I am being censored for saying Bernie should be ashamed - and by that I mean backing someone who is running such a deceitful campaign.

but there are many supporters who feel he is the cat's meow. There is a rule that no public figure of Democratic persuasion be called out...I mean bashed. I think the most effective way to let you displeasure known is to call his offices and let each staffer know that you see this. He has a twitter account and a FB account as well. Be direct.

We are awaiting more from Mueller.

Sometimes people get frustrated or excited and go over the line.

douche bags running. Does the seat lean Dem or Puke? I have cousins there but no contact with them.

Blanchard>Engler>Granholm>Snyder

Welcome to the fray.

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...as well as many others. Good for her!

Progressive groups:

EMILY’s List
MI List
Michigan Association for Justice
Progressive Women’s Alliance
Sierra Club Michigan Chapter
Planned Parenthood Advocates of Michigan

Unions (representing more than 1 million Michigan workers):

the Michigan AFL-CIO;
the United Auto Workers;
the Michigan Education Association;
the Michigan Construction and Building Trades Council;
the Michigan Regional Council of Carpenters and Millwrights;
the Michigan State Utility Workers Council;
the Michigan Pipe Trades Association;
the Michigan Joint Council of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union;
the Service Employees International Union
United Food and Commercial Workers Locals 876 and 951;
United Steelworkers;
Communications Workers of America District 4;
Iron Workers Local 25;
the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Joint Council #43;
the International Union of Painters and Allied Trades District Council 1M;
the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Michigan State Conference;
the Michigan Professional Fire Fighters Union;
AFSCME Council 25;
the Michigan Laborers District Council

Progressive leaders:

Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan
Former Governor Jim Blanchard
Wayne County Executive Warren Evans
Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy
Wayne County Sheriff Benny Napoleon
Oakland County Treasurer Andy Meisner
Oakland County Water Resources Commissioner Jim Nash
Oakland County Commissioner Helaine Zack
Oakland County Commissioner Gary McGillivray
Macomb County Executive Mark Hackel
Macomb County Sheriff Anthony Wickersham
Macomb County Prosecutor Eric Smith
U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand
U.S. Rep. Sander Levin (D-MI09) of Royal Oak
U.S. Rep. Dan Kildee (D-MI05) of Flint Township
U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence (D-MI14) of Southfield
U.S. Rep Debbie Dingell (D-MI12) of Dearborn
Former Michigan Attorney General Frank J. Kelley
Lansing Mayor Andy Schor
Senate Democratic Leader Jim Ananich (Flint)
Democratic Senate Floor Leader Morris Hood III (Detroit)
Senator Steve Bieda (Warren)
Senator Hoon-Yung Hopgood (Taylor)
Senator Vincent Gregory (Lathrup Village)
Senator Curtis Hertel (East Lansing)
Senator Rebekah Warren (Ann Arbor)
Democratic House Leader Sam Singh (East Lansing)
Democratic House Floor Leader Christine Greig (Farmington Hills)
Representative Jeremy Moss (Southfield)
Representative Erika Geiss (Taylor)
Representative Fred Durhal (Detroit)
Representative Sherry Gay-Dagnogo (Detroit)
Representative Stephanie Chang (Detroit)
Representative Leslie Love (Detroit)
Representative Robert Kosowski (Westland)
Representative Kevin Hertel (St. Clair Shores)
Representative Kristy Pagan (Canton)
Representative Robert Wittenberg (Huntington Woods)
Representative Patrick Green (Warren)
Representative Tim Greimel (Auburn Hills)
Representative Pam Faris (Clio)
Representative Phil Phelps (Flint)
Representative Tim Sneller (Burton)
Representative Donna Lasinski (D-Scio Township)
Representative Ronnie Peterson (Ypsilanti)
Representative Jon Hoadley (Kalamazoo)
Representative Tom Cochran (Mason)
Representative David LaGrand (Grand Rapids)
Representative Winnie Brinks (Grand Rapids)
Representative Terry Sabo (Muskegon)
Representative Sara Cambensy (Marquette)
Representative Scott Dianda (Calumet)
Oak Park Mayor Marian McClellan

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"establishment"? LOL

Mahalo for those endorsements of Gretchen Whitmer, George?

Gretchen has earned those endorsements!

Has any long established politician claimed they should be classified along with Planned Parenthood as part of the dreaded political establishment?

buzzwords are pissing me off.

She fought for labor in the early days of Snyder's first term where his approval was sky high and he could do no wrong. Labor remembers that. Time has proven her right.

Don't like arrogant liars, apply as you see fit.

Thanks WT

Yes, many of us are political junkies but do not read every single post, not on the Weekend.

Thus, I have no idea who El Sayeds it. A politician? Another public figure? An activist? Running for office? And where is s/he located?

Bernie Sanders recently campaigned for him.

and you more than likely know it isn't. DSA has won many races on the local level all across the country and its viability is due solely to Bernie. Our Revolution has won 50% of its races.

And guess what? These are all wins for our party! All Democrats!

...and last year only 39% won.

Not too shabby. Add in all the other progressive orgs like DSA, WFP, DFA, and wow there are a LOT of progressive wins!

Some of those groups you mention cross-endorse, but their endorsements are difficult to track.

But two that aren't difficult to track are Brand New Congress and Justice Democrats. Here's how they're faring this year for Primaries/Elections that have been conducted so far:

Brand New Congress - 14 endorsements, 3 wins and 11 losses
Justice Democrats - 50 endorsements, 13 wins and 37 losses

I suggest that Democrats should seek the help of real Democrats. Not the ones who use the description for their convenience.

He is not a Democrat, never been a Democrat (except, I've heard in Vermont primaries and then switched back), has actively campaigned against Democratic candidates, including hoping for someone to primary challenge Obama in 2012.

El-Sayed is running a fairly distant 3rd, in single digits is what I'm seeing.

He poses no threat in the primary election, so if someone happen to actually be a Whitmer supporter they wouldn't waste their time.

His biggest sin appears to be criticizing Whitmer for taking advantage of campaign law loopholes which allow rich folks to exceed donation limits when his wealthy supporters are doing the same thing. As far as the loophole goes, if one think it's something we should allow and/or use it to our advantage, that's cool. Don't ever mention Citizens United again. If one is getting upset over the rank hypocrisy, well I'll admit hypocrisy is bad but wtf how does anyone get that fired up about something almost every politician is guilty of?

If it's just repeating the sliming over using the title Dr., well that's just pathetic.

This faux outrage that is going on re MI Governor has nothing to do with support for Whitmer, it has nothing to do with winning the general election, it has nothing to do with anyone doing anything in this primary that is the least bit unusual or will make one bit of difference in the general.

It's just another vehicle for people whose life mission is to villanize progressives.

Both candidates are very liberal. The OR candidate got called out for going online and accusing the other Liberal Democratic candidate of committing a felony.

That is a fact. If you can’t see why that gets good Democrats stirred up then you are coming at this with a set agenda.

There is no anti-progressives bias in DU.

"Both are very liberal"

It's as funny here as it is when it's used to equate Davids and Welder.

But more to the point, bullshit yourself. El-Sayed never accused anyone of a felony. He used the term "money laundering" and a certain group started running around with their hair on fire claiming that he was referring to the federal criminal law BECAUSE they wanted to claim the progressive candidate was hurting the party (right in line with the two years of moaning about how Sanders hurts the party AND right in line with twenty years of moaning about how the left was to blame for 2000). Of course how he was actually using the term was in the same way many people used the term to describe funneling money off to state parties who can make unlimited donations who turn around and send it back to national campaigns. As I said before, not illegal but not a good image for a party trying to claim the high road on getting money out off politics.

That's it. That's the sin he committed. Of course because division is the goal of those claiming he accused Whitmer of committing a felony, they will keep doubling down. They will keep villainizing El-Sayed not because he hurts the party or because Whitmer needs that to win, because they don't really care about that.

You think he just used the term because he likes how the words sound? I'm sure he deleted the tweets for no reason, too.

‘He used the term money laundering’

Thank you for confirming what I said.

And despite your Fox News like use of the term ‘many people’, money laundering is Felony. Always. It has no other connotation. And who are these ‘many people’ who call legal fund raising money laundering?

So thank you for admitting I am correct.

Apparently one democrat accusing another of a felony is no big deal to you. But to me it is.

had done that, then he walked it back.

help elect Reality Based Democrats! to TAKE BACK the HOUSE! To Stop the Traitor in the White House from blowing up the fucking World

That's my LIFE MISSION.. dude flatters himself.

To talking about how we are better than Republicans than how bad progressives are supposedly hurting the party.

for the Democratic nominee in this race:

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/ocasio-cortez-and-sanders-work-to-elect-first-muslim-governor/

What does that say?

There was a reason why I never went over to JackassRaskals, thanks for reminding me.

That says there are people who will claim to be Democrats only, only if their candidates win because they're short-sighted to the extreme.

Or there are Republicans/Libertarians/Trumpsters/Whatever pretending to be Democrats who will hip and holler for the Dem candidate with the worst chances in the General.

Either option deserves our scorn.

Eyes on the Prize.

I have seen you often take sides, in fact you are doing that now by ignoring that saying a person laundered money into a campaign is not accusing the person of a crime.

I agree with your position on electing democrats in the fall, but what I see of her posts, Cha agrees with you too.

I have concerns about Whitmer's opponents in the primary, but I promise you, if one comes out the winner, that person is light years better than a republican, IMO.

The term "money laundering" was used everywhere from right wing rags like The Federalist to MSM outlets like the Washington Post to describe the victory fund arrangement. It wasn't of course, but that's how it was used.

If people had accused him of refighting the primary by stirring up the subject they would have been right but there's a far cry between that and slander. I think it was an asshole move myself. Unfortunately, saying that doesn't make him enough of a villain for some people.

Whitmer is the only one of them who can win. If I has any doubt about the primary I would share that concern.

smears against whitmer in the general will have been taken directly from her opponent in the primary?

We cannot afford this this tear.

....operate in a less that forthright manner. It's not just El-Sayed, it has been other candidates, too. Seems that candidates associated with certain supporters (most notably Our Revolution) have to unnecessarily go low, smear, and misrepresent.

First, he didn't simply criticize Whitmer for "taking advantage of loopholes", he characterized it, TWICE, as money laundering, ignoring what he did which was one step worse. As for his background and experience, he calls himself "M. D." (Medical Doctor). He is NOT an "M. D.", he's not even licensed to practice. And there are other things too, like a position he had under Mayor Duggan.

Then we have the infamous Texas Primary in the 22nd CD, where the ultimate easy winner was smeared by Our Revolution, who claimed Sri Kulkarni "changed his name" (Sri is short for Srinivas, just as Bernie is short for Bernard, Bob short for Robert, etc.), accused him of running for office in Massachusetts as well as Texas, and dug up an incident from more than 20 years earlier that had been expunged.

Finally, there's the accusation by Cortez that Joe Crowley was "mounting a third party candidacy" in the NY 14th District, not bothering to make herself aware of the fact that Crowley was endorsed by a minor party long before the June primary took place, and it seems she has yet to apologize to Crowley. She also has bashed Tammy Duckworth and Kirsten Gilibrand.

It seems like things like this happen all too often with candidates associated with Our Revolution and others.

It's not that El-Sayed poses a "threat" in the primary election, it's the fact that these incidents cause unnecessary damage to the Party and Democratic candidates who go on to the General Election. Are you not disturbed with El-Sayed claiming that his opponent committed a Federal crime, not once but twice?

Hmmm, 12 plus hours and no response to your magestic fact checking. I wonder why.

Thanks!!!

Before I start let me say one thing. The stuff with Shri was one of the most underhanded things I've ever seen and they should have hung that OR guy from Houston (I think) by his thumbs.

The doctor stuff is bull and has been dropped by everyone outside the echo chamber.

Crowley could have got off the ballot and didn't. If some OR candidate had done that you'd be screaming.

Anything else?

Oh, it's called a profession with deadlines. But heck that's alright, "You know why"

It should just read “me”.

American city.

Platform

Fight inequality in all forms
Raise the minimum wage to $15/hour
Implement state-level single-payer healthcare
Protect a woman’s right to choose and eliminate the gender pay gap
Never accept a dime of corporate money and get the money out of politics
Rebuild our crumbling roads and bridges
Make college tuition free for families earning under $150K & Reinvest in public education
End the profit motive in public education
Reform auto insurance to reduce costs while protecting people
Fund and implement universal Pre-Kindergarten
Amend civil rights legislation to enumerate protections for LGBTQ+ Michiganders
Reform our criminal justice system & tackle mass incarceration and police violence
Aggressive action on climate, environmental justice, and no new fossil fuel infrastructure
Legalize marijuana
Fight for clean water for all and shut down Enbridge’s Line 5
Tackle the opioid epidemic through comprehensive mental health reform
Stand with labor to end Right to Work and protect Prevailing Wage
Provide high-speed broadband internet to every community in Michigan and protect net neutrality
Support child and elderly care for Michiganders
End gerrymandering and legislative term limits and reinstate FOIA for public officials

Hope that helps you undretand his appeal to many Democrats.

When people are talking about democratic primaries where there is a contest, the key thing is to not call either person in the primary names at all. Also, if you won't support the winner if the winner was not your choice, you are better off not posting at all.

The rules are clear. Don't bash or name call democratic politicians. You can say that something one is claiming is untrue and back that up with facts, but don't call the person a liar or any other name.

My guess. You ran afoul of the site rules. Maybe someone on the other side of the argument was too glad to alert on you, but you set yourself up.

I had an incident a few weeks back where a person said something really aggressive toward me in a post. I responded with a calm reply, apparently the person wanted me to alert because a while after my post, I got private mail where the person called me a F'ing asshole, I responded calmly to the mail, I guess that was too much for the person because I didn't get any email after.

Don't get so upset that you blow up. I have done that and got my posts hidden. That is the nature of the beast, if you go off, someone who may be upset with you will alert you and a jury will have to sort through it, but I can tell you, that if you clearly violated rules, your post will get removed.