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Arkansas Granny

(31,534 posts)
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:02 AM Aug 2018

So, what's up with Hope Hicks?


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Seth Abramson

@SethAbramson
*WITNESS TAMPERING IN 5 STEPS*

1. Trump knows Hicks is a witness in a federal case.
2. He's been told he mustn't speak to her.
3. His chief topic in public and private is the Russia probe.
4. Hicks is on a plane with Trump right now.
5. Trump is tampering with a federal witness.

3:37 PM - Aug 4, 2018
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So, what's up with Hope Hicks? (Original Post) Arkansas Granny Aug 2018 OP
I hope she's up to 5 to 10 in Danbury. dem4decades Aug 2018 #1
Wife #4 Roy Rolling Aug 2018 #31
they came down hard on Manafort for that. rurallib Aug 2018 #2
Oh, a new wrinkle in obstruction by Old Yeller. Hugin Aug 2018 #3
! Kali Aug 2018 #28
They have yet to successfully come down on the Cretin for anything... Guilded Lilly Aug 2018 #4
This OP just isn't true, so why spread it? Jersey Devil Aug 2018 #5
Guess we need to talk to Manafort about that, huh? pazzyanne Aug 2018 #7
Manafort encouraged the witnesses to lie Jersey Devil Aug 2018 #8
you seem very concerned ... stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #10
Oh please, what rubbish Jersey Devil Aug 2018 #12
lol did you get that off of face book ? stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #11
No, I got it out of 40+ years of legal defense tactics Jersey Devil Aug 2018 #13
True. No prohibition against talking to witnesses. His lawyers may have told him not to talk to her Pepsidog Aug 2018 #18
Thank you for trying to keep us informed Pluvious Aug 2018 #21
Jersey seems to be 1000 time more informed on this topic than you do. nt USALiberal Aug 2018 #25
lol the op is a question ..So, what's up with Hope Hicks? stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #36
I don't know the law, however, we are talking about lil'don MagickMuffin Aug 2018 #17
the op is a question , how can a question be not true ? stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #24
You raise a good point about having contact with a witness. Arkansas Granny Aug 2018 #32
Nobody steams his pants like Hope does. MineralMan Aug 2018 #6
That was my thought radical noodle Aug 2018 #23
Conjugal Visit? louis c Aug 2018 #9
Wasn't she on AF1 recently? ananda Aug 2018 #14
I can see what's in it for him - but I seriously can't see what's in it for Hope Hicks. rainin Aug 2018 #15
For some unfathomable reason, she is loyal to Ivanka and Cheeto FakeNoose Aug 2018 #34
LOFL uponit7771 Aug 2018 #39
Horny... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #16
so, will they both heaven05 Aug 2018 #19
18 US Code Section 1512(b) Mr. Ected Aug 2018 #20
We will never know if they did . Hicks is too indoctrinated in Autumn Aug 2018 #22
However, she did admit to those white lies Rorey Aug 2018 #27
So it is a very big problem SCVDem Aug 2018 #26
Great point NT Rorey Aug 2018 #29
None of this really matters PunksMom Aug 2018 #30
His response: Yeah, so what'r YOU gonna do about it? Hehehehe. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #33
money money money struggle4progress Aug 2018 #35
Dope thinks he can rope a Hope Blue Owl Aug 2018 #37
The Trump Tower meeting is in the news. colorado_ufo Aug 2018 #38

Hugin

(33,222 posts)
3. Oh, a new wrinkle in obstruction by Old Yeller.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:13 AM
Aug 2018

Witness tampering! Of course, the Yellow Slobmarine will claim he invented it...

I'm sure when asked, he will claim he was getting her to steam his pants as only she is able.

I hope they keep it up, the legal fees are breaking the RNC and the NRA.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
4. They have yet to successfully come down on the Cretin for anything...
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:30 AM
Aug 2018

From oafish, crass behavior, mocking disabled persons, abusing women, racist bullshit, elitist arrogance, global stupidity to blatant treason, open corruption and pathological lying that promotes violence.

If and when it comes down on him, I want his humiliation to be very public, very long lasting and
Loud.

Jersey Devil

(9,875 posts)
5. This OP just isn't true, so why spread it?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:03 AM
Aug 2018

While I agree it is stupid for Trump to talk to Hicks since she has spoken to prosecutors and leaves himself open to charges if he encourages her to lie, there is no prohibition that would prevent him from talking to her. No one has told Trump he "mustn't speak to her"?

Just talking to a federal witness is not "tampering". That would only occur if the witness was told to lie. Even an indicted defendant has the right to talk to witnesses as long as he doesn't try to get them to give false testimony.

Jersey Devil

(9,875 posts)
8. Manafort encouraged the witnesses to lie
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:13 AM
Aug 2018

He wasn't jailed just because he talked to them. He was sending them coded messages telling them how he wanted them to testify.

There is no prohibition against talking to witnesses. In fact, a defense team that does not would probably be open to charges of legal malpractice.

Jersey Devil

(9,875 posts)
13. No, I got it out of 40+ years of legal defense tactics
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:23 AM
Aug 2018

I've talked to hundreds of witnesses in criminal cases. You want to find out what witnesses will say in court before the trial. What law school did you go to?

Pluvious

(4,323 posts)
21. Thank you for trying to keep us informed
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:23 AM
Aug 2018

Many of us appreciate hearing facts on topics we're ignorant about.

These are challenging times for all of us.

Zeus be with you

MagickMuffin

(15,960 posts)
17. I don't know the law, however, we are talking about lil'don
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:04 AM
Aug 2018

And he doesn't care, Do you? (Sorry couldn't help myself!)


He uses his stooges to help himself, so, who knows what they discussed?



Arkansas Granny

(31,534 posts)
32. You raise a good point about having contact with a witness.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:59 AM
Aug 2018

I still think its worth reporting on these incidents, however. There have been so many provable lies that have been told and such a complicated trail of contacts that it makes me suspicious of all their actions.

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
23. That was my thought
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:29 AM
Aug 2018

They may have been trying to use her to calm him down. Apparently, (proven by this morning's tweet) it didn't work as well as they'd hoped.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
15. I can see what's in it for him - but I seriously can't see what's in it for Hope Hicks.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:29 AM
Aug 2018

The kids - I get it. He's their dad and they love him and think he's grand.

The republican leadership is scared of him.

His cabinet get to have super fun being important.

The low life crowd either see someone who finally tells their truth, that whites are under threat or they are profoundly ignorant. (Case in point, the veteran trump voter who deployed three times only to be deported. His wife said he believed when trump said he "loved veterans".)

His rich friends are digging the tax cuts, the deregulation, and the destruction of government agencies.

But Hope Hicks? Surely she can get a better lay.

FakeNoose

(32,786 posts)
34. For some unfathomable reason, she is loyal to Ivanka and Cheeto
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 12:06 PM
Aug 2018

She had several opportunities to leave the fold, but she stayed working for him until she had to leave. It was after she was questioned by Mueller, when she probably realized how much trouble she could be in. I don't think Cheeto's interest in her is sexual, he thinks of her as (almost) one of the family.



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
19. so, will they both
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:14 AM
Aug 2018

face consequence for this. That's my question and I think I know the answer but I'll wait...

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
20. 18 US Code Section 1512(b)
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:22 AM
Aug 2018

Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or
(3) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

If Hope Hicks and Trump discussed any elements of the ongoing investigation and Trump attempted to persuade certain testimony from her, and this can be proven in a court of law....Trumpie is in deep doo doo. That may be a lot of ifs, though. Unless she was wearing a wire.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
22. We will never know if they did . Hicks is too indoctrinated in
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:28 AM
Aug 2018

the Trump clan to ever consider wearing a wire.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
27. However, she did admit to those white lies
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:43 AM
Aug 2018

Maybe she made some sort of deal? I still doubt she'd wear a wire, but she might blab about what the conversation was with -45 on Air Force One.

Just some wishful thinking on my part.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
26. So it is a very big problem
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:41 AM
Aug 2018

for Bill Clinton, not holding office, to meet on the tarmac with AG Loretta Lynch, while there is nothing wrong with Trump and Hicks meeting in private while a real investigation is ongoing.

Who really drafted the adoption story?

PunksMom

(440 posts)
30. None of this really matters
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:46 AM
Aug 2018

...because no one EVER holds this guy accountable for ANYTHING...Legal or not! He truly does & says what he wants because he can. What a nice life huh?

colorado_ufo

(5,737 posts)
38. The Trump Tower meeting is in the news.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:00 PM
Aug 2018

Hope was on AF1 when the "Russian orphans alibi" was contrived. She assured him that no one would ever find out.

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