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sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:10 PM Aug 2018

Bernie Sanders, Abdul El-Sayed draw 1,400 at Detroit rally

"I'm here not only because I support the very bold and progressive ideas of Abdul, but because I appreciate the kind of campaign that he is running," Bernie told the crowd of around 1,400 supporters Sunday afternoon.


https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/bernie_sanders_abdul_el-sayed.html





Alrighty then.

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Bernie Sanders, Abdul El-Sayed draw 1,400 at Detroit rally (Original Post) sheshe2 Aug 2018 OP
WTF murielm99 Aug 2018 #1
:) sheshe2 Aug 2018 #2
Of course he appreciates the kind of campaign that he is running. betsuni Aug 2018 #3
:) sheshe2 Aug 2018 #5
and they love u back... msongs Aug 2018 #14
Hey! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #17
Familiarity can be very comforting. nt brer cat Aug 2018 #8
Familiararity. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #21
He appreciates the kind of campaign he is running? George II Aug 2018 #4
Perhaps he never had a chance to read it. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #6
I think your right Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #9
Thanks sheshe2 Aug 2018 #15
I already did! nt erinlough Aug 2018 #31
That's what many of the people I spoke with during phonebanking said Ninsianna Aug 2018 #41
Nah, coded language. joshcryer Aug 2018 #34
Yep. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #51
actually heaven05 Aug 2018 #55
There is an interesting twitter thread fom a reporter who was at the rally. lapucelle Aug 2018 #7
Here's another photo oberliner Aug 2018 #12
Care to address something other than crowd size? sheshe2 Aug 2018 #19
When Bernie said he liked the way Adbul was running his campaign, I don't think that's what he meant oberliner Aug 2018 #23
I can't agree with what you said. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #27
Bernie campaigned for and with Hillary Clinton after she won the nomination oberliner Aug 2018 #29
No. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #30
That's a silly point to make. He stayed in the race, then conceded and endorsed Clinton. JCanete Aug 2018 #40
not really heaven05 Aug 2018 #56
The truth is what was responded to with a "no". He did infact endorse Clinton AND his JCanete Aug 2018 #74
and just like heaven05 Aug 2018 #75
"Stayed in the race" ehrnst Aug 2018 #70
That's right.. at least we're not trying to Cha Aug 2018 #43
Yes, he did oberliner Aug 2018 #65
Perhaps you forgot that she secured the nomination on June 27, 2016. ehrnst Aug 2018 #47
Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary Clinton (July 12, 2016) oberliner Aug 2018 #66
July 12 is **weeks** after June 27, not on July 12. ehrnst Aug 2018 #67
Yes, that's when he endorsed Hillary and started campaigning for her oberliner Aug 2018 #69
Weeks after she secured the nomination, and not when she did. ehrnst Aug 2018 #71
From the September 30, 2016 story that was cited. lapucelle Aug 2018 #83
Well, he had a book to write, and a 501(c)(4) to start. ehrnst Aug 2018 #84
To be fair, on September 30, he was "talking a lot" lapucelle Aug 2018 #85
+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #86
true heaven05 Aug 2018 #54
"Democrats must unify and stay strong " sheshe2 Aug 2018 #62
That is a large ballroom at Cobo hall, Ninsianna Aug 2018 #42
Yeah, look at the twitter thread. MaryELease Aug 2018 #13
You didn't link to the reporter's twitter thread or to the news story. lapucelle Aug 2018 #16
Linda Sarsour has No Room to ever talk Cha Aug 2018 #44
Sarsour is not always a voice of wisdom. lapucelle Aug 2018 #76
Abdul Sayed is toast heaven05 Aug 2018 #57
Whether it was a crowd of 2,500 or 1,400 lapucelle Aug 2018 #63
++++ this nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #64
It seems to me that Lawler is being accused of reporting inaccurate news. lapucelle Aug 2018 #61
That's...illuminating mcar Aug 2018 #10
I am shocked mcar. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #11
The reporter who covered the rally said that empty seats were removed. lapucelle Aug 2018 #18
Hmmmmm sheshe2 Aug 2018 #20
That's 'politics as usual' in campaigns. Not surprised that a candidate would ehrnst Aug 2018 #48
i love how the size of the crowd is a talking point, and not what anyone Takket Aug 2018 #22
Other than the fact BS fully endorses Abdul... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #24
i don't know? did he? Takket Aug 2018 #26
Nope. MaryELease Aug 2018 #32
Well Mary sheshe2 Aug 2018 #37
yep an on and on it goes heaven05 Aug 2018 #59
:) sheshe2 Aug 2018 #79
Were you there? Ninsianna Aug 2018 #46
Abdul Sayed is toast nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #58
Image is everything. joshcryer Aug 2018 #36
The headline in the OP is the headline from the cited news story. lapucelle Aug 2018 #25
BS ".. but because I appreciate the kind of campaign that he is running," Cha Aug 2018 #45
That actually makes sense, I guess radical noodle Aug 2018 #28
... SunSeeker Aug 2018 #38
,,, lapucelle Aug 2018 #39
Looks like the place was jam packed! SkyDancer Aug 2018 #33
Well, yes, after they removed the 1000+ empty seats. ehrnst Aug 2018 #49
And that seems to be called into question SkyDancer Aug 2018 #72
I'll trust the press over candidates and fans on what is and isn't happening at rallies, thanks. ehrnst Aug 2018 #73
I'll trust the figures from people signing up to vote SkyDancer Aug 2018 #77
Go Whitmire! WhiteTara Aug 2018 #35
bet he does heaven05 Aug 2018 #50
1400, eh? MineralMan Aug 2018 #52
Here is a great endorsement Gothmog Aug 2018 #53
Hm, didn't El-Sayed work for Duggan for a year and a half? George II Aug 2018 #60
Whitmer attacked for missing votes while on maternity and grieving dead mother. RandySF Aug 2018 #68
OMG. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #78
Rather interesting that Berin Iwlew post that from someone who posted it.... George II Aug 2018 #80
Another labor endorsement Gothmog Aug 2018 #81
Excellent endorsement! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #82

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. He appreciates the kind of campaign he is running?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:26 PM
Aug 2018

Someone should retweet this to him, accusing his front-running opponent of committing a Federal crime:

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
55. actually
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:27 AM
Aug 2018

this is classic trump projection and lies. Was taught well by his leader. He's toast in Michigan. He knows it. Flailing at the wind. Desperate.

sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
19. Care to address something other than crowd size?
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:49 PM
Aug 2018

My Op is about Bernie's full support. He likes the way Abdul is running his campaign. This after Abdul attacked Whitmer and accused her of a federal crime of money laundering.



Deleted and rewrote "Legal Money Laundering", when there is no such thing. Then deleted that as well.

You are very interested in crowd size, I assume you are equally supportive of the truth. Abdul did not tell the truth, he made shit up.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. When Bernie said he liked the way Adbul was running his campaign, I don't think that's what he meant
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:01 PM
Aug 2018

With respect to the tweets you mention, I thought they were pretty ugly.

My belief is that anything can happen in this race, and I would not be surprised if there was an upset.

I hope that when the primary is over that all the candidates can rally behind the winner and work together to defeat whoever wins on the Republican side.

sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
27. I can't agree with what you said.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:28 PM
Aug 2018

BS gave a full endorsement. No qualifiers. No comment on HIS candidate accusing another candidate who happens to be the front runner of a federal crime, not once but twice.


I hope that when the primary is over that all the candidates can rally behind the winner and work together to defeat whoever wins on the Republican side.


Lol...just like last time when they sat it out and refused to vote...or just voted green. They gave us trump.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
29. Bernie campaigned for and with Hillary Clinton after she won the nomination
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:43 PM
Aug 2018


I would expect all the Democrats in this primary to rally behind the winner in the end and work together to try to defeat the Republican, as Bernie did.

Let's focus on the fact that there is so much enthusiasm behind Democratic party candidates in Michigan and there is a very good chance that Michigan's next governor will be a Democrat!
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
40. That's a silly point to make. He stayed in the race, then conceded and endorsed Clinton.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 03:28 AM
Aug 2018


Ultimately that IS what happened. Why the nonsense?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
74. The truth is what was responded to with a "no". He did infact endorse Clinton AND his
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:47 PM
Aug 2018

voters did infact vote for her. So again, why the bullshit.
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
75. and just like
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 02:34 PM
Aug 2018

that I think we all know why that's bullshit. But you are entitled to your own bullshit. have a good one

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
70. "Stayed in the race"
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 11:07 AM
Aug 2018

Not a silly point at all. In fact it's very relevant, after someone else has secured the nomination.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
65. Yes, he did
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:54 AM
Aug 2018
Bernie Sanders to step up campaign schedule for Hillary Clinton

Sen. Bernie Sanders is about to start tearing up the campaign trail.

The Vermont independent will campaign for Hillary Clinton in the battleground states of Iowa and Minnesota on Monday and Tuesday, and appearances elsewhere are in the works.

“He’s talking about traveling all over the country to help Secretary Clinton," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said Friday, adding that Sanders also will help other candidates and discuss ballot issues he cares about.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/09/30/bernie-sanders-step-up-campaign-schedule-hillary-clinton/91342564/
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
66. Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary Clinton (July 12, 2016)
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:56 AM
Aug 2018
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders formally declared an end to their political rivalry Tuesday, joining forces to take on a shared enemy: Donald Trump.

"I have come here to make it as clear as possible why I am endorsing Hillary Clinton and why she must become our next president," Sanders said at a joint rally here. "Secretary Clinton has won the Democratic nomination and I congratulate her for that."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
67. July 12 is **weeks** after June 27, not on July 12.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 11:01 AM
Aug 2018

Look at a calendar if you don't believe it...

One might just as well say that Trump admitted the meeting with Don Jr. was with Russian intelligence about election interference "after he was asked about it."

How long after is key.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
69. Yes, that's when he endorsed Hillary and started campaigning for her
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 11:04 AM
Aug 2018

Thus: he endorsed Hillary and campaigned for and with her. Which is what I had said.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
71. Weeks after she secured the nomination, and not when she did.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 11:09 AM
Aug 2018

When one's opponent has secured the nomination, and one refuses to concede, that is not support.

That a fact not lost on history.

Especially on DU.

One could say truthfully that DT "said the meeting attended by Don Jr. was about getting opposition information from Russian operatives after he was asked about it," but one would be leaving out a very important detail, wouldn't one?

lapucelle

(18,293 posts)
83. From the September 30, 2016 story that was cited.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 09:15 PM
Aug 2018
He’s talking about traveling all over the country to help Secretary Clinton," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said Friday, adding that Sanders also will help other candidates and discuss ballot issues he cares about.

Sanders spent most of August writing a book but has since campaigned for Clinton in Ohio (once) and New Hampshire (twice). An event Wednesday in the Granite State was the first joint appearance for Sanders and Clinton since he endorsed her in July. The event aimed to win more support for Clinton from millennials who supported Sanders in the primaries. Clinton is underperforming among young adults, a significant percentage of whom have turned to third-party candidates.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/09/30/bernie-sanders-step-up-campaign-schedule-hillary-clinton/91342564/
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
84. Well, he had a book to write, and a 501(c)(4) to start.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 07:35 AM
Aug 2018

Strike while the iron is hot, as they say. Cultivating one's brand is everything, as Tad Devine no doubt counseled.

And of course if "an external event," as his staff put it, were to occur in the weeks following the convention, I'm sure he felt he needed to be prepared to be the headliner, not the opening act.

Perhaps her fainting on 9/11 gave him new hope that he would replace the candidate that the Democratic voters had selected, and he held out a few weeks longer.

I think he was also having to deal with more than half the staff of his new 501(c)(4) quitting because Bernie had promised them there would be no Jeff Weaver involved, and the 501(c)(4) structure negated all they had worked towards in keeping dark money out of campaigns. I imagine that was certainly more important to him than the general election, now that he wasn't the focus of it.

But once he did decide it was time, he recited his delegate counts before "praising" Hillary as being better than Trump, reminding people that he was the true understudy, waiting in the wings, ready to take her place.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
54. true
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:21 AM
Aug 2018

people have a way of diverting distracting from the truth in this election season and willfully and purposefully creating confusion for people who don't delve into their INTENT. You are right, they are wrong They are trying to dilute what BS qualified as a full endorsement of his acolyte, Sayed to make that endorsement innocuous. Won't work people are smarter than them these days and know BS when they see, read and hear it. Democrats must unify and stay strong in spite of outliers in minor factions with minor leaders.

sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
62. "Democrats must unify and stay strong "
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:47 AM
Aug 2018

For the most part we Democrats are doing just that. This election is critical, heaven.

lapucelle

(18,293 posts)
16. You didn't link to the reporter's twitter thread or to the news story.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:39 PM
Aug 2018

Sarsour seems to be implying that this might be a case of fake news concerning crowd size.





lapucelle

(18,293 posts)
76. Sarsour is not always a voice of wisdom.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 02:44 PM
Aug 2018
“It is irresponsible to vote for a third-party candidate if you live in a swing state” — where Clinton and Trump are in close competition.

Sarsour said defeating Trump is the ultimate priority in this election. “If you don’t live in a swing state, vote for whoever you want, but if you are in a swing state, you have a responsibility not to put us under a fascist demagogue,” she said.



lapucelle

(18,293 posts)
63. Whether it was a crowd of 2,500 or 1,400
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:49 AM
Aug 2018

is pretty immaterial, but it's dangerous and desperate to accuse reporters of spreading false news.

I was at a the re-opening of John Brooks and Liuba Grechen Shirley's campaign office on Long Island yesterday. About 150 people were packed into a small office, and many stayed afterwards to canvass in 90+ heat.

Democrats County Executive Laura Curran, Town Supervisor Laura Gillen, and State Senator John Brooks were all there, along with Andrew Cuomo who formally endorsed Liuba in her bid to topple Peter King. The energy was electric.

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/cuomo-liuba-grechen-shirley-1.20306524

lapucelle

(18,293 posts)
61. It seems to me that Lawler is being accused of reporting inaccurate news.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:36 AM
Aug 2018

Accusing an on the scene local reporter of misrepresenting facts is not "dressing someone down".

Lawler live tweeted that there was an enthusiastic crowd of 1,400 people in a room set up for 2,500 and that empty seats were later removed. The objective report she wrote for MI Live noted the fact of the crowd size and focused on what each speaker said at the event.

It's a fact-based, objective news story, "alternative facts" and partisan accusations on twitter notwithstanding.

If Lawler is incorrect about the crowd estimates, I'm sure her editors will issue a correction.

https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/bernie_sanders_abdul_el-sayed.html

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
48. That's 'politics as usual' in campaigns. Not surprised that a candidate would
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 09:56 AM
Aug 2018

use that tactic to make supporters more convinced that the candidate is more popular than he/she is.

Interesting for a candidate that is running as a "not politics as usual" candiate.

Takket

(21,600 posts)
22. i love how the size of the crowd is a talking point, and not what anyone
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:57 PM
Aug 2018

at the rally actually said about anything

sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
24. Other than the fact BS fully endorses Abdul...
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:04 PM
Aug 2018

After he tweeted not once but twice how his opponent committed a federal crime, then had to delete the lies....

Takket
22. i love how the size of the crowd is a talking point, and not what anyone

at the rally actually said about anything


So, BS addressed those lies at the rally?

MaryELease

(17 posts)
32. Nope.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:17 AM
Aug 2018

Bernie made no mention of the other candidates, he simply talked about the positions and his support for the candidate of his own choosing.


You're drumming up nothing with tissue paper thin arguments.

You can just say that you support another candidate and would like to see BS and candidates affiliated with him castigated out.

sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
37. Well Mary
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:44 AM
Aug 2018
MaryELease
32. Nope.

Bernie made no mention of the other candidates, he simply talked about the positions and his support for the candidate of his own choosing.



Let me guess. Medicare for all. Billionaires sans millionaires now, as he is one. 15$ an hour. Same stump speech.

BTW, it was Abdul that made accusations about the candidate Whitmer. Accused her of a federal crime of money laundering. Deleted and then reposted one as vile saying ooops. I meant she did legal money laundering. Get out of town! NO SUCH THING and he had to delete again.

I never said BS said that. However he did say this and I have issues with his support of a man that accussed another candidate of a federal crime.

I appreciate the kind of campaign that he is running,"



You're drumming up nothing with tissue paper thin arguments.

You can just say that you support another candidate and would like to see BS and candidates affiliated with him castigated out.


Mary. You have been here for a week and coming in here swinging. You are accusatory saying I have tissue thin arguments when the tweets from Abdul are on full display and BS supports him anyway. I do NOT appreciate your comments or attitude. Back off.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
36. Image is everything.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:39 AM
Aug 2018

Quite literally every time these big events happen it's all about how the crowd numbers, it's never about the policies.

And mind you the crowd size numbers come from Sanders' side.

The key is that these places are carefully managed events. There are event managers who will see a big gap in the crowd and send out feelers for people to move around. In some images you can see every other seat occupied, to spread out the people, especially in the back.

Any many images (not this event) you will see an entire wall placed to cover up the vast empty of a room so that carefully managed photos can be made.

In this case it certainly wasn't filled to capacity and they put a media riser in the center of the room so you couldn't see empty seats beyond it.

lapucelle

(18,293 posts)
25. The headline in the OP is the headline from the cited news story.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:07 PM
Aug 2018

And what follows is a direct quote of what BS told the crowd:

"I'm here not only because I support the very bold and progressive ideas of Abdul, but because I appreciate the kind of campaign that he is running," Bernie told the crowd of around 1,400 supporters Sunday afternoon.

Cha

(297,441 posts)
45. BS ".. but because I appreciate the kind of campaign that he is running,"
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 05:27 AM
Aug 2018

Yeah, I just bet he does.. We Don't.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
49. Well, yes, after they removed the 1000+ empty seats.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:00 AM
Aug 2018

Thats a very common PR tactic. The house was set for 2500, and 1400 showed up.

Many clubs that are concert venues use a stage that they move forward based on tix sales, so the place is always "packed" no matter how few are sold.

Without the moving stage, removal of chairs is the other way to create the illusion of a "packed house."

 

SkyDancer

(561 posts)
72. And that seems to be called into question
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:10 PM
Aug 2018









How do you have 2,115 sign ups at a rally that only has 1400 supposedly? You don't.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
73. I'll trust the press over candidates and fans on what is and isn't happening at rallies, thanks.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:22 PM
Aug 2018

And I already saw those tweets here, thanks:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10967182

I think that attempts to smear reputable journalists at this point in time is not only unwise, but harmful to our democracy, no matter what side one is on.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
50. bet he does
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:08 AM
Aug 2018

He taught AOC and Sayed very well. His little ego is peaked!!!~ He's such a destroyer, obviously a destroyer. A big from me. The truth from the mouth of destroyers...damn he and trump have been openly confessing their culpability on trying to destroy our Party and democracy lately...they do not fear repercussions. I hope karma brings all of them to their knees.

George II

(67,782 posts)
80. Rather interesting that Berin Iwlew post that from someone who posted it....
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 04:53 PM
Aug 2018

....(i.e., "New Member" ) 20 minutes earlier, and isn't even a registered twitterer.

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