely the so-called Silent Generation born 1928 to 1945. They turned 18 under either Truman with his low approval rating or Eisenhower with very high approval rating, and therefore predisposed to think like Republicans.

Current issues mean very little to that crowd.

http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/2017/10/05/still-booming-with-retirees-the-villages-gives-trump-gop-edge-in-florida/

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
14. I have thought about what you posted
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 09:47 AM
Aug 2018

and found it sobering. But I've sort of mulled it over and still think that we need a response. You are probably right that we can't change those voters. But we can't just let trump's lies - even with those entrenched voters - go unchallenged.

Even if all we accomplish is to energize the Democrats in those places.....I think that's important. We need to lodge a response in every corner that we can - leave nothing unanswered. Every little bit of press that we get - and every rational argument that we make - has to help.

Anyway. I was sad to read those articles. I had retirement relatives down South for many years (all ex-NY'er Democrats). So.....pooh.

But we're in the right. So, we have to get our ideas out there AS right. (Every chance we get .

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
3. Scott needs to get hammered over the current SunPass fiasco as well.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 09:01 AM
Aug 2018

He likes to point out the corruption in D.C. while his reptilian hands are dirty as hell.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
4. The Algae Crisis is on him as well
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 09:09 AM
Aug 2018

In 2008, we were supposed to buy the land south of Lake Okeechobee to have the water drain south, the way nature intended it. Then Scott gets into office and stops the buying of the land. Now look at the mess in the St Lucie estuary and River. Look at the mess in Cape Coral and Fort Myers. I just saw pRick Scott's new ad and he blames Nelson for it. The man is an absolute nightmare.

Oh and the Pulse shooting. He did NOTHING after the Pulse shooting. How anyone can take whatever this man says is beyond me. How the hell is he leading in any polls??

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
5. No argument there. He buys his elections through the tee vee.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 09:30 AM
Aug 2018

I blame the transplants in this state for helping to elect the yahoos we put in elected office. Just my gut and everyday dealings with people to confirm my suspicion.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. I'm with you except blaming the "transplants"
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 09:47 AM
Aug 2018

for Florida's intrinsic knuckledragging.

Just look at Florida high culture. Right. There's some in a few places, but it's mostly a yahoo state. Unfortunately, you're right that most of the retiree transplants vote protectively, i.e., economically conservative. But most of the state's cosmopolitanism, such as it is, and a large portion of its liberalism are transplant from more advanced regions to the north.

Me, I'm inclined to blame it above all on the extremely hot climate, especially before air conditioning, and the rampant disease and parasite infestations that once made thriving and even surviving in Florida very challenging. We now know life-challenging conditions tend to create more conservative cultures, as a glance at any world political map confirms. And we don't need to glance at a map to know that our hot states are all strongly conservative dominated and that our very cold-winter states outside their cities are also.

Yet another reason to fear global warming.

A snowbirder, and remembering that like many we can't vote to help advance our second state brings up that as another factor.

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
7. Point taken.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:07 AM
Aug 2018

I grew up in Florida, moved away for about two decades (Texas) and returned on family issues. I just seem to remember, or want to remember, we had a bigger D presence when I was younger. I was a kid during the Nixon years and seem to remember another crook in Tally named Claude Kirk(?) , so it's not like anything new on the corruption scale in state gubmint.

Your last sentence makes me sad because I know quite a few "snowbirders" who are awesome, decent, left leaning people who have expressed the same regret on their voting limitations. I just have this habit as to asking people their state of origin whenever a conservative and or batshit crazy point of view is proffered.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Your memories and insights are interesting.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:28 AM
Aug 2018

I'm guessing you're completely right about Democrats once being stronger. Probably at least somewhat like much of the rest of the country, though. Union members tended to register and vote Democrat, and so of course did more southern conservatives. The average conservative, regardless of which party registered with, often supported things they now threaten to set the nation on fire to prevent.

Sigh. And for this: "I just have this habit as to asking people their state of origin whenever a conservative and or batshit crazy point of view is proffered." I often do that down there too. When I don't I go with the odds and guess they're from rural Michigan.

After August, maybe you guys will start seeing signs in Florida of what Trump's endorsement will mean in the general, as opposed to primary, elections. Politico ominously profiled it called Florida's "pickleball generation" at The Villages a couple weeks ago. The author's theme really made me hope Trump makes them nervous about what he might do their investment income. Soon.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
11. Even when I moved here in the mid80s Democrats held sway
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 04:39 PM
Aug 2018

But that was before the southern democrats had completed their switch to republican.

But we have just about eliminated gerrymandering in the state House and have a shot at the senate. And I think if we nominate Graham we have a good shot the governor.

Nelson has had his political obituary written before and survived in worse climates than this. If we can tie the environmental disaster now taking place in south Florida to Scott that will go a long way. People are really, really pissed and there are lots of moderate republicans down that way who might switch if they think Nelson can help fix their beaches and bays.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
13. The GOP has its act together in Florida
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 05:09 PM
Aug 2018

The contrast is dramatic. My sister and aunt are registered Republicans. Whenever I visit them there are tons of political flyers in the mail. Literally every day. I'll see it on the table or sometimes I grab the mail out of their box when I get there. Today my aunt had three different flyers pushing Republican candidates or messaging.

I am a registered Democrat. So far this cycle I have received nothing. NOTHING. I requested an absentee ballot and that came in the mail on Monday. But that is the only political item I have seen this midterm.

Such a contrast to Las Vegas, where I lived for 24 years and in the final half dozen year or so there was no question that Harry Reid had the operation running so smoothly and with great sophistication that Republicans were badly outmaneuvered in Clark County.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
15. I've lived here in South Florida since 1986
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 10:31 AM
Aug 2018

I have received mail from Dems every other year since I registered to vote in 1989. As a matter of fact I've received flyers from Levine, Greene and Chris King so far before the primary.

Not sure when you moved here, but it may be that they didn't have you on their mailing lists yet.

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