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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:28 AM Aug 2018

My campaign criminally conspired with russia to defraud America and we've lied about it!




He's just admitted that they did it, even though they've lied about it in the past. His only concern is that he doesn't want to appear to be "worried" about it.

His adding that "it's not a crime" doesn't legalize the activity.

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My campaign criminally conspired with russia to defraud America and we've lied about it! (Original Post) NightWatcher Aug 2018 OP
It's not everyday... SHRED Aug 2018 #1
Did I get him, is that it. Wait, nothing matters? NightWatcher Aug 2018 #2
The more Trump tweets,,,,,,, ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2018 #3
The russians just provide all that hacked material by coincidence even though I did ask them to hack BSdetect Aug 2018 #4
He thinks repeating his talking points lying about duforsure Aug 2018 #5
What? Wait What? peggysue2 Aug 2018 #6
Who didn't see this coming? colorado_ufo Aug 2018 #13
I seriously doubt Scarsdale Aug 2018 #7
He called Don Lemon & Lebron stupid and then tweets that Jarqui Aug 2018 #8
It's A Crime.. jaxind Aug 2018 #9
If it was legal than why the denial from Trump about knowing about it? Botany Aug 2018 #10
It was a meeting to get campaign assistance from a foreign power csziggy Aug 2018 #17
He is at war with media and truth - struggle for credibility bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #11
Hey Junior... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #12
A low IQ tweet The Liberal Lion Aug 2018 #14
Getting info is NOT a crime. That's not what he did. He COORDINATED info. That is a crime. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #15
Getting material of value from a foreign source IS a crime! csziggy Aug 2018 #18
No, your post title is wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #19
Getting material of value IS an in kind contribution if not paid for csziggy Aug 2018 #20
No, your post title said NOTHING about "in kind contribution". Foreignness has NOTHING to do with it Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #21
Nit picking - there is only so much that will fit into a post title csziggy Aug 2018 #22
I gave you title to fit that is correct & covered your other points. Again you are confused Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #23
Not one report of the Trump campaign says they paid for info csziggy Aug 2018 #24
They paid for it in efforts to lift/block sanctions, disrupt NATO, disrupt EU, disrupt NAFTA, etc. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #25
Pay for play is not part of the election process csziggy Aug 2018 #26
My point exactly. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #27
Trump admitting to obstruction: admitting he lied about meeting in his statement in July 2017 Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #16

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. Did I get him, is that it. Wait, nothing matters?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:42 AM
Aug 2018


He's now at least twice admitted to severe crimes and .........

crickets.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,808 posts)
3. The more Trump tweets,,,,,,,
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:43 AM
Aug 2018

The more evidence Robert Mueller has for INTENT to commit election fraud, CONSPIRACY, and other crimes.

Keep Digging and Tweeting, Donnie......The hole is getting deeper, and you are about to fall in it.

BSdetect

(8,999 posts)
4. The russians just provide all that hacked material by coincidence even though I did ask them to hack
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:52 AM
Aug 2018

publically during a rally.

Why does nobody believe me?

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
5. He thinks repeating his talking points lying about
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:55 AM
Aug 2018

He and his family committing treason will be enough to get them all off the hook. Con men always think they can once again con their way out of trouble , over , and over again. The kgop are in deep , deep trouble ,and know its over, and some will be charged and convicted of treason too. Its only a matter of when , and who exposes trumps as broke as a joke, is a habitual sex addict , and has repeatedly committed treason against this country first, putin or Mueller, or journalists. Karma is a bitch.

peggysue2

(10,843 posts)
6. What? Wait What?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:02 AM
Aug 2018

But . . . but I thought the meeting was about adoptions??



What does it say about a man willing to sell out his son to save his own ass?

It's Mueller Time!

colorado_ufo

(5,738 posts)
13. Who didn't see this coming?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:10 PM
Aug 2018

His family is coming to realize that no matter what, he will put himself first. There will be no pleasing him, no making him proud of them, all it will be is using them now and forever. The more they can do to distance themselves now from him and his policies, the better. It's time to try to save themselves.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
7. I seriously doubt
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:11 AM
Aug 2018

that any of the tRump "kids" make a move without consulting with their sugar daddy. They do not have real jobs, so depend on daddy for allowances.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
8. He called Don Lemon & Lebron stupid and then tweets that
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:40 AM
Aug 2018

He should be removed from office because he's too addled to do the job

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
9. It's A Crime..
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:58 AM
Aug 2018

It's a crime you doofus POtuS because your wonderful son Don Jr lied under oath that you didn't know about the meeting and it's probably going to all come out that you did! Plus getting oppo research on an opponent is not the same as getting it from the government of an adversarial country!!

Botany

(70,594 posts)
10. If it was legal than why the denial from Trump about knowing about it?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 12:15 PM
Aug 2018

Trump's tweet needs and edit.

This was a meeting to get STOLEN information on an opponent.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
17. It was a meeting to get campaign assistance from a foreign power
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aug 2018

That the information was stolen is the least of the Trumps problem since they didn't steal it. They were will and eager to accept material of value to the Trump campaign from foreign sources - that is a significant election violation.

bucolic_frolic

(43,342 posts)
11. He is at war with media and truth - struggle for credibility
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 12:41 PM
Aug 2018

He doesn't care about confessions. If he succeeds in destroying truth as fake news, it won't matter to him.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
15. Getting info is NOT a crime. That's not what he did. He COORDINATED info. That is a crime.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:22 PM
Aug 2018

It's a conspiracy against the USA to influence an election; a conspiracy with a foreign power, hence "collusion" to be short.

That is a crime.

Important point: Comrade Trump did it directly with known Russians.

What Hillary did is in no way equivalent. Two reasons: 1) She got a one-way flow of info, no coordination, no collusion. 2) Her campaign contracted with a law firm who contracted with a research firm who contracted with a UK research firm (Steele) who had some contacts. So (2) is much removed, definitely not direct. But the key point is (1) No coordination.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
18. Getting material of value from a foreign source IS a crime!
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 04:03 PM
Aug 2018

The information they got from the Russian sources, directly and indirectly had a monetary value so would be a contribution in kind to the Trump campaign. Getting contributions from foreign sources is illegal. Not declaring the receipt of contributions in kind is illegal. Covering up those crimes is illegal.

Hillary Clinton's campaign paid for data from a US company that provided background information on her opponent. And, I believe, her attorney listed that payment as a campaign expense. Therefore the Clinton campaign did not commit campaign crimes, in my opinion.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
19. No, your post title is wrong.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 05:49 PM
Aug 2018

Foreign sources of information is not illegal.

The foreign-ness does not make it illegal. Similarly that it is information is not illegal.

What IS illegal is not declaring received contributions (including "in kind" contributions).
Covering up is illegal.
Colluding is illegal -- shorthand for conspiring to influence an election.
Selling political favors (for election influence, in this case) is illegal.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
20. Getting material of value IS an in kind contribution if not paid for
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 05:57 PM
Aug 2018

Getting contributions from foreign sources is illegal. An in kind contribution from a foreign source is therefore illegal.

Therefore my post title was correct.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
21. No, your post title said NOTHING about "in kind contribution". Foreignness has NOTHING to do with it
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 05:58 PM
Aug 2018

The info Hillary Clinton's campaign (or the DNC) received and paid for and declared was (indirectly) from a foreign source. Direct or indirect doesn't matter. Foreign doesn't matter. Declaring does.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
22. Nit picking - there is only so much that will fit into a post title
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 06:33 PM
Aug 2018

The body of my message carried the full intent of my message.

"Declaring" is not the only thing that matters:

The Act and Commission regulations include a broad prohibition on foreign national activity in connection with elections in the United States. 52 U.S.C. § 30121 and generally, 11 CFR 110.20. In general, foreign nationals are prohibited from the following activities:

Making any contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or making any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any federal, state or local election in the United States;
Making any contribution or donation to any committee or organization of any national, state, district, or local political party (including donations to a party nonfederal account or office building account);
Making any disbursement for an electioneering communication;
Making any donation to a presidential inaugural committee.

Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to an FEC enforcement action, criminal prosecution, or both.

<SNIP>

The Act prohibits knowingly soliciting, accepting or receiving contributions or donations from foreign nationals. In this context, "knowingly" means that a person:

Has actual knowledge that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national;
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to believe that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are likely to be from a foreign national; or
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national.
https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
23. I gave you title to fit that is correct & covered your other points. Again you are confused
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 06:56 PM
Aug 2018

You keep confusing contributions with paid services.

It does not matter where the service comes from. Foreign has nothing to do with it. Payments for services must be accounted for in expenditures.

A service is not a contribution if it is paid for. This is very simple.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
24. Not one report of the Trump campaign says they paid for info
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 07:27 PM
Aug 2018

There are lots of reports of them being offered information, soliciting information, and benefiting by information provided by Russians and Russian supported groups. But the Trump campaign never PAID for any of that information.

Therefore it was a contribution in kind - material of value provided for the benefit of the campaign.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
25. They paid for it in efforts to lift/block sanctions, disrupt NATO, disrupt EU, disrupt NAFTA, etc.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 07:57 PM
Aug 2018

Absolutely "contribution in kind" or at least "quid pro quo".

Foreign has nothing to do with it.

Not reporting / not declaring has everything to do with it.
Coordinating (colluding) has everything to do with it.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
26. Pay for play is not part of the election process
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 08:06 PM
Aug 2018

Although it can be a benefit for all the parties involved.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
16. Trump admitting to obstruction: admitting he lied about meeting in his statement in July 2017
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:25 PM
Aug 2018

Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement in which Trump Jr. said that he and the Russian lawyer had “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children” when they met in June 2016, according to multiple people with knowledge of the deliberations. The statement, issued to the New York Times as it prepared an article, emphasized that the subject of the meeting was “not a campaign issue at the time.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html
(July 31, 2017)

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