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Initech

(100,081 posts)
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:30 PM Aug 2018

Something I noticed about Antifa

And I never thought about it today until I saw this post about the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210957390

The thing I noticed is - ever notice how Antifa is *NEVER* at our rallies? They're *ALWAYS* at rallies for Milo, and the Proud Boys, and Patriot Prayer, the Oath Keepers, the III%ers, and all the other ugly groups. So how are the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer able to infiltrate these groups? Do they know something we don't? Something about this stinks and I can't quite put my finger on it.

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Something I noticed about Antifa (Original Post) Initech Aug 2018 OP
Do members of antifa ever get arrested or otherwise harassed by the polic Cirque du So-What Aug 2018 #1
They get arrested in the Bay Area wonkwest Aug 2018 #19
Far more likely to get arrested Nevernose Aug 2018 #24
Interesting. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #2
I'm starting to think Gavin McInnes controls both groups. Initech Aug 2018 #6
I want to know who decided to call it "Antifa" renegade000 Aug 2018 #3
The Antifa has been around for decades. It started in Europe. Coventina Aug 2018 #7
Thanks for the clarification! renegade000 Aug 2018 #12
I see both sides. On the one hand, the Antifa want to make the point that Coventina Aug 2018 #15
There are no legitimate American chapters of Antifa. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #22
Another intriguing angle! Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #9
It's not a real group. It's an overaching label meant as a strawman. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #21
Isn't the point of "Antifa" that they are "Anti Fascist" (hence the name) ? oberliner Aug 2018 #4
But you'd think at some point they would let people know they are a peaceful group. Initech Aug 2018 #11
They aren't a peaceful group oberliner Aug 2018 #14
Exactly. There's no reasoning with Nazis. Coventina Aug 2018 #20
Maybe they aren't at our rallies because we aren't fascists? apnu Aug 2018 #5
The Antifa has been around since the 30s. It's not a George Soros plot or Coventina Aug 2018 #8
I have a couple Uncles who were Antifa... Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #10
My Grandfather, I'm proud to say! Coventina Aug 2018 #13
Right on. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #17
Antifa as an organization doesn't exist. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #16
I have no proof either way, but, we have to scrutinize everything these days. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #18
And we have the cards stacked against us right now. Initech Aug 2018 #23

Cirque du So-What

(25,949 posts)
1. Do members of antifa ever get arrested or otherwise harassed by the polic
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:35 PM
Aug 2018

From what I've learned in life, a group like antifa seems a natural target of policing actions.

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
19. They get arrested in the Bay Area
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:24 PM
Aug 2018

Quite often (mainly because they're quite often violent).

There was an incident, I want to say last year, where a community college professor went after a right-wing protester with a bike lock. Pretty sure he went to jail.

But, we're kind of used to them here. If there's a protest, there's Antifa. And where there's Antifa (at least here), there's violence.

Most of us run of the mill liberals and leftists are entirely tired of them. They dilute our message, because it gives the Right a reason to point and go, "See?! Told you leftists were violent!"

Buh.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
24. Far more likely to get arrested
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 04:34 PM
Aug 2018

Than Nazis or Klansmen, whether or not violence occurred.

Right now there’s a bill introduced in the House to make wearing a mask while “intimidating people exercising their free speech” a hate crime punishable by FIFTEEN YEARS.

So the lesson a year after Charlottesville? You can be as vile and racist as you want, and there will probably be no charges filed. There certainly won’t be any bills introduced to stop Nazis from having “events” where the Nazis are starting riots, burning (tiki) torches outside synagogues, blindly shooting into crowds, running people over.

But trying to stop those same Nazis? People don’t wear masks because they’re afraid of getting arrested, they wear them because they’re afraid the Nazis will kill them. If they do get arrested, Jeff Sessions has already demonstrated that he is willing to attempt to put hundreds of peaceful demonstrators in prison for decades if one asshole breaks a window.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
2. Interesting.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:36 PM
Aug 2018

naming a counter protest "group' after a philosophy, then populating it for edification and consumption. I certainly was surprised when some form of organized reaction happened, but, happy about it as well. I think force sometimes has to be met w force...or in the alternative big numbers.
Maybe they think "antifah" is going to get arrested, and they want some plausible deniability when they get a mug shot...in antifah clothes. Proud boys are known protest agitators.
That's my thinking...based on your thinking...posssibly....

Initech

(100,081 posts)
6. I'm starting to think Gavin McInnes controls both groups.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:43 PM
Aug 2018

And pits them against each other. The philosophy of the Proud Boys is that they are a group of macho, alpha male motherfuckers who are looking to get their fight on. In fact, in order to even join the Proud Boys you have to fight a member of Antifa or other protest group, and the more people you fight, the higher your rankings go. And I exposed a while back that "Antifa" members were actually paid Russian operatives on Twitter. There's something really fucked up in this mix here.

renegade000

(2,301 posts)
3. I want to know who decided to call it "Antifa"
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:39 PM
Aug 2018

Rather than the much more self-explanatory "Anti-Fascist"?

It's like whoever promotes "antifa" wants it to sound scary and foreign (like a terrorist group) and look that way too (with the masks).

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
7. The Antifa has been around for decades. It started in Europe.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:43 PM
Aug 2018

Antifa is just the shortened version of "anti-fascism" and became the standard over time.

renegade000

(2,301 posts)
12. Thanks for the clarification!
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:48 PM
Aug 2018

However, I still do think American chapters should think about "rebranding" a bit.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
15. I see both sides. On the one hand, the Antifa want to make the point that
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:53 PM
Aug 2018

Nazis and their toadies have not gone away, and this is the same, long fight since the 30s.

On the other, the RW media has been controlling the narrative on what the Antifa is, and is making it a dirty word.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,184 posts)
22. There are no legitimate American chapters of Antifa.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:08 PM
Aug 2018

It's a label. That's it.

Any type of website claiming they are an "official chapter" of Antifa should be viewed with the utmost suspicion.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,184 posts)
21. It's not a real group. It's an overaching label meant as a strawman.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:49 PM
Aug 2018

It simply lumps anyone who protests white supremacists and neo-nazis in with whatever strange fringe element also happens to show up the protest--for reasons not yet clear--wanting to sew chaos.

I wish people on the left would stop using the term. It's a false narrative.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Isn't the point of "Antifa" that they are "Anti Fascist" (hence the name) ?
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:40 PM
Aug 2018

I thought their whole thing was to protest/fight those fascist groups you mention.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
11. But you'd think at some point they would let people know they are a peaceful group.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:47 PM
Aug 2018

It seems all they do is show up to fight, then cause the right wing snowflakes to retreat and build up their numbers.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. They aren't a peaceful group
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:52 PM
Aug 2018

They are about eradicating fascism, which sometimes necessitates violence. The end goal being a more peaceful world free of racism, fascism, and the like (but engaging in violence to fight fascists may be necessary to get there).

apnu

(8,758 posts)
5. Maybe they aren't at our rallies because we aren't fascists?
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:40 PM
Aug 2018

They are "Anti-Fascist" so they probably know what is and is not fascism.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
8. The Antifa has been around since the 30s. It's not a George Soros plot or
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:45 PM
Aug 2018

anything the conspiracy theorists dream up.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,184 posts)
16. Antifa as an organization doesn't exist.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:54 PM
Aug 2018

Basically you have people who might naturally show up to peacefully protest or counter protest white supremacists or neo-Nazis because of common sense and decency.

And then every once in a while some strange people dressed in black and wearing face masks will show up to these protests and for whatever reason seem more interested in creating chaos and provoking a situation. It’s extremely weird and out of the blue.

What the right has done—somewhat successfully in certain circles—is somehow to combine these two disparate groups and label them “Antifa”, and basically turn them into some shadowy terrorist group.

As if it’s a real group or organization.

It’s not.

There’s no real, legitimate group called Antifa. It’s a fictitious narrative meant to demonize left leaning protesters and create undeserving sympathy for white nationalists.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
18. I have no proof either way, but, we have to scrutinize everything these days.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:07 PM
Aug 2018

When youre being lied to 24/7...you DON"T don it at your peril. I think we know now, dt wants us to be in peril. He has loans to pay and stuff to hide.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
23. And we have the cards stacked against us right now.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:20 PM
Aug 2018

I'm of the point where I think everything is suspect what Trump and his goons and supporters are doing to us. They want us dead, it's that intense. I don't think there's a whole lot that's legitimate about what's going on right now. Question everything.

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